Why are muslims so violent?

[VARC]

No matter where in the world you look, wherever muslims are gathered in great numbers (Middle East, eastern Europe, India, Indoneisia, Burma, Phillipines, southern Russia, western China) they are constantly engaged in violent conflicts with their neighbors. Why do members of this religion so often engage in violence with their neighbors? Will they ever change or will they will Islam always be intrinsically violent?

 

[swariffin]

You should ask Muhammad why he left a book with many undefined terms and left anybody to make any interpretations.

 

[cathopologist]

You should ask Muhammad why he left a book with many undefined terms and left anybody to make any interpretations.

Perhaps its Uthman who should be blamed. Afterall, he would not have been murdered and his lifeless body thrown onto a pile of dung had he not burnt all other copies of the Qu’ran. Muslims of his time accused him of tampering with the Qu’ran.

 

[dzheremi]

If Islam were not also an expansionist political ideology (in addition to being an extremely legalistic faith), it probably would not be so violent. Indeed, there have also been elements within it that have tried to promote a more mystical, less legalistic view over the years (Sufi movements and such), but they are of no value to the extremists that you are referring to.

It’s a sad situation, really. Islam is violent because the whole “conquering the world” part of it requires a lot of violence, and those that aren’t inclined towards violence are constantly reminded that fighting “in the cause of Allah” is a Muslim’s duty, so that the way of being the best Muslim you can be no longer revolves around your relationship to God, but your willingness to take up arms when the “prophet’s” example shows that you should. In fact, I’ve noticed that even with well-meaning Muslim posters here (not the wretched ideologues) the ebbs and flows of Islamic history have been discussed as being “times when no one cared about Islam” (e.g., the past) vs. “times when lots of people care about Islam” (e.g., now, where lots of bold terrorist actions show people willing to stand up for their faith). This was pointed out to me by poster “men0jwv” a while ago, and while I didn’t comment on it then, I still think about it now. It says a lot about the mentality that Islam engenders in its followers when for even the most kind-hearted of Muslims caring about your religion is inseparable from fighting others.

 

[bpbasilphx]

What would you expect of a religion started by a pedophile, which Mahomet (pblt) was.

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[paarsurrey]

No matter where in the world you look, wherever muslims are gathered in great numbers (Middle East, eastern Europe, India, Indoneisia, Burma, Phillipines, southern Russia, western China) they are constantly engaged in violent conflicts with their neighbors. Why do members of this religion so often engage in violence with their neighbors? Will they ever change or will they will Islam always be intrinsically violent?

Hi

A “Muslim” can never be violent; he only becomes violent when he becomes a “Jew”, in my opinion.

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary.

Thanks

 

[cathopologist]

Hi

A “Muslim” can never be violent; he only becomes violent when he becomes a “Jew”, in my opinion.

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary.

Thanks

So i guess its the Jews who massacred hundreds of people in Mumbai. The Jews were behind the 9/11 incident and it was the Jews who were behind the 7/7 bombings. What a convenient way of denying. Probably also because Muslims think they can never do wrong. Islam predestines the kufr to eternal condemnation but is lenient towards the ‘slave’.

You’re an excellent example of what your religion teaches you, my friend.

 

[ralphinal]

There are two separate groups here.

The first is one of economics and political power. These are the Muslims in the Middle East who are poor, poorly educated, and/or in oppressive governements. They respond in the only way that they understand: force. This group will riot, rape, kill, and destroy when things offend them. Sometimes, the will do it when they are happy, too. They are not too dangerous if you are not near them.

The second group is the more educated, more wealthy ethno-religi-politicalists. This group sees the Qur’an as encouraging the domination of the World by Muslims, and if that means the execution of all Christians, so be it. These are the ones who run Terrorist organizations. They have no issues killing Muslims who disagree. They are as dangerous as a two-headed Cobra or a leaking nuclear reactor.

Now, if we ignore the first group for a minute, can we say that the Qur’an can be interpreted to allow for the second one?

