Why are people gay?

[Henning]

remember…

Leviticus 20:13 *
If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman
both of them have committed an **abomination **(to-ay-baw)
they shall surely be put to death
their blood shall be upon them

 

[onetimeposter]

Remember…

Matthew 7:5

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.

 

[Philothea53]

You should know that writing in bold comes across as agressive. However, I know you meant nothing by it because as you said, you try to be “love” and “be kind” to people.

However, it is my personal opinion that children should not be brought up in the homosexual environment. I don’t think it’s right. All children deserve to have a mother and a father. They deserve to have a traditional family.

I also know that the Catholic apoption agencies agree with me on this. The Catholic adoption agencies in England and Wales threatened to close if they were forced to give children to homosexual couples. They would rather close their doors for good than do this. I can understand why.

Catholic Charities in Boston stopped adoptions in 2006, I think it was, for that very same reason.

 

[onetimeposter]

Catholic Charities in Boston stopped adoptions in 2006, I think it was, for that very same reason.

You should find out for certain if this is accurate. It is a fairly strong claim that you are presenting as fact.

 

[Dempsey1919]

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.

Yes, but you would do well to remember three of the spiritual works of mercy:

1. Instruct the ignorant
2. Counsel the doubtful
3. Admonish the sinner

We are not being hypocritical by defending Church teaching on homosexuality. We are simply affirming the truths that God has revealed to us.

A hypocrite would be a practicing homosexual who sanctimoniously condemned other practicing homosexuals.

If they are more concerned about their own principles, than the are about the well being of children…then clearly, the question is raised, what business do they have being involved in adoption anyway?

They care about children because of their principals. You make it sound as if these very same principals damaged the well being of children. That is incorrect. The Catholic adoption agencies refused to compromise with their beliefs about how to best care about children. In the minds of the Catholic adoption agencies, they were protecting the well-being of these children by refusing to give them to homosexual couples.

 

[Philothea53]

You should find out for certain if this is accurate. It is a fairly strong claim that you are presenting as fact.

You probably could have done the same thing I did to check the date.

I entered “Catholic adoption boston closed” into Google and got Catholic Charities stuns state, ends adoptions Gay issue stirred move by agency
By Patricia Wen, Globe Staff | March 11, 2006

In a stunning turn of events, Archbishop Sean P. O’Malley and leaders of Catholic Charities of Boston announced yesterday that the agency will end its adoption work, deciding to abandon its founding mission, rather than comply with state law requiring that gays be allowed to adopt children…

 

[onetimeposter]

You probably could have done the same thing I did to check the date.

I entered “Catholic adoption boston closed” into Google and got Catholic Charities stuns state, ends adoptions Gay issue stirred move by agency
By Patricia Wen, Globe Staff | March 11, 2006

In a stunning turn of events, Archbishop Sean P. O’Malley and leaders of Catholic Charities of Boston announced yesterday that the agency will end its adoption work, deciding to abandon its founding mission, rather than comply with state law requiring that gays be allowed to adopt children…

Their Principles over the placement of children within families …so be it.

 

[Dempsey1919]

I think it is wrong for any government to force religious charities to go against their convictions.

The state should not be allowed to dictate to religious bodies; they should not be allowed to force those organisations to abadon their founding convictions.

I am sure that there are many state adoption agencies. If homosexuals want to adopt children, then they should contact these places.

The only reason homosexuals would go to a Catholic adoption agency is because they want to argue about their rights. It’s just another way they can try to push their gay agenda.

Sadly, the rights of religious bodies are seen as inferior to the rights of the Gay/Lesbian/Transgender community.

Religious people should be given the freedom of consciencous objection. They should not be forced to do something which goes against their beliefs or religion. That is persecution.

 

[onetimeposter]

The only reason homosexuals would go to a Catholic adoption agency is because they want to argue about their rights. It’s just another way they can try to push their gay agenda.

Or to adopt children.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Or to adopt children.

Why go to a Catholic adoption agency when they know what the Church teaches about the homosexual lifestyle? They know that they would face difficulties. They go because they want to force the Catholic adoption agencies to change their position to suit them.

