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Lycorth
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Those who hire criminals are also criminals, for they are aiding and abetting.
Why are many American Catholics prejudiced against Mexican Catholics?
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markomalley
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I would think there are four entities at fault here (in order of importance):
- The federal government, for not rigorously enforcing immigration and employment laws, thus creating an environment where employers think they can get away with hiring illegal aliens (thus creating a draw) and where illegal aliens can so easily cross our borders.
- Local governments (to include school districts) that either overtly or tacitly create ‘sanctuaries’ by refusing to assist in the enforcement of the law or who actually have policies against enforcing the law.
- Those employers who take advantage of the lack of interest on the part of the government and want to hire slave labor rather than hiring workers licitly, thus creating a demand for people to fill those slave labor slots
- The illegal aliens themselves, who, sneaking in the country know they are breaking our laws and do it anyway (and, by the way, that’s regardless of the country the alien comes from or regardless of the color of the alien’s skin…in case anybody asks)
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Renegade
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Thank you for using my quotes. I’m flattered that you see me as the enemy of those who invade the USA. I’m doing exactly what God has intended me to do. I see these invaders for what they are and I see those Latino groups for what they are trying to do. Trying to change the United States into another Latin American country and to force all other races in the US to bend to their will.
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Renegade
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Why don’t you attack those who call all Americans drug addicts and the reason that Latin American countries are filled with violence?
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Renegade
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The government also closes its eyes and ears to the will of the American people that overwhemingly demand that the illegal alien and their children be removed from the US.
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Renegade
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Does that include the Catholic Church when it gives sanctuary to these criminals?
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markomalley
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My two questions for you:
Do you despise all Latinos or just those who enter our country illegally? Can’t tell for sure based on your posts.
Do you only despise Latino illegals, or do you share the same disgust for Arabs, Koreans, Filipinos, and Europeans who flaunt our laws?
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NEWCATHOLICJEFF
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In our efforts to keep what is ours, we forget what our God tells us.
(Ex 22:21) “You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” Reminding the people of biblical Israel that they had been slaves in Egypt, the Hebrews are enjoined to treat aliens, foreigners and sojourners in their midst fairly and with respect.
(Lev 19:34) echoes and expands upon the Exodus teaching. "The alien who resides among you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt;
(Heb 13:2) From the New Testament Letter to the Hebrews we hear, “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing so some have entertained angels unawares.”
I see many “Christians” that are not really practicing being Christians. The Church fathers have spoken on numerous topics, but MANY “Christians” and most “Catholics” pick and choose what they will and will not support. They divide the Church at every turn… Does your wife or you use contraception? Do you use NFP with a selfish heart? Do you support Health Care for the poor? Do you support abortion? What about for Rape? What about for Incest, what if the girl is 12?
These are all concerns of our Heart…If you cannot support the Pope on all of these points, if you pick and choose and go smörgåsbord, are you a Good Catholic? Are you in Mortal sin if you vote for a Senator that votes pro-abortion? Are you in Mortal sin? If you vote against health care, and cause an illegal that is pregnant to lose a child, is that OK? Are they not the same? You played an active role? By what measure would we say you are innocent? Will that be the same measure that our Lord uses for you?
I do not think, or believe that God cares much about borders, or laws that are defined by man, even if obeying just laws for the benefit of all is required. “Just” laws need to be followed but I do not believe that when in Rome would apply if the Romans wanted you to participate in Abortions. Why would God want us to vote on laws that deny a child? Is that a just law? Where in the Bible does Christ say to deny a child needed care is acceptable? Would Christ have said…“If you cross the Jordan the Jordanians they have the right to deny your child an education, health care and due process. I know you need to go to Jordan to eat, but tough.”
It is amazing that the “Left” has it wrong on abortion, and the “Right” has it wrong on health care, at least for Children and I would argue for everyone. I personally believe we should just think of the Child… If we have to cut people off then we should at least cover children to the age of 18, although we will likely have to answer for denying our guests over 18.
I go back again to the people that a “Pro-Choice” …and what then for the child that is born in the back alley…because the mother is a “Criminal”, as one poster would say because of her status. What if the mother was raped by a Gringo and then was forced to have the child in mobile home park because of no health care? What if the she had the child in an emergency room and the child needed a cleft palate fixed? Would you say to the child as it grows…“I ensured you had a right to a disfigured life”.
