Why are muslims so violent?

[Amy_1610]

Oh dear - i couldnt bear to read very far into this thread - why must everyone on here generalise! VARC - not all muslims are violent, and ParrSurrey - neither are all Jews !!
You can’t generalise like that (if you said things like that about skin colour you’d get arrested for racism)!!
Terrorists are extremists - they make up a small part of the reliogion’s followers and every religion will have them.
Thats like saying all Germans are mass murdering racists just becasue the Nazi’s were! Its unfounded and untrue!
I am actually rather ashamed that people can talk about others like that, especially on a site like this!
Why can’t we accept people for who they are, and pick out the bad eggs individually!?!?!

 

[Sister_Amy]

Oh dear - i couldnt bear to read very far into this thread - why must everyone on here generalise! VARC - not all muslims are violent, and ParrSurrey - neither are all Jews !!
You can’t generalise like that (if you said things like that about skin colour you’d get arrested for racism)!!
Terrorists are extremists - they make up a small part of the reliogion’s followers and every religion will have them.
Thats like saying all Germans are mass murdering racists just becasue the Nazi’s were! Its unfounded and untrue!
I am actually rather ashamed that people can talk about others like that, especially on a site like this!
Why can’t we accept people for who they are, and pick out the bad eggs individually!?!?!

Thanks. I agree with you entirely.

 

[reteeks21]

Oh dear - i couldnt bear to read very far into this thread - why must everyone on here generalise! VARC - not all muslims are violent, and ParrSurrey - neither are all Jews !!
You can’t generalise like that (if you said things like that about skin colour you’d get arrested for racism)!!
Terrorists are extremists - they make up a small part of the reliogion’s followers and every religion will have them.
Thats like saying all Germans are mass murdering racists just becasue the Nazi’s were! Its unfounded and untrue!
I am actually rather ashamed that people can talk about others like that, especially on a site like this!
Why can’t we accept people for who they are, and pick out the bad eggs individually!?!?!

Because Muslim leaders and the worldwide Muslim community isn’t shouting about it. You never see Muslims on TV condemning violence against others in massive crowds, but you do see them when they are protesting cartoons. Where’s the outrage at those that pervert their religion? It certainly isn’t seen anywhere. I think that is one reason people assume so much about Islam.

 

[Sister_Amy]

reteeks21:
Because Muslim leaders and the worldwide Muslim community isn’t shouting about it. You never see Muslims on TV condemning violence against others in massive crowds, but you do see them when they are protesting cartoons. Where’s the outrage at those that pervert their religion? It certainly isn’t seen anywhere. I think that is one reason people assume so much about Islam.

Muslims aren’t in charge of the TV networks, so they don’t get to decide what you see on TV… do they?

There’s plenty of outrage, if you are looking for it. But CNN and FOX aren’t looking, nor do they care, and are happy to let you think that there is no such outrage.

 

[reteeks21]

Muslims aren’t in charge of the TV networks, so they don’t get to decide what you see on TV… do they?

There’s plenty of outrage, if you are looking for it. But CNN and FOX aren’t looking, nor do they care, and are happy to let you think that there is no such outrage.

Please point me to a source that will show me I am wrong.

 

[inJESUS]

Why do some keep discussing people instead of ideologies?. Let us analyze the ideologies behind Muhammad’s immediate successors when they waged their oppressive wars to spread Islam to see whether Islam has peace as its root, and whether the word itself has the same meaning to both parties.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Please point me to a source that will show me I am wrong.

A good place to start.

muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Or for something more recent, like Mumbai: muslimmatters.org/2008/11/26/terrorists-on-murderous-rampage-in-mumbai-join-the-condemnation/

“Whoever kills a person [unjustly]… it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

 

[reteeks21]

A good place to start.

muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Or for something more recent, like Mumbai: muslimmatters.org/2008/11/26/terrorists-on-murderous-rampage-in-mumbai-join-the-condemnation/

“Whoever kills a person [unjustly]… it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

Thank you for the sources. I meant no offense earlier. I was simply pointing out the reality that we see. I guess the issue is what is to be done then about the extremeists cause they aren’t going away just by prayer and diplomacy.

 

[inJESUS]

“Whoever kills a person [unjustly]… it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

we are all aware of this rabbinical teaching but what is “unjustly”? as far as i know, Jews do not have war conquest ideologies to spread Judaism, can we say the same about the Caliphs? when a Caliph kills people in the name of spreading Islam, is it considered “just” or “unjust”?

 

[Amy_1610]

Why do some keep discussing people instead of ideologies?. Let us analyze the ideologies

Surely the ideologies and people are one and the same…
And as I’ve already said - terrorists are extremists - not everyone. so if the ideology has been ‘preached’ at the whole religion - why havent they all gone like it?? And PLEASE DO NOT tell me that they all are, I know some Muslims, and they sure aren’t.

 

[inJESUS]

Why do some keep discussing people instead of ideologies?. Let us analyze the ideologies

Surely the ideologies and people are one and the same…

i beg to differ here. Someone can be very good to you, yet have sick ideology, like, a Nazi might be extremely good to you, but his ideology is still sick. And no, am not the one who ever generalize about anything. If you know Muslims, i live among them and with them.

 

[Amy_1610]

Ok I can see your point, actually…
I possibly got a tad too fired up bout other members quite insulting way of putting there veiws… … sorry if i offended, i didnt intend too…

 

[inJESUS]

Ok I can see your point, actually…
I possibly got a tad too fired up bout other members quite insulting way of putting there veiws… … sorry if i offended, i didnt intend too…

i wasn’t offended by any means since English isn’t my first language, i sometimes do not articulate my ideas in a proper way but still working on it! God bless you.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Thank you for the sources. I meant no offense earlier. I was simply pointing out the reality that we see. I guess the issue is what is to be done then about the extremeists cause they aren’t going away just by prayer and diplomacy.

