Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

[RebeccaJ]

And that is your problem which leads you from being a good catholic. You are judging a whole group of people who happen to be mormon by stating that you don’t trust a mormon. Now of course, we can make comparisons in history. Hitler for example didn’t trust a single jew so he them killed. It didn’t matter who it was or what kind of person he or she was…off they went to be slaughtered. And then of course, we have catholic history equating jews with christ-killers. All Jews were christ-killers…it is this kind of thinking that is dangerous.

For you, the entire group is the same and so all deserve the same treatment. Dangerous.

whyme, I’ve had it up to HERE with your judgmental and other never ending ********. You should stop talking to me, because I am done talking to you.

 

[Religio71]

whyme, I’ve had it up to HERE with your judgmental and other never ending ********. You should stop talking to me, because I am done talking to you.

don’t you just love his “comparisons”, HAHAHAHA.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I am still trying to understand how Rebecca can live in Utah. Her disdain for anything mormon must be a problem. She would be much happier in Lithuania or Poland. It would be like me judging all jews as dishonest living in a jewish part of town. I would be forever looking over my shoulder or have the feeling of being cheated with every transaction in a shop.

Rebecca knows UT very well, including all the places that mormons DON’T hang out. She can count the number of mormons at her workplace: ZERO. She chose her workplace carefully, and found the best place in the state to work. Good cause. Fun time. Liberal politics. No mormons. She thinks it’s a beautiful gem in the middle of utter madness.

 

[why_me]

Which definitely, I don’t trust a mormon. Not one.

And this makes you an antimormon and a bigot and not a critic. If I were to say that ‘I don¨’t trust a jew, not one’ would of course make me antisemitic. And I were to say the same about catholics, it would make me ignorant to boot.

But on the other hand you are a likeable person and I am sure that you keep your opinions to yourself during the coffee hour.

 

[RebeccaJ]

don’t you just love his “comparisons”, HAHAHAHA.

There was this shoe, and it looked like a rootbeer float. Only don’t try to eat the shoe. But the rootbeer float, well, you shouldn’t wear it. Unless of course you put the rootbeer float IN the shoe then you can have the best of both worlds.

 

[RebeccaJ]

And this makes you an antimormon and a bigot and not a critic. If I were to say that ‘I don¨’t trust a jew, not one’ would of course make me antisemitic. And I were to say the same about catholics, it would make me ignorant to boot.

But on the other hand you are a likeable person and I am sure that you keep your opinions to yourself during the coffee hour.

Nah, us catholics stand around coffee hour and bash every mormon we can think of. Gives us something to do since you know we don’t do anything otherwise.

 

[why_me]

Rebecca knows UT very well, including all the places that mormons DON’T hang out. She can count the number of mormons at her workplace: ZERO. She chose her workplace carefully, and found the best place in the state to work. Good cause. Fun time. Liberal politics. No mormons. She thinks it’s a beautiful gem in the middle of utter madness.

Wonderful. I do think that dianaid will change her mind about you now and put you in the antimormon slot. We are all entitled to live our lives in the way we see fit. But I think that you should read saint therese and do good to the people you consider to be your enemy.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Wonderful. I do think that dianaid will change her mind about you now and put you in the antimormon slot. We are all entitled to live our lives in the way we see fit. But I think that you should read saint therese and do good to the people you consider to be your enemy.

And I think you should read the BoM. Especially the part about infant baptism. Get back to me on anti everything after that. cough hypocrite cough

 

[why_me]

don’t you just love his “comparisons”, HAHAHAHA.

And don’t you love that she doesn’t trust a single mormon? Is that being a good catholic? Any comments? I could have found many germans in the 1930’s that didn’t trust a single jew. What happened?

 

[RebeccaJ]

And don’t you love that she doesn’t trust a single mormon? Is that being a good catholic? Any comments? I could have found many germans in the 1930’s that didn’t trust a single jew. What happened?

Yup, I have my mormon extermination plan, all here, in an Excel spreadsheet. Will you look it over and let me know what you think?

 

[why_me]

And I think you should read the BoM. Especially the part about infant baptism. Get back to me on anti everything after that. cough hypocrite cough

It would not matter to me what mormons, jews, muslims, hindus would believe. I would hope that I would never say that I don’t trust a single one. Now of course, I know that you misspoke in that post. But I needed to call you on it. Even the catholicanswers moderators would probably send you a message about that post.