In the end, each of us will someday need to answer for their choices before God. Having a child in Honduras not get a palate fixed that you have no direct control over my require a justification as to why you did not try to help Doctors without borders more, but actively voting to deny a child a mouth in our country may be hard to answer for, unless that law requires funding to kill other children.
I think that each person needs to look at these illegal children as we look on our own…then decide who gets what.
And on a more human and selfish side…I would much rather have Catholic Christians immigrating illegally to the US then legal “Other” religions.
(Ex 22:21) “You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” Reminding the people of biblical Israel that they had been slaves in Egypt, the Hebrews are enjoined to treat aliens, foreigners and sojourners in their midst fairly and with respect.
(Lev 19:34) echoes and expands upon the Exodus teaching. "The alien who resides among you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt;
(Heb 13:2) From the New Testament Letter to the Hebrews we hear, “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing so some have entertained angels unawares.”
I see many “Christians” that are not really practicing being Christians. The Church fathers have spoken on numerous topics, but MANY “Christians” and most “Catholics” pick and choose what they will and will not support. They divide the Church at every turn… Does your wife or you use contraception? Do you use NFP with a selfish heart? Do you support Health Care for the poor? Do you support abortion? What about for Rape? What about for Incest, what if the girl is 12?
These are all concerns of our Heart…If you cannot support the Pope on all of these points, if you pick and choose and go smörgåsbord, are you a Good Catholic? Are you in Mortal sin if you vote for a Senator that votes pro-abortion? Are you in Mortal sin? If you vote against health care, and cause an illegal that is pregnant to lose a child, is that OK? Are they not the same? You played an active role? By what measure would we say you are innocent? Will that be the same measure that our Lord uses for you?
I do not think, or believe that God cares much about borders, or laws that are defined by man, even if obeying just laws for the benefit of all is required. “Just” laws need to be followed but I do not believe that when in Rome would apply if the Romans wanted you to participate in Abortions. Why would God want us to vote on laws that deny a child? Is that a just law? Where in the Bible does Christ say to deny a child needed care is acceptable? Would Christ have said…“If you cross the Jordan the Jordanians they have the right to deny your child an education, health care and due process. I know you need to go to Jordan to eat, but tough.”
It is amazing that the “Left” has it wrong on abortion, and the “Right” has it wrong on health care, at least for Children and I would argue for everyone. I personally believe we should just think of the Child… If we have to cut people off then we should at least cover children to the age of 18, although we will likely have to answer for denying our guests over 18.
I go back again to the people that a “Pro-Choice” …and what then for the child that is born in the back alley…because the mother is a “Criminal”, as one poster would say because of her status. What if the mother was raped by a Gringo and then was forced to have the child in mobile home park because of no health care? What if the she had the child in an emergency room and the child needed a cleft palate fixed? Would you say to the child as it grows…“I ensured you had a right to a disfigured life”.
In the end, each of us will someday need to answer for their choices before God. Having a child in Honduras not get a palate fixed that you have no direct control over my require a justification as to why you did not try to help Doctors without borders more, but actively voting to deny a child a mouth in our country may be hard to answer for, unless that law requires funding to kill other children.
I think that each person needs to look at these illegal children as we look on our own…then decide who gets what.
And on a more human and selfish side…I would much rather have Catholic Christians immigrating illegally to the US then legal “Other” religions.
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peary
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I agree. It appears that a majority of American Catholics DO have issues with how to deal with illegal immigration but no issue with Mexicans who are Catholic.
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CatholicGuy22
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As a Mexican American all i can say is that im not surprised. Alot of people hate and not just on Mexicans.
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Lycorth
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Yes. The Church has no business sheltering criminals, unless those criminals are in the process of trying to mend their ways. Aiding and abetting illegal aliens in their acts of theft against the people of the United States is wrong. Catholic clergy should know better.
And they usually do - but when they are elsewhere. It’s only in America that we hear business about tolerating illegal immigration or that citizens should be forced to subsidize them.