There are plenty of other adoption agencies that they could turn to; these adoption agencies have no problem with homosexual adoption, yet instead of going to these places they go to Catholic adoption agencies.

It’s all about the advancement of so-called gay rights. They want to force everyone to accept their worldview.

 

[Philothea53]

Their Principles over the placement of children within families …so be it.

Having principles doesn’t mean anything to you? Standing up for what you believe in is a bad thing? One should give in? How about the state of Massachusetts gets its act together and changs the law that forced Catholic Charities to go against its long held principles, principles that have been proven to be better for children since it has been shown that children “are best raised by a mother and father”?

(BTW - your definition of family is skewed. A family cannot have two moms or two dads. Children are conceived of a man and a woman. All the modern definitions of family as anything else are phony attempts to lend credence to the disordered lifestyles we are asked to accept as normal.)

 

[onetimeposter]

It’s all about the advancement of so-called gay rights. They want to force everyone to accept their worldview.

That discrimination based upon same sex attraction is wrong…I think your right.

 

[leonie]

ncregister.com/site/article/15350

Boys Will Be Girls?

Catholic Therapists Help Kids Overcome ‘Transgender’ Issues

BY CELESTE McGOVERN

REGISTER CORRESPONDENT

July 6-12, 2008 Issue | Posted 7/1/08 at 8:57 AM

PHILADELPHIA — When “Ben Carson” was 3 years old, his favorite color was pink and his best friend at nursery school was a girl. He drew flowers and he loved Snow White.

His parents noticed differences between him and other boys and they started to recall with concern the little things he had done since he was a toddler — such as wandering around the house wearing a towel robe like a dress.

“Then one evening when he was 4 years old, I was putting him into bed and he said, ‘I really don’t want to grow up,” recalled his father, a government worker in Philadelphia who requested anonymity to protect his son. “And he said, ‘I really wish I was a girl.’ Something clicked. I just knew something was really wrong with my son. He was depressed and just not happy with who he was.”

If young Ben lived in Massachusetts, he could be a candidate for “gender reassignment” treatment at a children’s hospital there that recently opened a controversial clinic that allows young children to select their own gender and treats them with hormones. Hearings that began June 26 at the U.S. House Education and Labor Committee show just how accepted gender reassignment has become. Democrats on the committee want to make it illegal for employers to discriminate against adults who change their gender.

But Ben’s parents have opted for a different approach, one that conforms to Church teachings about the nature of human sexuality, by applying psychological and spiritual techniques to help their son fulfill his masculine identity as he matures.

…

 

[Dempsey1919]

That discrimination based upon same sex attraction is wrong…I think your right.

Their worldview is that homosexuality is not sinful but just as natural as heterosexuality. They claim that the Church discriminates against them because of their lifestyle. This is not true.

However, the Church cannot and will not be forced to accept that homosexuality is not sinful.

The issue of homosexuality has nearly destroyed the Church of England because many within that institution deliberately ignore the biblical stance on this issue. They ignore the teaching of the Church throughout the ages.

People are gay because they choose to be. The Church will never condemn an individual who suffers with same sex attraction but it will never endorse sin to placate the sinner.

This is it in a nutshell:

The gay rights movement wants to force the Church to proclaim that homosexuality is not sinful. They want the Church to accept their sin. They don’t like to be told they are wrong.

In the words of the Prophet Isaiah:

**“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness” **(Isaiah 5:20).

This is what the homosexual movement wants the Church to do.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I believe that you cannot provide even one peer-reviewed study to back your claim of a biological basis for same sex attractive disorder. There aren’t any. Lots of supposes and wish we coulds, but not one.

Here’s one of many.

Male hormone levels in womb may affect sexual orientation, study says

March 29, 2000
Web posted at: 2:10 p.m. EST (1910 GMT)

SAN FRANCISCO (CNN) – A California psychologist has found the level of male hormones a fetus is exposed to in the womb can influence future sexual orientation. The study, published in this week’s journal Nature, is based an unusual research technique – comparing the lengths of a person’s index and ring fingers.

