Why are Catholics are against Gay couples adopting?

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A male or female child needs male and female parents. That’s the ideal way to demonstrate to children the love of a man and a woman for each others and for their children. There’s no way for a heterosexual child growing up with same-sex parents to observe and absorb the normal psychology of family life.

Same-sex parents cannot deny that they are poor models for heterosexual love.
 
ThePuppyTurtle said:
Why is that? It’s never been explained to me. I don’t know to what extent “Gays cannot adopt” is the official catholic position but is there any reason to believe it hurts the child? Is there any evidence it turns them Gay? And what is to be said of those statements that we should kidnap the children of Gay couples? goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/08/bryan-fischer-continues-to-suggest-kidnapping-gay-peoples-kids-any-of-you-values-folks-care-to-say-something.html
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It is a crime against children. Children have rights. They have the right not to be subjected to such bizarre experiments.
 
fix said:
It is a crime against children. Children have rights. They have the right not to be subjected to such bizarre experiments.
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👍👍

I give you an award for being succinct and spot-on!

Throughout the upcoming pages of discussion, I hope this point does not get lost.
 
ThePuppyTurtle said:
Why is that? It’s never been explained to me. I don’t know to what extent “Gays cannot adopt” is the official catholic position but is there any reason to believe it hurts the child? Is there any evidence it turns them Gay? And what is to be said of those statements that we should kidnap the children of Gay couples? goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/08/bryan-fischer-continues-to-suggest-kidnapping-gay-peoples-kids-any-of-you-values-folks-care-to-say-something.html
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no one believes that we should kidnap to rescue children from Gay couples. There have been studies of children brought up by homosexuals and they do not support to view that they are just as good as a heterosexual couple raising children. Ideally, children do need both a male and female parent to be raised. Of course there are exceptions in single parents who do a great job but it is tough with one parent in the home. This is one of the incentives behind legalizing gay marriages.
 
The only reason I can think of for homosexuals to adopt children is because they want to have sex with them.

Before everyone gets all nuts on me look at the first man to adopt children in Florida. Then he went to jail for molesting them.

Besides that homosexuality is an abberation and children shouldn’t be turned over to abberrant people to rear.
 
Buck_Crosswhite said:
The only reason I can think of for homosexuals to adopt children is because they want to have sex with them.

Before everyone gets all nuts on me look at the first man to adopt children in Florida. Then he went to jail for molesting them.

Besides that homosexuality is an abberation and children shouldn’t be turned over to abberrant people to rear.
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…Uhh…

You mean ‘to raise’…right?

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IMO it appears homosexuals want to adopt children for all the wrong reasons.

They want to adopt because they want to be like everyone else. They want to adopt to satisfy their own loneliness. They want to adopt because they feel they have a right to it.

I find homosexuals who have the “urge” to be parents an oxymoron as well. The very nature of their sexual orientation shows that their urge is to be sterile.

But none of these reasons is putting the child first and for the good of the child. All the reasons seem to be geared toward the homosexual, which not only shows selfishness, but a lack of understanding of what it means to be a parent.
 
Because there are other couples out there that want to adopt,too, that have waited years to adopt. Some are infertile and not by lifestyle choice.
 
Buck_Crosswhite said:
The only reason I can think of for homosexuals to adopt children is because they want to have sex with them.

Before everyone gets all nuts on me look at the first man to adopt children in Florida. Then he went to jail for molesting them.

Besides that homosexuality is an abberation and children shouldn’t be turned over to abberrant people to rear.
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Surely, you don’t mean what you’re saying. I mean, there’s both heterosexual and homosexual people who molest children… it’s a problem that affects our society as a whole. I think the reason why homosexuals want to raise children could very well come from a mis-placed desire to be parents. It also may come from a desire to elevate sodomy to the same moral level as heterosexual sex by making it look like they can have children (both of these reasons, of course, are in grave moral error).

The reason why us Catholics oppose adopting children out to gay couples is because it would put children in a tremendously damaging spiritual and psychological situation. Parent’s have enormous influence over their children and what right do we have to endanger a child’s soul by allowing him/her to be raised in an environment that is so dysfunctional that natural law, itself, has by definition prevented children from being given to such a couple?
 
Fix gave the basic, succinct response. I’ll try to give a few more details.
ThePuppyTurtle said:
Why is that? It’s never been explained to me. I don’t know to what extent “Gays cannot adopt” is the official catholic position but is there any reason to believe it hurts the child?
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The Vatican’s Pontifical Council of the Family has said a few things about this:

Furthermore, the attempts to legalize the adoption of children by homosexual couples adds an element of great danger to all the previous ones.[44] “The bond between two men or two women cannot constitute a real family and much less can the right be attributed to that union to adopt children without a family”.
-Presentation on Family, Marriage, and “De Facto” Unions
  1. The task of deepening the meaning of the right to adoption is very topical, while always keeping in mind that “the best interests of the child shall be the paramount consideration”,47 without mixing this with other kinds of consideration, as noble as they may seem. In the light of this higher interest, the categorical rejection must be confirmed of the alleged right to adoption by “de facto unions”, and especially by same sex unions. In such cases, the child’s integral formation would be seriously jeopardized.
    -The Family and Human Rights
I think that for the purpose of your question, the last statement is the most critical. “The child’s integral formation would be seriously jeopardized.” As Catholics, we believe that homosexual unions are gravely disordered. If that is true, then it naturally follows that introducing young, impressionable children into that disordered environment will stunt their formation. Does that make sense?
ThePuppyTurtle said:
Is there any evidence it turns them Gay?
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That’s not the biggest concern and I have no idea if there is any evidence one way or the other. The concern is that their formation as human beings will be hampered. When you’re raised in a disordered environment as though it is normal, that effects your development.
ThePuppyTurtle said:
And what is to be said of those statements that we should kidnap the children of Gay couples? goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/08/bryan-fischer-continues-to-suggest-kidnapping-gay-peoples-kids-any-of-you-values-folks-care-to-say-something.html
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No one has addressed this question (presumably because the accusation is so far off the wall that it doesn’t really merit serious consideration). But just to alleviate all concern, no, we ought not to get into the business of kidnapping children. We cannot rectify one evil by committing another.
 
