Why Are Most Miracles Associated with One Particular Church?

[Wildkit]

That last one especially is disgusting, like something out of a horror flick - “Stigmata”, perhaps. Its repellent character suggests that it is not genuine, because it is not numinous - just rather nasty. Exactly the same applies to the Lanciano thing, which is revolting, not numinous. A miracle, if genuine, should not seem like something from a horror film.​

There is one other response that I have not seen yet as an answer why there is only one church/faith that is bathed and continually so with these miracles, but excuses and perspective not withstanding, asking one to examine what is in front of them is good for the soul(s).

Just like the chief priests and scribes in Jesus day, not everyone will believe the healing, the miracles performed by Christ during his ministry, the message he brought. Is today any different?

We all look for the support and rational for our beliefs, just like the chief priests and scribes during the ministry of Christ. Yet, Jn 20:29, “Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed”.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

That last one especially is disgusting, like something out of a horror flick - “Stigmata”, perhaps. Its repellent character suggests that it is not genuine, because it is not numinous - just rather nasty. Exactly the same applies to the Lanciano thing, which is revolting, not numinous. A miracle, if genuine, should not seem like something from a horror film.​

If you are spiritual immature you will never become Catholic.

 

[MDK]

Catholics may need their faith supported - Protestants don’t. So there are fewer miracles of the “showy” sort. Instead, they have “moral” miracles, in the form of conversions: what kind of conversion is it, if mere argument can turn people Catholic ? This suggests that Protestant conversions are likelier to be genuine than those to Catholicism.​

As for Eucharistic miracles - what is the use of the Eucharist, without the grace it signifies ? Catholics are so concerned with that which signifies, that that they overlook the the grace signified - but without the grace signified, the Eucharist is not a sacrament but a cheap & showy “wonder”. The grace signified can had without the sacrament. That’s why Eucharistic miracles are not needed. A faith that needs a constant injection of miracles is a pretty weak faith.

BTW, the question assumes that God is a Catholic. He’s not.

You are correct, but perhaps not as you intended. Catholics do need their faith supported, as it is supported and protected by God. You are correct in that Protestants don’t have their faith protected by God. God’s real and true presence is not found in Protestant Churches. His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity is found in the Catholic Church. As Christ told us, we eat His Body and drink His Blood.

As for conversions, the conversions to Protestantism could likely be genuine in the wrong direction.

For those of you unfortunate enough not to know what is in the Eucharist. Please understand that the Eucharist carries infinite value. It is Christ Himself whole and entire. There is nothing else that compares on earth. We must receive Him worthily and worship Him in the Eucharist. To Him, every knee must bend.

As to whether Eucharistic Miracles are needed or not, you have to discuss that with Christ. Christ is the One Who makes these happen. I thank God for His Eucharistic Presence, and for Eucharistic Miracles.

Christ is Head of the Catholic Church. I don’t know how you say He’s not Catholic. He’s not a member of our Church. We are a member of His Church. He is most assuredly Catholic, as the Head of the Catholic Church.

God bless all who love and respect God in the Eucharist.

 

[MDK]

If you are spiritual immature you will never become Catholic.

It’s even worse than that. Folks, I’m not even going to respond to that person’s post. It is so offensive to God to describe His Eucharistic Miracle like this, and to me is terribly disgusting and disturbing… It’s probably the most offensive thing I’ve heard from one who calls themselves Catholic. I do not recognize this person as a Catholic.

 

[MDK]

I do understand what was said. The problem is that you are claiming that it doesn’t occur, simply because the same term is not used.

No, you really don’t… again. I said they don’t occur… period. **If there is no valid Eucharist, there can be no Eucharistic Miracle! ** Because they don’t occur, Protestants do not use miracle or any other word to describe this phenomenon in their faith system.

If you were serious about studying “Eucharist Miracles” in Protestant Christianity, you would study them phenomenologically, and not on the basis of the presence or absence of a specific term.

Drawing a false conclusion, because of the use of faulty, incomplete, and inaccurate assumptions and data.

jonathon

How can you study something that doesn’t exist? Why do you assume that I haven’t checked this out? That’s kind of arrogant, or just a stab at being defensive.

If they exist, please provide some kind of proof. You can’t, because they simply don’t exist!

 

[MDK]

I thought miracles were for the non believers to help them see, search, and find God. As far as Catholic church approved Visions or apparitions these give off a message to the world from the Catholic church from the small and humble. But the world even if God should raise a man from the dead, they still will refuse to belive in “Abba” Father.

Miracles although happen daily, just visit the baby delivery ward. Yet arbortions are beginning to catch up to the baby birth miracles daily. Sorry to bring in this perspective up on such a beautiful topic such as miracles. But Truth is Truth.