Marc Breedlove, a professor of psychology at University of California Berkeley, said that finger length is influenced by levels of male hormone, or androgen, in the womb. Thus, he used the finger comparisons as an approximate measure of fetal androgen levels.

In most people, the index finger is slightly shorter than the ring finger. But in the right hand, the difference is accentuated by higher levels of androgens during fetal development, according to the study. In women, the ring and the index finger tend to be almost the same size. In men, the index finger is usually shorter.

archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Here’s another

Born gay? How biology may drive orientation

By Sandi Doughton

Seattle Times science reporter

MARK HARRISON / THE SEATTLE TIMES

As the culture wars rage over gay rights, a flock of sheep at Oregon State University may help answer a key question behind the controversy: Is homosexuality a matter of choice or biology?

The Corvallis herd includes a group of rams that scientists delicately refer to as “male-oriented.” These animals consistently ignore females and bestow all their amorous attentions on members of their own sex.

Researcher Charles Roselli says a decade of study suggests sexual orientation is largely hard-wired into the sheep’s brains before birth. Now, he’s trying to figure out how that happens, zeroing in on genes and hormones. In a bold test of his ideas, he hopes to engineer the birth of gay rams by altering conditions in the womb.

seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002340883_gayscience19m.html

Jim

 

[Dempsey1919]

It doesn’t matter if homosexuality has a biological cause. It doesn’t change the fact that God has deemed it to be wrong.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It doesn’t matter if homosexuality has a biological cause. It doesn’t change the fact that God has deemed it to be wrong.

Agreed! As the Catholic Church teaches, although homosexuality may not be a choice, the act is.

Jim

 

[DavidW]

My point stands firm.

Actually your point is utterly obscure.

In over 15 posts in this thread you’ve gone from comparing humans to animals, to arguing DNA, to War, to Reproduction, to Ad Hom attacks about hypocrites, to saying that Catholic Adoption orgs refusing to adopt to Gays are discriminating (unfairly, one assumes) to defend “Their Principles”.

It seems your point is that Homosexuality is OK and should be tolerated as normal. And that’s fine if that’s what you think but that is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Here is what the Catechism says:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

People disagree, but the teaching of the church is clear. Like abortion the topic is controversial and there are people in the church that disagree with the Catholic position. But as Father Corapi says “you cannot be Catholic and be pro-choice”.

As someone attending RCIA one of the things I am struggling with is developing a Catholic conscience. That is, I need to learn the teaching of the church and apply it in my life over and above my own ideas. God makes the rules, the Church has defined them for us. I am not God.

The OP asks why people are Gay. Maybe someday science will tell us, I don’t know. Whatever the reason is I feel sympathy for Gay folks. I think there are many Gay people that have lived more moral lives than I have - their sins are no greater than mine. I must focus on eliminating my sinful behavior and I’ve got my hands full with that.

 

[onetimeposter]

Actually your point is utterly obscure.

In over 15 posts in this thread you’ve gone from comparing humans to animals** ( We are animals, we are Human Animals, created by God with a soul and conscience)** , to arguing DNA ( 98% of our genes are shared with Chimps.), to War ( War is generally evil), to Reproduction ( Reproduction is generally good), to Ad Hom attacks about hypocrites ( I only speak of Hypocrites to remind everyone that we are all sinners. I have never called anyone a hypocrite.), to saying that Catholic Adoption orgs refusing to adopt to Gays are discriminating (unfairly, one assumes) to defend “Their Principles”. **( They are not discriminating, as they are no longer in the adoption business. If they remained and refused to accept homosexuals as adopter’s, I would only assume that the courts would eventually rule against them and their practice) **

It seems your point is that Homosexuality is OK and should be tolerated as normal. And that’s fine if that’s what you think but that is not the teaching of the Catholic Church. ( My point is that discrimination is wrong and I sometimes feel that there is a disproportionate interest in one kind of sin over other kinds of sins…I’m not saying that is happening here, just that it does look like that from time to time)

As the discussion moves into different areas…so do I.