Why are Catholics so in love with their guns here on CAF?

[Ridgerunner]

If stronger background checks are passed tomorrow-it won’t affect my gun ownership one bit-if I can “only” by a 10 round magazine instead of a 30 round magazine-my life will be unchanged.

And don’t start with the slippery slope-it’s called a fallacy for a reason.

Wonder how many gang members in Chicago were required by anybody to pass background checks before they got their guns?

In a country where we import tons and tons of illegal drugs, does anybody really think limitation of guns in any form will affect criminals’ access to them at all?

Actually, for me at least, a 30 round magazine is a good thing to have, due to the kinds of varmints I encounter now and then. On the other hand, there’s really no demonstrable reason to ban them.

 

[PeterGStanley]

Wonder how many gang members in Chicago were required by anybody to pass background checks before they got their guns?

In a country where we import tons and tons of illegal drugs, does anybody really think limitation of guns in any form will affect criminals’ access to them at all?

Actually, for me at least, a 30 round magazine is a good thing to have, due to the kinds of varmints I encounter now and then. On the other hand, there’s really no demonstrable reason to ban them.

So we should just sit around and do nothing and say o well its going to happen anyway.Should I take that attitude with abortion and gay marriage and all the other issues?

 

[ajecphotos]

As i have said before, America has always had a love affair with guns. How do we protect ourselves in the UK? Cops dont carry them, only special squads. Guns are not tolerated in this country for being privately owned etc.

What about a total ban of guns in the USA? Complete ban. All guns destroyed. No legal ownership allowed, just like here in the UK. How would you cope in the USA!!! No guns!!! Yikes!! Just like American footballers without the padding and helmets!!! Take them away and you would have outrage!! Rugby is a mans sport where no protection is needed!! (Dives for cover!! lol)

 

[John_Q_Sinner]

You would think that Catholics would place more faith in God, and less faith in guns.

I’m interested to know how you equate owning a firearm with a lack of faith in God. Couldn’t a Catholic own a gun and at the same time put all their faith in God? Isn’t it God in the end who decides who lives and who dies?

 

[Ridgerunner]

So we should just sit around and do nothing and say o well its going to happen anyway.Should I take that attitude with abortion and gay marriage and all the other issues?

Abortion and homosexual “marriage” are intrinsic evils. Guns are not. There’s a difference.

 

[Classicist]

You would think that Catholics would place more faith in God, and less faith in guns. What is especially puzzling is that research has shown that more innocent people are killed by private ownership of guns than perpetrators of violent crime.

Friend, we’re all sinners. Guns do not automatically lead to violent crime. Take away guns to shoot, and someone will use a knife to stab; take away knives, and someone will use a chair to hit; take away chairs, and we won’t have anything to cut our meat with or to sit on.

I myself don’t own a gun, and I don’t care to. The liberty of men to protect their families, however, compels me to say “go for it”.

 

[Robert_Sock]

I’m interested to know how you equate owning a firearm with a lack of faith in God. Couldn’t a Catholic own a gun and at the same time put all their faith in God? Isn’t it God in the end who decides who lives and who dies?

If it’s God who decides who lives and who dies, no guns necessary.

 

[Armor_of_Light]

I like guns. Guns are fun! Shooting is a great hobby.

I’ve never owned a gun. There is absolutely no reason for me to own a gun. I venture a guess that 90% of guns are not ‘needed for protection’.

 

[John_Q_Sinner]

Oh, come on now! Get a guard dog instead.

And how many gun owners are killed each year in gun battles with their perpetrators,

Ah this is an interesting response. So it’s not a sign of little faith if one owns a guard dog, but it is when they own a gun? So guns are only a sign of little faith because they aren’t an approved deterrent in your eyes, Robert?

 

[George_Stegmeir]

Because they are Catholics in the USA, the Catholics in other countries are not so, like most German Catholics hate guns.

You do not know what you are talking about! Bavaria is the most solidly Catholic (about 90%) part of Germany. If they hate guns so much, why do they have more hunting there, and shooting clubs, plus more wild west re-enactment clubs than in any other part of Germany?
Please pay more attention to facts and not propaganda!

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

But it’s very clear in th Bible that we ought to place our trust and faith in God alone.

