Why are Catholics so in love with their guns here on CAF?

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You would think that Catholics would place more faith in God, and less faith in guns. What is especially puzzling is that research has shown that more innocent people are killed by private ownership of guns than perpetrators of violent crime.
 
Robert_Sock said:
You would think that Catholics would place more faith in God, and less faith in guns. What is especially puzzling is that research has shown that more innocent people are killed by private ownership of guns than perpetrators of violent crime.
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I agree. Germany has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world and as a result, the number of deaths by guns in Germany is enormously lower than in the USA.
 
Nowhere in the bible does it say you cannot defend yourself or your family. While I don’t own a gun, I am a full supporter of the second amendment.
 
Tomdstone said:
I agree. Germany has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world and as a result, the number of deaths by guns in Germany is enormously lower than in the USA.
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Ask Chicago how their strict gun control laws are working.
 
The death of 20,000 people by suicide using a firearm is not a gun issue? If a gun was not available to these people do you think the figure would be the same?
 
:rolleyes:

Yes, I am a horrible person for legally owning a firearm in my home.

Sure…my weapons is worshipped more then my God. :mad:

I’m automatically a criminal who has less faith in God for daring to own a firearm then someone who doesn’t own a gun.

When will everyone just leave it well enough alone and realize that the vast majority of gun owners own them LEGALLY and have NO CRIMINAL RECORDS!

I could repute some of your research with some more research that would disagree.
 
october_baby said:
Nowhere in the bible does it say you cannot defend yourself or your family. While I don’t own a gun, I am a full supporter of the second amendment.
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But it’s very clear in th Bible that we ought to place our trust and faith in God alone.
 
Robert_Sock said:
But it’s very clear in th Bible that we ought to place our trust and faith in God alone.
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So when a large man whose weight is the equivalent of two of me breaks into my house in the middle of the night while my husband is at work…

I’m supposed to drop to my knees and pray to God that he will go away…and NOTHING ELSE?

Or do I include making a phone call to the cops who are, at best, 10 mins away from call time to them coming to my door?

Or do I grab my gun, pray and call the cops…completely neutralizing the problem entirely?

I’m serious! I’d like to know how my using a weapon to defend myself in my home with my one year old is seen as not trusting in God.

I suppose my being robbed, raped and killed while my daughter is left until the morning when dad comes home or when someone else calls the cops because she is screaming for hours from the commotion.

Yeah…it’s just God’s will for all of this to happen. :mad:
 
Is the suicide rate different between Canada and the USA, or the UK and the USA? - that might give an indication.
  • USA is 12.0 per 100thousand
  • Canada is 11.5/100,000 (same amount of gun ownership as USA)
  • UK 11/100,000 (far less guns)
  • Germany 9.9/100,000 (less gun ownership)
  • Japan 21.7/100,000 (do they even own guns?)
  • France 15/100,000 (must be the cooking!)
All from wiki.
 
Robert_Sock said:
You would think that Catholics would place more faith in God, and less faith in guns. What is especially puzzling is that research has shown that more innocent people are killed by private ownership of guns than perpetrators of violent crime.
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Because they are Catholics in the USA, the Catholics in other countries are not so, like most German Catholics hate guns.
 
Not only that, but the ‘statistic’ Robert presented only refers to fatalities. It therefore excludes crimes that are stopped without the death of anyone (which is the ideal Catholic goal)

A circumstance where the perpetrator is held at bay until the police arrive (the first ideal), or if the perpetrator flees the scene with a defensive firearm is presented.

The Clinton Dept of Justice found 1.5 million such defensive uses in 1997. That dwarfs the number of innocent fatalities.
 
I’m a gun owner myself, but I have to admit-when I see the level of anger and fury that people get into whenever anyone even starts a discussion about gun violence I wonder if people this angry should have such easy access to weapons. It also seems to me that the people who have the most vested interest in keeping the gun control arguments hot are the gun and ammo manufacturers-because they make a TON of money whenever the subject comes up.

If stronger background checks are passed tomorrow-it won’t affect my gun ownership one bit-if I can “only” by a 10 round magazine instead of a 30 round magazine-my life will be unchanged.

And don’t start with the slippery slope-it’s called a fallacy for a reason.
 
Brendan said:
Not only that, but the ‘statistic’ Robert presented only refers to fatalities. It therefore excludes crimes that are stopped without the death of anyone (which is the ideal Catholic goal)

A circumstance where the perpetrator is held at bay until the police arrive (the first ideal), or if the perpetrator flees the scene with a defensive firearm is presented.

The Clinton Dept of Justice found 1.5 million such defensive uses in 1997. That dwarfs the number of innocent fatalities.
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Exactly.

Most criminals who invade private homes or businesses immediately rethink their strategies when they are confronted with an owner with a gun. Most run in the opposite direction.

You certainly don’t see major gun battles erupting every day from perfectly law abiding citizens who are confronted by robbers.
These owners usually don’t fire their weapons but scare off the intruder.
 
Seeker1961 said:
I’m a gun owner myself, but I have to admit-when I see the level of anger and fury that people get into whenever anyone even starts a discussion about gun violence I wonder if people this angry should have such easy access to weapons. It also seems to me that the people who have the most vested interest in keeping the gun control arguments hot are the gun and ammo manufacturers-because they make a TON of money whenever the subject comes up.

If stronger background checks are passed tomorrow-it won’t affect my gun ownership one bit-if I can “only” by a 10 round magazine instead of a 30 round magazine-my life will be unchanged.

And don’t start with the slippery slope-it’s called a fallacy for a reason.
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Exactly it basic common sense that this should be done to identify unstable people so they don’t gain access to guns.
 
Kelfa28 said:
Exactly.

Most criminals who invade private homes or businesses immediately rethink their strategies when they are confronted with an owner with a gun. Most run in the opposite direction.

You certainly don’t see major gun battles erupting every day from perfectly law abiding citizens who are confronted by robbers.
These owners usually don’t fire their weapons but scare off the intruder.
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Oh, come on now! Get a guard dog instead.

And how many gun owners are killed each year in gun battles with their perpetrators,
 
Robert_Sock said:
Oh, come on now! Get a guard dog instead.

And how many gun owners are killed each year in gun battles with their perpetrators,
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I can’t own a dog.

I have very bad allergies to them. My allergist has told me, for my health, I could never own a dog.

I don’t understand your second question.

How many “gun battles” actually occur between a law abiding citizen and a criminal?

Very, very few. Maybe it’s because most of them don’t fire their gun but just scare the intruder away.
 
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