Why Are Most Miracles Associated with One Particular Church?

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Why is it that most of the miracles we see or events that can’t be explained today are associated with a particular Church? Is it that it has a good public relations group? Is my Lord telling us something like he tried to demonstrate to the Jews in his lifetime?
 
Why is it that most of the miracles we see or events that can’t be explained today are associated with a particular Church? Is it that it has a good public relations group? Is my Lord telling us something like he tried to demonstrate to the Jews in his lifetime?
Is this the Catholic church you speak of? Because you are throwing me off by saying is it a good public relationships group.
Be more specific and can you name some of the miracles you speak of?
 
Is this the Catholic church you speak of? Because you are throwing me off by saying is it a good public relationships group.
Be more specific and can you name some of the miracles you speak of?
Fatima, the numerous incorrupt bodies or portion’s of human corpses, Brown Scapulars in tombs that have not become dust, Eucharists that is a human heart (Lanciano Italy, etc…
 
Why is it that most of the miracles we see or events that can’t be explained today are associated with a particular Church? Is it that it has a good public relations group? Is my Lord telling us something like he tried to demonstrate to the Jews in his lifetime?
Very much so. The numerous miracles in the Catholic Church bear witness that She is indeed the Church of God. Many of them are verifiable right now to anyone who seeks the truth. Unfortunately, most people don’t sincerely seek the truth, and some of them even attribute these miracles to the work of the devil, which is exactly what the Pharisees did (Matthew 12:22-32).
 
Wildkit;:
Why is it that most of the miracles we see or events that can’t be explained today are associated with a particular Church?
The short and incomplete answer is that there is a large space for the term “miracle” in Catholic Christianity, a medium size space for the term “miracle” in Orthodox Christianity, and a small to non-existent space in Protestant Christianity for that term. Add to that the attitude towards private versus public revelation, and you’ve got the explanation as to why phenomenological identical data is explained and publicized in such radically different ways.

IOW, miracles aren’t the exclusive province of any church, but the use of the term is.

jonathon
 
The short and incomplete answer is that there is a large space for the term “miracle” in Catholic Christianity, a medium size space for the term “miracle” in Orthodox Christianity, and a small to non-existent space in Protestant Christianity for that term. Add to that the attitude towards private versus public revelation, and you’ve got the explanation as to why phenomenological identical data is explained and publicized in such radically different ways.

IOW, miracles aren’t the exclusive province of any church, but the use of the term is.

jonathon
I submit that is not the reason at all. The use of the term in the Protestant churches is small, because miraculous events are smaller there. There may certainly be healings. However, can you please point me to a Eucharistic miracle in any Protestant church? They simply don’t exist. It’s not that God doesn’t love these people. It’s that the Protestant churches cannot validly consecrate, and so God’s Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity is not present at the Protestant service.
 
Very much so. The numerous miracles in the Catholic Church bear witness that She is indeed the Church of God. Many of them are verifiable right now to anyone who seeks the truth. Unfortunately, most people don’t sincerely seek the truth, and some of them even attribute these miracles to the work of the devil, which is exactly what the Pharisees did (Matthew 12:22-32).
Yup! 👍

God Bless
 
MDK;:
I submit that is not the reason at all.
If there was no word for “eucharistic miracle” in your language, does that mean that they do not occur?

Or does it mean that you have to explore the terminology, to find out if the same pheonomological experience occurs, but is described, and termed differently?

jonathon
 
If there was no word for “eucharistic miracle” in your language, does that mean that they do not occur?

Or does it mean that you have to explore the terminology, to find out if the same pheonomological experience occurs, but is described, and termed differently?

jonathon
Please try to understand what was said, and what it means. For instance, many words and phrases were created by the Church to describe teachings and doctrine… Trinity, transubstantiation, consubstantiation, etc. These words were made to describe a reality. So, if these things occurred in your culture, or faith system, you would need words to describe them. The reality of what has happened in these events has a phrase Eucharistic Miracle. So the real meaning in what I wrote was that these events are simply not occurring in the Protestant churches. There is a very valid reason for that… These churches have no valid and licit authority to have the real and true Sacrament of the Eucharist.
 