 

[paarsurrey]

There are two separate groups here.

The first is one of economics and political power. These are the Muslims in the Middle East who are poor, poorly educated, and/or in oppressive governements. They respond in the only way that they understand: force. This group will riot, rape, kill, and destroy when things offend them. Sometimes, the will do it when they are happy, too. They are not too dangerous if you are not near them.

The second group is the more educated, more wealthy ethno-religi-politicalists. This group sees the Qur’an as encouraging the domination of the World by Muslims, and if that means the execution of all Christians, so be it. These are the ones who run Terrorist organizations. They have no issues killing Muslims who disagree. They are as dangerous as a two-headed Cobra or a leaking nuclear reactor.

Now, if we ignore the first group for a minute, can we say that the Qur’an can be interpreted to allow for the second one?

Hi

I think you are doing oversimplification; in fact the largest group is who are peaceful; but they don’t make news. The media catches where their is violences; if people are peaceful living, they don’t make news.

The largest majority of the Muslims is peaceful.

Western media, the Western rulers, the Western religionists, in fact in my opinion like and project the Violent people. Perhaps it serves their purpose in the short run; who cares for the long term.

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary for peace and love, so much needed in the world.

Thanks

 

[ralphinal]

Hi

I think you are doing oversimplification; in fact the largest group is who are peaceful; but they don’t make news. The media catches where their is violences; if people are peaceful living, they don’t make news.

The largest majority of the Muslims is peaceful.

Western media, the Western rulers, the Western religionists, in fact in my opinion like and project the Violent people. Perhaps it serves their purpose in the short run; who cares for the long term.

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary for peace and love, so much needed in the world.

Thanks

I left that group out as I was talking about those who are violent.

But, since you brought it up, why does this large majority not kick the violent ones out or stop them from giving Islam a bad name?

 

[Naztakuan]

No matter where in the world you look, wherever muslims are gathered in great numbers (Middle East, eastern Europe, India, Indoneisia, Burma, Phillipines, southern Russia, western China) they are constantly engaged in violent conflicts with their neighbors. Why do members of this religion so often engage in violence with their neighbors? Will they ever change or will they will Islam always be intrinsically violent?

I find this offensive and Untrue. I have a Muslim friend and he’s overly nice. He’d never hurt a fly. I think you’re not mentioning the very LARGE Muslim population of Africa. No one mentions them because they never do anything News worthy. They just worship, work, eat sleep and play. Maybe that’s just Asia and Europe’s problem. The wars waged in Africa have to do with European established country borderls and almost never faith. Asia and Europe have had its long standing issues with Invasian and trying to maintain ethinic homogeneity. It’s Why people in France try to ban religious or ethnic paraphenilia of any kind. They want everyone to be the same. Otherness can be scary. Let us not forget that Christians in America are often equated with violence too. So don’t worry about Muhommed is doing. Keep yourself in check. The world is watching you too. Everyday someone in the paper is talikng about how crazy christians are. Guys actually use Christianity as an insult to mean uptight, prudish, and psychotic. Thanks to certain public figures that aren’t good models for christianity.

 

[paarsurrey]

I left that group out as I was talking about those who are violent.

But, since you brought it up, why does this large majority not kick the violent ones out or stop them from giving Islam a bad name (per force, you mean? )?

Hi

Your suggestion is contradictory; you want that the peaceful people should become violent and abondon sanity. The peaceful people would remain peaceful; that is what they should logically do. The arena is left open for the politicians and rulers.

Are you with the peaceful people?

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary for peace and love so much needed in the wrold.

Thanks

 

[ralphinal]

Hi

Your suggestion is contradictory; you want that the peaceful people should become violent and abondon sanity. The peaceful people would remain peaceful; that is what they should logically do. The arena is left open for the politicians and rulers.

Are you with the peaceful people?

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary for peace and love so much needed in the wrold.

Thanks

A peaceful man can tell troublemakers to leave his mosque. A peaceful man can inform authorities or the media when there is trouble. A peaceful man can teach others the correct way of peace. All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

How many good Muslims are doing nothing?