There’s a few ways you could look at it.

Some children are raised by one father or by one mother, and they turn out alright, don’t they? Of course, but there’s the essential other parent missing from their growth and development. A mother can not play father and a father can not play mother, it’s impossible and not in our nature. We can attempt it, but will never actually accomplish it.

It’s for that reason same-sex couples should not adopt children, and it’s why we must oppose it. Two men or women who adopt a child can not match the child’s emotional needs and more importantly, especially, not their spiritual needs. The child wouldn’t be raised in a truly Christian environment, and would be taught to live in opposition to truth.
 
Here is an article that covers the issue:

womenofgrace.com/blog/?p=13252

And here is Church teaching:

Excerpt from “Considerations Regarding Proposals To Give Legal Recognition To Unions Between Homosexual Persons”

“As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.”

Full document here: vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Peace,
Ed
 
MidnightSun12 said:
Surely, you don’t mean what you’re saying. I mean, there’s both heterosexual and homosexual people who molest children… it’s a problem that affects our society as a whole. I think the reason why homosexuals want to raise children could very well come from a mis-placed desire to be parents. It also may come from a desire to elevate sodomy to the same moral level as heterosexual sex by making it look like they can have children (both of these reasons, of course, are in grave moral error).

The reason why us Catholics oppose adopting children out to gay couples is because it would put children in a tremendously damaging spiritual and psychological situation. Parent’s have enormous influence over their children and what right do we have to endanger a child’s soul by allowing him/her to be raised in an environment that is so dysfunctional that natural law, itself, has by definition prevented children from being given to such a couple?
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We’re talking about homosexuals.
 
Before we can ask why Catholics are against gay couples adopting children, we should understand that most major religions, if not all, are against gay couples to begin with. It is stated very clearly in the scripture, Old Testament and New Testament, that homosexual acts are against God. Period end of discussion. This is what the answer is, if you’re truly looking for an answer.

Having cleared things out. I would like to add that I am homosexual. and I am asking people in this forum to reason with me, and not to give me a smart Alec response, because I am very sincere in what I have to say.

I sincerely tell you that I did not chose my sexuality. Which means, as early as I had feelings, even before I had any idea what homosexuality really meant, I felt attracted to men, and I never ever was attracted to women. It has absolutely nothing to do with what women did or failed to do that created my lack of attraction towards them. I am able to recognize that quite many women are very nice looking, but still that does not ignite an attraction to me. My feelings towards other men are TO ME as “natural” as are the feelings of other men towards women.

I was raised as a Catholic, and I struggled tremendously with my feelings, and I did not accept them at all. Now I want to live my life. Getting married to a woman is not an option for me for the reasons I stated above. I find it tremendously difficult to go through my life without love. I hope that you understand that part. What would you suggest?
 
robwar said:
There have been studies of children brought up by homosexuals and they do not support to view that they are just as good as a heterosexual couple raising children.
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Just a small note – quite a few studies have actually shown that homosexual parenting teams are just as good as heterosexual ones, which has led to the APA’s consensus view on the subject. However, none of those studies were very well-designed (because they couldn’t afford the needed money). The celebrated, controversial Regnerus study of this year showed the opposite conclusion, but it, too, suffered from statistically-induced challenges due to the extreme rarity of stable same-sex households in the 1990s.

The answers so far have been very good.

However, as User124 points out, there are foreseeable circumstances where having a child be adopted by a homosexual couple is the best option in a range of bad choices. To take an obvious example, if the choice is between letting a child starve to death and placing him in a same-sex household, the adoption is preferable. This does violence to the child, as the Vatican rightly observes, but not nearly as much violence as starvation!

Of course, in the context of the American adoption scene, that scenario is unusual, to say the least. There may be other, more common circumstances, where a same-sex adoption is preferable to the alternative evils, but this is a matter for prudential judgement in particular unfortunate cases. On the other hand, Zach Wahls, the subject of the speech User124 linked, was deliberately denied a father – this, needless to say, was a grave injustice, whether or not Mr. Wahls or User124 appreciates it.
 
Buck_Crosswhite said:
The only reason I can think of for homosexuals to adopt children is because they want to have sex with them.

Before everyone gets all nuts on me look at the first man to adopt children in Florida. Then he went to jail for molesting them.

Besides that homosexuality is an abberation and children shouldn’t be turned over to abberrant people to rear.
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I think that’s pretty outrageous to say. Sure some of them adopt kids to prey on them, but the same can be said of heterosexual couples or even single heterosexual people who adopt. The reality, I believe, is that homosexual couples want to adopt because it makes them feel like a real family (even though deep down they know they are not) and they do it as a way of legitimizing their “family”. If they have children of their own then they are just as good “parents” as real families. Homosexual adoptions is the result of a failed social experiment called same sex marriage
 
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