The common “miracles” that occur to everyone in life should be appreciated. The miracle of childbirth happens to Catholics, Protestants, … Atheists.

The Eucharistic Miracles don’t happen where there is no valid Eucharist. That is a big part of this point. Christ brings His Eucharistic Presence to the Catholic Church (and Orthodox), however, not to the Lutheran church, nor the Methodist church, nor the Baptist church, etc. These Miracles certainly do make a point, and illustrate the truth of the Eucharist easily to see… still, He doesn’t hide His Eucharistic miracle from believers.

 

[jblake]

Gottle of Geer;:

That last one especially is disgusting, like something out of a horror flick

If you bothered paying attention, you’d discover that most religious art — it doesn’t matter what religion one is looking at — does look like something out of a horror movie. (Islam may be the major exception here, and that only because their religious art used to be based purely on abstract design and pattern.)

jonathon

 

[jblake]

MDK;:

How can you study something that doesn’t exist?

The sole basis to your claim that it does not exist, is based upon the presence or absence of a set of specific terms.

Why do you assume that I haven’t checked this out?

You would have found the phenomenological equivalent in Protestant Christianity.

jonathon

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

The common “miracles” that occur to everyone in life should be appreciated. The miracle of childbirth happens to Catholics, Protestants, … Atheists.

The Eucharistic Miracles don’t happen where there is no valid Eucharist. That is a big part of this point. Christ brings His Eucharistic Presence to the Catholic Church (and Orthodox), however, not to the Lutheran church, nor the Methodist church, nor the Baptist church, etc. These Miracles certainly do make a point, and illustrate the truth of the Eucharist easily to see… still, He doesn’t hide His Eucharistic miracle from believers.

Wow, I did not know this post was dealing specifically with the Eucharist? True this is a miracle, and to explain Jesus sacramentally present in the Eucharist is for those who have their wedding garment in order to sit at table with the Lord, and why this miraculous event is not for unbelievers to partake of, only when they can “discern” the body, blood of the Lord in the Eucharist less they be judged for the body and blood of the Lord. Will take on another thread.

 

[Cluny]

Miracles happen in Orthodox and other Eastern Churches all the time.

It’s just that few people in the West know about them.

 

[prodigal-sun]

Catholics may need their faith supported - Protestants don’t. So there are fewer miracles of the “showy” sort. Instead, they have “moral” miracles, in the form of conversions: what kind of conversion is it, if mere argument can turn people Catholic ? This suggests that Protestant conversions are likelier to be genuine than those to Catholicism.​

As for Eucharistic miracles - what is the use of the Eucharist, without the grace it signifies ? Catholics are so concerned with that which signifies, that that they overlook the the grace signified - but without the grace signified, the Eucharist is not a sacrament but a cheap & showy “wonder”. The grace signified can had without the sacrament. That’s why Eucharistic miracles are not needed. A faith that needs a constant injection of miracles is a pretty weak faith.

BTW, the question assumes that God is a Catholic. He’s not.

 

[MDK]

Wow, I did not know this post was dealing specifically with the Eucharist? True this is a miracle, and to explain Jesus sacramentally present in the Eucharist is for those who have their wedding garment in order to sit at table with the Lord, and why this miraculous event is not for unbelievers to partake of, only when they can “discern” the body, blood of the Lord in the Eucharist less they be judged for the body and blood of the Lord. Will take on another thread.

I didn’t know it was either. Common miracles were discussed as well, that can exist anywhere whether Catholic or not. The example of the Eucharist is at the heart of the OP, in that this is one essential difference between the Catholic Church, and Protestant churches. It shows a critical difference. The Protestant churches are not without some truth, and God loves the Protestants as well. However, in His Church, He is there Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. This modality of His Presence does not exist in Protestant churches. Eucharistic miracles, incorrupt bodies of saints, etc. happen in the Catholic Church. It’s worth noting and thinking about for all of us.

 

[MDK]

The sole basis to your claim that it does not exist, is based upon the presence or absence of a set of specific terms.

How is it that it’s been explained several times now, and in plain words, yet you still don’t see?

One more time… This phenomenon simply does not exist in the Protestant churches, no matter what the name or phrase.

You would have found the phenomenological equivalent in Protestant Christianity.

jonathon

Wrong again. There is not equivalency of the Catholic (or Orthodox) Eucharist in the Protestant church. There is no phenomenon like a Catholic Eucharistic Miracle in the Protestant church (regardless of what one may or may not call it). I notice that you haven’t provided any example here. Reason… it does not exist.

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This thread is closed.

Thanks to all who have participated.

God bless-

Rachel