By this statement do you also mean that you do not take any medications, or ever treat with any doctors or dentists?

 

[Robert_Sock]

Ah this is interesting response. So it’s not a sign of little faith is one owns a guard dog, but it is when they own a gun? So guns are only a sign of little faith because they aren’t an approved deterrent in your eyes, Robert?

But guns kill innocent people.

 

[ajecphotos]

Live by the sword, die by the sword

 

[manualman]

I’m not a gun owner, but I admit to currently considering it. Turns out that a reasonably decent pump action, 12 gage 6 shot shotgun can be had for under $350. I had always thought they were rather more. I certainly don’t need it today, but I’m increasingly convinced we’re headed for societal collapse when people decide not to buy US bonds anymore and the government implodes (I’m pretty much there here in IL). It will be too late to buy one once chaos erupts.

The amazing thing is actually how LITTLE gun violence there is in America considering that there are about as many privately owned guns in this country as there are adults. Whether you believe that gun control legislation can be effective or not is really a moot point. Even if you could reasonably enforce a new gun ban, you’d never eliminate all those out there. It would just make the old NRA slogan true: “the only people with guns would be the criminals.”

I’m more convinced than previously that attempts to ban guns are a distraction from the actual issue. The REAL issue is that our society is unraveling as it increasingly abandons a moral code based on Natural Law and instead embraces relativistic philosophies that all too easily boil down to license and hedonism. Whether there are guns out there or not, our culture is descending into barbarism. Pretending that unenforceable gun bans will stop that only distracts us from doing the things that really CAN reverse the decline: Love your spouse and be faithful, raise your children to know right from wrong, work hard to earn your living, help those in need, forgive those who have wronged you in the past, accept the love of Christ and be remade by Grace. These are the things that can save us from barbarism, not words printed on official government paper.

 

[John_Q_Sinner]

But guns kill innocent people.

So do dogs; however, this isn’t the point. You determined gun ownership was a result of a lack of faith in God. Either prove your claim or admit you didn’t have a valid claim in the first place to attack the faith of gun owners.

 

[Joe_5859]

But it’s very clear in th Bible that we ought to place our trust and faith in God alone.

I am not a gun person and I doubt that I will ever own one, but this really isn’t a good argument to use.

One could use this same rationale to criticize people for doing anything practical to protect themselves or their family.

• “Why do you have insurance? It just shows you don’t put your full trust in God.”
• “Why do you lock your car doors and not leave your wallet in plain view on your front seat? It just shows you don’t put your full trust in God.”
• “Why do you look both ways before crossing the street? It just shows you don’t put your full trust in God.”

I’m sure one could make plenty of reasonable arguments as to the dangers of gun ownership. Let’s not imply that anyone who owns a gun has inferior faith in the Lord.

 

[RKO]

Anybody else noting a lot of anger in the pro-gun responses?

 

[Lochias]

Anybody else noting a lot of anger in the pro-gun responses?

I’m noting a lot of incredulity and annoyance with being bombarded with complete and utter nonsense. I think it’s better to say that there’s a lot of “pro-common sense” responses, instead.

 

[St_Francis]

Oh, come on now! Get a guard dog instead.

And how many gun owners are killed each year in gun battles with their perpetrators,

You do realize that guard dogs are more potentially dangerous than guns? I mean, guns do not sudednly get up and attack anyone on their own. Additionally, guard dogs require a LOT of care and continued training; it’s not like owning a toy poodle. Many guard dogs are really too big for smaller people to handle, require large amounts of serious exercise and time, necessitate additional insurance, etc.

Not really suitable for those who are most vulnerable!

 

[Brendan]

Oh, come on now! Get a guard dog instead.

And how many gun owners are killed each year in gun battles with their perpetrators,

Is it greater than the 1.5 million that the Clinton administration said defended themselves with guns.

What the DoJ noted was that the number of times that the gun was fired in these situations was less than 3%. In all the other times, the gun was leveraged in defense without a shot being fired.

As to the dog, how would that help against an angry ‘ex’, for example. The dog would know the person, and might even be glad to see them. Or can you bring your dog everywhere? Like an elderly person in a parking lot at night.