 

[Sagefrakrobatik]

I find this offensive and Untrue. I have a Muslim friend and he’s overly nice. He’d never hurt a fly. I think you’re not mentioning the very LARGE Muslim population of Africa. No one mentions them because they never do anything News worthy. They just worship, work, eat sleep and play. Maybe that’s just Asia and Europe’s problem. The wars waged in Africa have to do with European established country borderls and almost never faith. Asia and Europe have had its long standing issues with Invasian and trying to maintain ethinic homogeneity. It’s Why people in France try to ban religious or ethnic paraphenilia of any kind. They want everyone to be the same. Otherness can be scary. Let us not forget that Christians in America are often equated with violence too. So don’t worry about Muhommed is doing. Keep yourself in check. The world is watching you too. Everyday someone in the paper is talikng about how crazy christians are. Guys actually use Christianity as an insult to mean uptight, prudish, and psychotic. Thanks to certain public figures that aren’t good models for christianity.

Its a little more complicated than that. In Senegal and Tanzania it has been relatively peaceful except for the conflict between Mauritania and Senegal. However in Nigeria the tensions between Christians and Muslims is akin to that of Israel and Palestine in my opinon.

I wonder if their has been any empirical studies done to determine which religion is the most violent.

 

[inJESUS]

Dzheremi summarized it in a good way. Combine extreme legalism with offensive/conquest/expansive wars ideology, and you see no peace. Again, Islam isn’t your nice neighbor who doesn’t know how to use a gun.

 

[morning_star777]

No matter where in the world you look, wherever muslims are gathered in great numbers (Middle East, eastern Europe, India, Indoneisia, Burma, Phillipines, southern Russia, western China) they are constantly engaged in violent conflicts with their neighbors. Why do members of this religion so often engage in violence with their neighbors? Will they ever change or will they will Islam always be intrinsically violent?

My personal view point is, they will never change because their scriptures taught them violence.But if they can properly edit there man created scriptures or they will leave their religion then they can be changed.But both are impossible.It is not too much hard to establish a cult but it is very hard(actually impossible) to destroy any ideology.But Ahmadi Muslims are really good people, though they(ahmadis) are not considered as mainstream muslim by other branches of islam.

 

[morning_star777]

Hi

A “Muslim” can never be violent; he only becomes violent when he becomes a “Jew”, in my opinion.

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary.

Thanks

My goodness paarsurry what I am reading!You are an Ahmadi and how can you say like that ?read my previous post!I praised Ahmadi muslims for their peaceful nature!Btw,was I wrong?How can you say that,he only becomes violent when he becomes a “Jew”, in my opinion.Do you hate Jews?Do Ahmadi hate Jews?I always thought that Ahmadis are not hateful like other muslims,Perhaps I was wrong!!!

 

[cthulhubryan]

As long as governments like that of house S’aud fronts an abomination like Wahabbiism then there will be violence.
As long as governments like Iran and Syria actively support terrorist groups against peaceful civilians there will be violence.

What is the answer?

Shari’a? Yes. The governments of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and others are guilty of murder in the name of the “religion of peace” and the “religion of peace” says that the punishment is death by decapitation.

Decapitate those governments and lets see if the violence doesn’t go down just a bit.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Why do you assume that the Muslims are just being violent against their neighbors?

Look closely and you will see people who in many cases are being persecuted and oppressed. Do you think Chinese Muslims are able to practice freely? Who is it that keeps trying to suppress the Chechnyans? French Muslim girls not being allowed to cover themselves in schools?

Muslims are fierce about protecting their freedom. But if you think they are just being violent and aggressive, or trying to conquer the world as dz put it, then I think you need to take a closer examination.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

A “Muslim” can never be violent; he only becomes violent when he becomes a “Jew”, in my opinion.

Wow please tell me I read this wrong. Please tell me that I am missing some context to this quote or that your fingers slipped on your keypad and this is what came out. :nope:

God bless