But listing a whole group into one batch of batter is dangerous to do. The jewish ghetto comes to mind.

 

[dianaiad]

Whatever.

Gracious as ever…

 

[zaffiroborant]

Oh, don’t get me on my soapbox, Z.

“Defending the faith” means that you defend YOUR faith, not attack others. If you get on a forum devoted to the discussion of, say, Mormonism, and you are constantly criticizing Mormon Doctrine (or at least what you think Mormon doctrine is…not necessarily the same thing) then you are NOT defending the Catholic faith. You are attacking the Mormons.

but the Mormon is defending HIS.

Here is a hypothetical situation: a couple of Mormon missionaries come to your door. They start a lesson about the Godhood, and you soon get ear-deep in a discussion of the Trinity. They keep asking questions and presenting the reasons for their beliefs, and you respond by presenting the scriptures and reasons you believe in your version of the Trinity. You are defending your faith.

Another situation…not very hypothetical at all. There is this forum dedicated to the discussion of non-Catholic religions. Several of the threads are dedicated to Mormonism. You join them, and all your points are about how stupid, cultish, evil and nasty Mormonism is. You claim that Mormons believe this thing, or that thing…and you never once discuss what Catholics believe about the issue under discussion or present scriptures/reasons for that belief.

In the meantime, the Mormons on that thread are either defending their beliefs (that is, if you got their beliefs right, which happens every so often) or are saying that no, they don’t either believe THAT, they believe THIS…and are not discussing the Catholic beliefs on the matter at all.

In THAT case, Z, you are not defending your faith. You are attacking theirs. THEY are defending their faith.

Here’s my third and last hypothetical situation: suppose that a Mormon went into, oh, any other sub-forum BUT 'non-Catholic religions" and proceeded to tell everybody there that they were idol worshipers or cannibals or Mary worshipers (you know, the standard anti-Catholic claptrap). You respond to that person, explaining the truth of your beliefs and debunking his erroneous claims about you. NOW you are defending your faith.

The phrase “The best defense is a good offense” only applies in war and politics, Z. So much so that if you use it in religion, it *becomes *war and politics.

By the way; I haven’t looked, but I’ll predict that there aren’t any Mormons in those other forums in CAF doing any such thing. Further, I’ll predict that the moderators haven’t had to keep any Mormons from going onto other forums in CAF to do any such thing–and if there is one, lemee at him.

Well I don’t have a clue where all that garbage came from. Whyme constantly tells Catholics on this board that they should desist in defending their faith. The “can a person be Catholic and LDS” thread is a perfect example. People on that thread weren’t doing your hypotheticals. They were explaining the official Catholic position (which LDS completely ignored I might add) Whyme insists that their time would be better spent on say the kinds of things Mother Theresa did. Good point the world would be a better place if everybody did that. But he never says that LDS should do the same. He accuses us of beating people with doctrine yet he never corrects LDS when they hold equally dogmatic positions on their beliefs. Where does he tell them to spend more time caring for the poor and sick as he does constantly to Catholics??? He has stated repeatedly that doctrine does not matter, the only thing that matters is being nice to each other.

I don’t believe that doctrine doesn’t matter to the LDS church, it spends a great deal of effort in teaching members from early childhood on and also spreading it to others through the missionary program. Whyme is quit aware of the importance of belief in the LDS church and the only doctrine and dogma he finds useless is that of the Catholic church yet he claims to be Catholic.

I am not arguing about what the LDS church does or believes, I am talking about his behavior on this board. I am tired of Whyme pretending to be a Catholic while trivializing Catholic belief and tearing up all who defend Catholic belief.

By the way I have NEVER said LDS are “stupid, cultish, evil and nasty” most of my posts are about the things LDS have said, like zerinus and his ignoring of Catholic teaching or your apostles mocking our beliefs or your implying nefarious motivation to Pope Benedict.

 

[why_me]

Yup, I have my mormon extermination plan, all here, in an Excel spreadsheet. Will you look it over and let me know what you think?

We just need to choose our words carefully. We all get carried away on the forums.

 

[dianaiad]

Nah, us catholics stand around coffee hour and bash every mormon we can think of. Gives us something to do since you know we don’t do anything otherwise.

No, Rebecca. I only know what you do HERE. I’m quite certain that you do not behave with your family the way you do in here, for instance.

Mind you, since you managed to find a place to work in Utah that has NO Mormons there, something tells me that the topic comes up there more often than you would like to admit. However, I rather imagine that y’all agree with each other when you do start to talk about Mormons, so the atmosphere is genial.