Luke65;4781056:
Very much so. The numerous miracles in the Catholic Church bear witness that She is indeed the Church of God. Many of them are verifiable right now to anyone who seeks the truth. Unfortunately, most people don’t sincerely seek the truth, and some of them even attribute these miracles to the work of the devil, which is exactly what the Pharisees did (Matthew 12:22-32).
Yup! 👍

God Bless
A second yup! My wife and I were fortunate to see the relics of two Eucharistic Miracles ths past December in Italy. The miracle at Lanciano, and also at Cascia. We also saw the incorrupt body of St Rita. God is really and truly present in the Church built by Christ which is the Catholic Church.
 
Why is it that most of the miracles we see or events that can’t be explained today are associated with a particular Church? Is it that it has a good public relations group? Is my Lord telling us something like he tried to demonstrate to the Jews in his lifetime?
Fatima, the numerous incorrupt bodies or portion’s of human corpses, Brown Scapulars in tombs that have not become dust, Eucharists that is a human heart (Lanciano Italy, etc…
Yes, this is an appropriate question to us all to consider, not that you have not already considered this.

The Lord is certainly telling us something. For instance, the Eucharistic Miracles at Lanciano and Cascia were telling His Church something first and foremost. Those outside should listen as well, and consider what this means. To those who have been given much, much will be expected. For those who would like to read more, here is a good site (but there are others).
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/engl_mir.htm

In Lanciano, the priest had doubts about Christ’s real and true presensce in the Eucharist. God certainly showed him and all of us faithful in a big way. The Eucharist was visibly changed into flesh of a human heart, and blood type AB that is also found at other Eucharistic miracles and on the shroud of Turin.
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/english_pdf/Lanciano1.pdf
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/english_pdf/Lanciano2.pdf

In the miracle at Cascia, the priest treated the Eucharist with irreverence and carelessly put it in a prayer book to take to someone who was sick. God showed him and all of us faithful by staining the pages of the book where the Eucharist was with living blood.
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/english_pdf/Cascia.pdf
 
The short and incomplete answer is that there is a large space for the term “miracle” in Catholic Christianity, a medium size space for the term “miracle” in Orthodox Christianity, and a small to non-existent space in Protestant Christianity for that term. Add to that the attitude towards private versus public revelation, and you’ve got the explanation as to why phenomenological identical data is explained and publicized in such radically different ways.

IOW, miracles aren’t the exclusive province of any church, but the use of the term is.

jonathon
I must admit, I don’t use the term “phenomenological” in my everyday vocabulary and had to look that one up. While I am a simple person, I don’t know what the attitude about private versus public revelation really has anything to do with my question, but I think MDK set my mind straight. Whether big, medium or small use of the term miracle, one thing is consistent,……the unexplainable events that have a religious connotation all seem to be consistently focused on this one religion.

MDK’s remark about eucharistic miracles is a little off in that the phenomenon at, ……….er wait, there is no other example my Lord might be providing me,……those examples MDK gave has me just scratching my head. Oh, I can nit pick and say one is a big miracle, or medium miracle,…….but there is one thing that is in common. They are all Islamic,……no Judaic,…………Arian,….no, they are Catholic.

Interesting. 🙂
 
MDK;:
Please try to understand what was said, and what it means.
I do understand what was said. The problem is that you are claiming that it doesn’t occur, simply because the same term is not used.

If you were serious about studying “Eucharist Miracles” in Protestant Christianity, you would study them phenomenologically, and not on the basis of the presence or absence of a specific term.
There is a very valid reason for that…
Drawing a false conclusion, because of the use of faulty, incomplete, and inaccurate assumptions and data.

jonathon
 
I do understand what was said. The problem is that you are claiming that it doesn’t occur, simply because the same term is not used.

If you were serious about studying “Eucharist Miracles” in Protestant Christianity, you would study them phenomenologically, and not on the basis of the presence or absence of a specific term.

Drawing a false conclusion, because of the use of faulty, incomplete, and inaccurate assumptions and data.

jonathon
Perhaps you should read about the Eucharistic Miracles in a Catholic sense, since it only happens in our faith anyway. There is a whole section here at CAF about Eucharistic Miracles.
 
Wildkit;:
I don’t know what the attitude about private versus public revelation really has anything to do with my question,
It cuts to the core of difference between reporting of Miracles by Protestant Christianity, and of Catholic Christianity.
one thing is consistent,……the unexplainable events that have a religious connotation all seem to be consistently focused on this one religion.
Inasmuch as everything but the specific term was ignored, it isn’t surprising that an apparent consistency was observed.