What is funny is that Mexico has relatively strict laws about illegal immigration. In Mexico, illegal aliens can be arrested and deported. I don’t hear Catholics pitching a fit about Mexican laws against illegal immigration but plenty of carping about American laws regarding such. Usually, it’s because “American” is associated with “White” and it’s just knee-jerk racial criticism of Whites for doing what other races do.
First of all, these laws were given to the ancient Hebrews, not to the Catholic Church. If God wanted these to be binding upon us, He would have moved the Church to define such a doctrine. To the best of my knowledge, opposing illegal immigration is neither a venial nor a mortal sin according to Catholic teaching. We do not live under Torah law and it applies to us only when God moves the Church to perpetuate a particular teaching, such as the ban on homosexual behavior (which includes lesbianism, not just the male homosexuality clearly implied in the Torah) or the ban on taking the Lord’s name in vain.
Secondly, it is not “harassment” to oppose illegal immigration.
Again, to the best of my knowledge, it is not sinful in any way to oppose illegal immigration and we are under no special obligation to provide them with social services, especially as it is at the expense of fellow citizens.
Money does not grow on trees, and neither do man-hours. There is not an infinite store of either from which to draw just because someone walks into America and demands the same as what naturalized and legal citizens receive.
First of all, no one “opposes health care”. Both Republicans and Democrats want people to have health care - the difference is that each side wants to go about it in a different way. Believing in political lies is not being a good Catholic, so take a moment to examine the plank in your own eye before you point out the splinters in ours.
Secondly, we are not responsible for the pregnancies of illegal aliens. I am not responsible in any way, shape, or form if an illegal alien gets pregnant and has complications because of a lack of health care. The illegal alien is the one responsible, and the father of the baby - and the country from which they ran. They are responsible to do the same as we have done in America and build a nation that is capable of taking care of the needs of its citizens. It’s not wrong to go there and help them build such an infrastructure (unless they don’t want us to - another matter entirely), but it is wrong to presume that legal citizens are responsible for the behavior of those who should know better.
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Lycorth
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What you think about God’s opinions are irrelevant. God does not care what you think. It is sacrilege to claim to know the opinions of God, for His ways are not ours.
False premise. First of all, you do not know what Jesus would say. Jesus said many things that modern liberal humanitarians would shudder at. Jesus came to die on the Cross for us, not establish a welfare state. Institute a compassionate religion, yes - a welfare state, no.
Secondly, this premise is false because (since slinging Bible verses is the theme, here) of 2 Thessalonians 3:10, which reads:
*For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
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So, why would Jesus condone anyone walking into Jordan and demanding social services based on the fact that they walked into Jordan? Jesus never commanded anything of the sort nor condoned any such behavior.
What guests? If you mean to claim that illegal aliens are guests of their host nation, you’re out of your mind.
Gringo, huh? I’ve reported your post for actual racism, for using a derogatory word. Just because you’re (evidently) Mestizo doesn’t give you the right to use racial slurs against Whites. Modern society may think it’s OK, but I don’t. Watch your mouth.
Like I said above, it’s easy to find where the real racism is.
I know you think you have a hotline to God, but you do not. God will judge us, not you. I suppose I can’t expect a liberal to not be judgmental, though. Liberals are great at the prejudice they claim to despise.
Another leftist tactic - make everything about the children. No, the children of illegal aliens are not the same as my own and I am under no obligation to think so. Jesus wasn’t a Marxist who preached unlimited welfare, no matter what your Cuba teaches you.
I would not. Being Catholic doesn’t give anyone a free pass to steal from other people. Being Catholic does not give anyone the right to demand anything from anyone else. Illegal immigration is a demand on the part of the illegals that the host country gives to them the same rights and privileges that legal citizens receive, or else they will steal it by trickery.
Catholics should know better.
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NEWCATHOLICJEFF
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“Hahahaha”
I am a Gringo…it is not a slur to me…I am a Gringo…I will call myself as such.
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Lycorth
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Gringo is a slur whether you like it or not. You may have no self-respect and you can call yourself whatever you like, but the minute you use such language to refer to all Whites, you’ll be reported.