 

[dianaiad]

Well I don’t have a clue where all that garbage came from. Whyme constantly tells Catholics on this board that they should desist in defending their faith. The “can a person be Catholic and LDS” thread is a perfect example. People on that thread weren’t doing your hypotheticals. They were explaining the official Catholic position (which LDS completely ignored I might add) Whyme insists that their time would be better spent on say the kinds of things Mother Theresa did. Good point the world would be a better place if everybody did that. But he never says that LDS should do the same. He accuses us of beating people with doctrine yet he never corrects LDS when they hold equally dogmatic positions on their beliefs. Where does he tell them to spend more time caring for the poor and sick as he does constantly to Catholics??? He has stated repeatedly that doctrine does not matter, the only thing that matters is being nice to each other.

I don’t believe that doctrine doesn’t matter to the LDS church, it spends a great deal of effort in teaching members from early childhood on and also spreading it to others through the missionary program. Whyme is quit aware of the importance of belief in the LDS church and the only doctrine and dogma he finds useless is that of the Catholic church yet he claims to be Catholic.

I am not arguing about what the LDS church does or believes, I am talking about his behavior on this board. I am tired of Whyme pretending to be a Catholic while trivializing Catholic belief and tearing up all who defend Catholic belief.

By the way I have NEVER said LDS are “stupid, cultish, evil and nasty” most of my posts are about the things LDS have said, like zerinus and his ignoring of Catholic teaching or your apostles mocking our beliefs or your implying nefarious motivation to Pope Benedict.

Whyme claims to be Mormon AND Catholic. Since you are ignoring his claim to be Catholic and characterize him as a Mormon, then I think I can return the favor.

As to your claim about never saying that the LDS are “stupid, cultich, evil and nasty,” Z…perhaps you should look up the definition of “hypothetical.”

Oh, remind me. What did I say about Pope Benedict having a nefarious motivation?

 

[RebeccaJ]

No, Rebecca. I only know what you do HERE. I’m quite certain that you do not behave with your family the way you do in here, for instance.

Mind you, since you managed to find a place to work in Utah that has NO Mormons there, something tells me that the topic comes up there more often than you would like to admit. However, I rather imagine that y’all agree with each other when you do start to talk about Mormons, so the atmosphere is genial.

Whatever.

 

[RebeccaJ]

We just need to choose our words carefully. We all get carried away on the forums.

I always choose my words carefully. I meant what I said.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Zaffiorborant…you are no longer nineteen. Your understanding of what I believe can’t be described as anything but inaccurate. Since that is true, don’t you think you should cut them some slack? they aren’t SUPPOSED to know what YOU believe, after all.

Find a post by me where I say I know or explain your beliefs. I don’t do it.

Slack, if missionaries are going to come and tell me what I believe and why it is lacking (and yours have, they are fond of telling me “but you don’t know”) then they should have an accurate understanding of what I believe.

 

[why_me]

Well I don’t have a clue where all that garbage came from. Whyme constantly tells Catholics on this board that they should desist in defending their faith. The “can a person be Catholic and LDS” thread is a perfect example. People on that thread weren’t doing your hypotheticals. They were explaining the official Catholic position (which LDS completely ignored I might add) Whyme insists that their time would be better spent on say the kinds of things Mother Theresa did. Good point the world would be a better place if everybody did that. But he never says that LDS should do the same. He accuses us of beating people with doctrine yet he never corrects LDS when they hold equally dogmatic positions on their beliefs. Where does he tell them to spend more time caring for the poor and sick as he does constantly to Catholics??? He has stated repeatedly that doctrine does not matter, the only thing that matters is being nice to each other.

Let me try to explain this a little further. Saint Therese and Mother Therese both influenced many people of all faiths through their faith and active love. Not one would bash or mock another’s faith. But by their example, they both had tremendous influence on humankind and promoted the catholic way. Now I can also bring into the picture Katherine Drexel and her work among the Indians and African-Americans or Mother Cabrini who did wonderful work with the immigrant community. I don’t remember them bashing anyone of different faiths. But by their example, they promoted the catholic faith through active love.

And I will state it again, I have not promoted mormon doctrine in these threads. I did say that the word of wisdom was a good thing. But is that promoting mormon dogma?

Mormons should spend more time caring for the sick and the poor. But unlike you they don’t have the example of saint therese and mother therese.