Do a phenomenological study, and you’ll discover that that apparant consistency is the result of researcher bias, ignoring everything but that which will supported a predetermined conclusion.

jonathon
 
I submit that is not the reason at all. The use of the term in the Protestant churches is small, because miraculous events are smaller there. There may certainly be healings. However, can you please point me to a Eucharistic miracle in any Protestant church? They simply don’t exist. It’s not that God doesn’t love these people. It’s that the Protestant churches cannot validly consecrate, and so God’s Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity is not present at the Protestant service.

Catholics may need their faith supported - Protestants don’t. So there are fewer miracles of the “showy” sort. Instead, they have “moral” miracles, in the form of conversions: what kind of conversion is it, if mere argument can turn people Catholic ? This suggests that Protestant conversions are likelier to be genuine than those to Catholicism.​

As for Eucharistic miracles - what is the use of the Eucharist, without the grace it signifies ? Catholics are so concerned with that which signifies, that that they overlook the the grace signified - but without the grace signified, the Eucharist is not a sacrament but a cheap & showy “wonder”. The grace signified can had without the sacrament. That’s why Eucharistic miracles are not needed. A faith that needs a constant injection of miracles is a pretty weak faith. 😦

BTW, the question assumes that God is a Catholic. He’s not.
 
Why is it that most of the miracles we see or events that can’t be explained today are associated with a particular Church? Is it that it has a good public relations group? Is my Lord telling us something like he tried to demonstrate to the Jews in his lifetime?
I thought miracles were for the non believers to help them see, search, and find God. As far as Catholic church approved Visions or apparitions these give off a message to the world from the Catholic church from the small and humble. But the world even if God should raise a man from the dead, they still will refuse to belive in “Abba” Father.

Miracles although happen daily, just visit the baby delivery ward. Yet arbortions are beginning to catch up to the baby birth miracles daily. Sorry to bring in this perspective up on such a beautiful topic such as miracles. But Truth is Truth.
 
Yes, this is an appropriate question to us all to consider, not that you have not already considered this.

The Lord is certainly telling us something. For instance, the Eucharistic Miracles at Lanciano and Cascia were telling His Church something first and foremost. Those outside should listen as well, and consider what this means. To those who have been given much, much will be expected. For those who would like to read more, here is a good site (but there are others).
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/engl_mir.htm

In Lanciano, the priest had doubts about Christ’s real and true presensce in the Eucharist. God certainly showed him and all of us faithful in a big way. The Eucharist was visibly changed into flesh of a human heart, and blood type AB that is also found at other Eucharistic miracles and on the shroud of Turin.
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/english_pdf/Lanciano1.pdf
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/english_pdf/Lanciano2.pdf

In the miracle at Cascia, the priest treated the Eucharist with irreverence and carelessly put it in a prayer book to take to someone who was sick. God showed him and all of us faithful by staining the pages of the book where the Eucharist was with living blood.
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/english_pdf/Cascia.pdf

That last one especially is disgusting, like something out of a horror flick - “Stigmata”, perhaps. Its repellent character suggests that it is not genuine, because it is not numinous - just rather nasty. 😦 Exactly the same applies to the Lanciano thing, which is revolting, not numinous. A miracle, if genuine, should not seem like something from a horror film.​

 

That last one especially is disgusting, like something out of a horror flick - “Stigmata”, perhaps. Its repellent character suggests that it is not genuine, because it is not numinous - just rather nasty. 😦 Exactly the same applies to the Lanciano thing, which is revolting, not numinous. A miracle, if genuine, should not seem like something from a horror film.​

Interesting; have you viewed the miraculous vision of the blessed Virgin Mary of Guadalupe? Scientist, with today’s technology are still dumbfounded by this Catholic miracle. Make you famous if you can defy this miraculous vision and explain it away as not authentic from heaven. Other doctors have and many of them came away Catholic converts.
 

That last one especially is disgusting, like something out of a horror flick - “Stigmata”, perhaps. Its repellent character suggests that it is not genuine, because it is not numinous - just rather nasty. 😦 Exactly the same applies to the Lanciano thing, which is revolting, not numinous. A miracle, if genuine, should not seem like something from a horror film.​

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. (Isaiah 55:8)
 
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