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NEWCATHOLICJEFF
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I am not really interested in what your Opinion is on what Gringo means to you…
Gringo is a slang Spanish and Portuguese word used in Spanish-speaking and Portuguese countries, principally in Latin America, to denote foreigners, often from the United States. The term can be applied to someone who is actually a foreigner, or it can denote a strong association or assimilation into foreign (particularly US) society and culture. The term is often encountered by people from the US traveling abroad to Spanish-speaking countries.[citation needed] The American Heritage Dictionary classifies gringo as “offensive slang,” “usually disparaging,” and “often disparaging.”[1] However, the term can also be used to simply identify a foreigner and does not always carry a negative connotation.
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This article is about the Spanish term “gringo”. For other uses of the word, see Gringo (disambiguation).
The word was used in Spain long before it crossed the Atlantic to denote foreign, non-native speakers of Spanish.[2] Although it has various anecdotal etymologies, and various connotative or interpretive meanings, its ultimate source appears to be “griego”, the Spanish word for “a Greek person” that serves as a colloquial shorthand for any foreign (non-Spanish) person.
You could consider Hot Dogs or Sugar canes racially derogatory…that is not the case with Gringo… all Americans…or foreigners are Gringo’s color has nothing to do with it.
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bksumm
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Totally in the interest of the truth I have to take issue with the claim that “I didn’t cross over the border, the border crossed over me.” According to my research I found that the majority of people living in Texas during the Texas Revolution were indeed Anglo. “By 1834, it was estimated that over 30,000 Anglos (short for anglophones, people whose first language is English) lived in Texas, compared to only 7,800 Mexican-born citizens.”
This quote comes from here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution and was based on this book: Manchaca, Martha (2001), Recovering History, Constructing Race: The Indian, Black, and White Roots of Mexican Americans, The Joe R. and Teresa Lozano Long Series in Latin American and Latino Art and Culture, Austin, TX: University of Texas Press, ISBN 0292752539
If you study demographic statistics of the state of Texas you will find that the percentage of Hispanic residents has ballooned in the past 50 years primarily due to immigration.
I don’t mean to disparage anyone in any way. I am married, 20 years, to wonderful woman from Panama. I speak Spanish, and have lived and traveled extensively in Latin America. My best friends are Mexican and I love Mexican culture. I am an honest person who is just trying to provide some historical perspective.
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bksumm
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FWIW…my family in Panama lovingly refer to me as the “Gringo” of the family. I take no offense at the term, and I have plenty of self-respect. I acknowledge that the word can be a slur but often it isn’t meant that way. We are all God’s children and I want to do my part to coexist.
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Lycorth
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My opinion is the correct one. “Gringo” is a derogatory term.
*grin·go (grhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifnghttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifghttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/omacr.gif)n. pl. grin·gos Offensive Slang Used as a **disparaging **term for a foreigner in Latin America, especially an American or English person.
[Spanish, foreign, foreign language, gibberish, probably alteration of griego, Greek, from Latin Graecus; see ** Greek*.]
**Word History: ** In Latin America the word gringo is an offensive term for a foreigner, particularly an American or English person. But the word existed in Spanish before this particular sense came into being. In fact, gringo may be an alteration of the word griego, the Spanish development of Latin Graecus, “Greek.” Griego first meant “Greek, Grecian,” as an adjective and “Greek, Greek language,” as a noun. The saying “It’s Greek to me” exists in Spanish, as it does in English, and helps us understand why griego came to mean “unintelligible language” and perhaps, by further extension of this idea, “stranger, that is, one who speaks a foreign language.” The altered form gringo lost touch with Greek but has the senses “unintelligible language,” “foreigner, especially an English person,” and in Latin America, “North American or Britisher.” Its first recorded English use (1849) is in John Woodhouse Audubon’s Western Journal: "We were hooted and shouted at as we passed through, and called ‘Gringoes.’"
Emphasis mine; source here.
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Art321
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I totally agree!FWIW…my family in Panama lovingly refer to me as the “Gringo” of the family. I take no offense at the term, and I have plenty of self-respect. I acknowledge that the word can be a slur but often it isn’t meant that way. We are all God’s children and I want to do my part to coexist.
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NEWCATHOLICJEFF
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Those doggone US Bishops Launched a web site against your desires…fooey…
justiceforimmigrants.org/
Should these Catholics know better too?
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