Remember that pulling out a weed is useless unless you pull out its root.

A person who says that Islam is the problem, is like saying the dirt is responsible for growing the weeds, and so if you trample the dirt you kill the weeds. If you do that you end up killing everything in the garden, good and bad. The problem is under the surface–it’s not Islam. People need to take a closer look at the political unrest, the oppression and poverty and suffering of people to understand the extremism.

 

[Euthymios]

Hi, I opened a thread yestderay and posted a question, but can’t find them anywhere.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Hi, I opened a thread yestderay and posted a question, but can’t find them anywhere.

I can’t see any threads started by you. Perhaps one of the moderators deleted it. If so, you might be better off PMing someone (you can PM me if it’s about Islam) to ask, since it might be a topic the administration prefers not to have discussed on the board.

 

[cyberjacques]

Hi

I think you are doing oversimplification; in fact the largest group is who are peaceful; but they don’t make news. The media catches where their is violences; if people are peaceful living, they don’t make news.

The largest majority of the Muslims is peaceful.

Western media, the Western rulers, the Western religionists, in fact in my opinion like and project the Violent people. Perhaps it serves their purpose in the short run; who cares for the long term.

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary for peace and love, so much needed in the world.

Thanks

Sorry, but I don’t believe this at all. The media, the radical left-wing media, would like nothing better than to have some nice peaceful Muslims to report on, since they’re the ones trying to paint Islam as the innocent victim. You can bet that the media would jump on even the smallest story about a peaceful Muslim (as long as it’s not a story about a peaceful Muslim speaking out against the hate and violence of Islam, which happens occasionally but never gets reported), but there aren’t any. If Muslims were really so upset about their religion being “hijacked”, don’t you think they’d be saying something about it? Don’t you think there would be demonstrations and interviews and such? But no, the only Muslim demonstrations you see are the ones where they are calling for the slaughter of the infidels who dared to publish unflattering comics of Mohammed. If the integrity of their religion is as sacred to them as the integrity of my religion is to me, I would expect them to be really pissed, and vocally so, over the supposed misuse of their religion for violent means. But they’re not.

Here’s how you can tell that a significant number of peaceful Muslims simply don’t exist. It’s a purely scientific exercise. You can know whether something exists or not in two ways. First, you can observe it directly. Second, you can observe it indirectly by measuring the effect it has on its surroundings. So far, we haven’t seen any large groups of peaceful Muslims, nor have we seen the effects that large groups of peaceful Muslims would be expected to have. Sure, the occasional peaceful Muslim exists. I’ve met a few. But these large majorities everyone keeps trying to insist on? They don’t exist.

 

[Euthymios]

No kidding you can’t see any threads started by me, because it doesn’t exist. That was my whole point. My thread was never posted. I joined this site yesterday and already I don’t like it. They wouldn’t delete a thread with a question. I went to the question section and asked a question about dancing.

 

[cyberjacques]

Remember that pulling out a weed is useless unless you pull out its root.

A person who says that Islam is the problem, is like saying the dirt is responsible for growing the weeds, and so if you trample the dirt you kill the weeds. If you do that you end up killing everything in the garden, good and bad. The problem is under the surface–it’s not Islam. People need to take a closer look at the political unrest, the oppression and poverty and suffering of people to understand the extremism.

Sorry, oppression and suffering isn’t a suitable excuse for the gleeful slaughter of innocents. When was the last time you saw oppressed and suffering Christians behaving like this? I’ll tell you. They called themselves the IRA. They were Catholics, responding to the oppression by British Protestants. They attacked British police, and not school children. They had no support from the rest of the Catholic world, and the Pope begged them to stop. And when they finally did stop, Catholics breathed a collective sigh of relief. That’s the only example of Christians responding in such a way to oppression that I’m aware of.

Besides, this whole excuse about poverty and oppression and lack of education being the cause for the extremism is pure garbage. It’s just a convenient scape-goat, a way to make the liberal masses feel sorry for the poor oppressed maniacs. The people who are the leaders of the Muslim terrorist groups, the ones who plan the attacks, the ones who go overseas to western nations to blow people up, the vast majority of those are the wealthy, educated ones! Those are the doctors and professors, the lawyers and engineers, and they often use their own financial resources to pay for it. Osama bin Laden came from a very wealthy family, and he was very well educated. So what’s their excuse?

 

[meedo]

No matter where in the world you look, wherever muslims are gathered in great numbers (Middle East, eastern Europe, India, Indoneisia, Burma, Phillipines, southern Russia, western China) they are constantly engaged in violent conflicts with their neighbors. Why do members of this religion so often engage in violence with their neighbors? Will they ever change or will they will Islam always be intrinsically violent?

Muslims don’t take **** easily. Firmly believing in somthing bieng good strengthens one’s will to fight back when it is attacked. In all the countries you mentioend before muslims are the victims and not the aggressors. Places like western china , parts of Phillipines , southern russia were already muslim and had their own rules and everything when these countries where formed. In India they are a heavily discriminated against minority and in europe they suffer from racism.

Islam is not going to change and muslims are not going to give up struggle .Ofcourse there are some who commit crimes against civilians and call it part of that struggle but they not the mainstream of that struggle.

The violent history western nations for example goes unchecked because they hide behind ‘‘states’’ . So when america decides to bomb the hell ou of a villiage for no good reason , they call it eradicating terrorism . when the afghans fight americans to get them out of afghanistan they are called terorists . Just because muslims are individuals and there are ‘‘states’’ that fight them doesnt mean the states are right and muslims are violent.

Its all really about who is the stronger and who will write the news.