Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

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ricko said:
When William was asked if he wanted to remove the cloth . he replied . “No, for father had just asked if he might not be permitted to do so, and Joseph, putting his hand on them said; ‘No, I am instructed not to show them to any one. If I do, I will transgress and lose them again.’ Besides, we did not care to have him break the commandment and suffer as he did before.” (Zion’s Ensign, p. 6, January 13, 1894, cited in Church of Christ broadside.)

“I am instructed not to show them to any one”

Ok, let’s hear the Mormon twist on this one. If he does not show them to anyone then how could anyone see them? Of course when a lie is invented nobody ever gets their story straight. The Holy Spirit came to me upon reading the BOM that it is a false testament .Man made religion, man made lies.

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At the time, he was instructed to show the plates to no one. But when it was time, 11 people saw the plates. What is the problem? I have already included what John Whitmer said: he touched and saw the plates.
 
Catholic20064 said:
When I was a Mormon, I always thought Mormons had a belief very similar to purgatory regarding what happens in after we die. There aren’t many who arrive on the other side perfect and ready to be with God.
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This is true. But in mormon understanding it is called ‘spirit prison’. But it is rather the same as purgatory with some differences. I think that only the catholic and mormon faith have such a notion.
 
why_me said:
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Did you have a nice coffee hour after mass?? Or is it shut down for the summer?
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I drink coffee and sometimes a glass of red wine or an ice cold glass of Ale. I drink these things because they are good for you (my doctor prescribed the wine) and the bible says that everything created by God is good and NOTHING is forbidden.
At the time, he was instructed to show the plates to no one. But when it was time, 11 people saw the plates. What is the problem? I have already included what John Whitmer said: he touched and saw the plates.
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The problem is can’t the Mormon God make up his mind. Give me the quote where the Mormon god says it is time. Whitmer lied. Almost every witness had left the LDS or been kicked out. Weren’t these the CHOSEN ONES?
 
why_me said:
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Did you have a nice coffee hour after mass?? Or is it shut down for the summer?
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This is a strange comment that doesn’t make sense, or I don’t get the joke.

I do really really wonder about the coffee thing. What about decaffinaeted coffee? Thats forbidden too I hear. Why? Something secretly bad about coffee? Why would God allow that, when Coke is a lot worse. Spikes your acidity level and puts your body into shock. And Pepsi. Someone once told me the Mormons own a lot of PepsiCo. Don’t know if thats true.

What about High Fructose Corn Syrup?? Thats a lot worse than coffee, and its everywhere.

Just doesn’t make sense. The Seventh Day Adventist food rules make more sense frankly.
 
why_me said:
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Did you have a nice coffee hour after mass?? Or is it shut down for the summer?
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I drink coffee and sometimes a glass of red wine or an ice cold glass of Ale. I drink these things because they are good for you (my doctor prescribed the wine) and the bible says that everything created by God is good and NOTHING is forbidden.
At the time, he was instructed to show the plates to no one. But when it was time, 11 people saw the plates. What is the problem? I have already included what John Whitmer said: he touched and saw the plates.
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The problem is can’t the Mormon God make up his mind. Give me the quote where the Mormon god says it is time. Whitmer lied. Almost every witness had left the LDS or been kicked out. Weren’t these the CHOSEN ONES?
 
sweetnay said:
And you sound brainwashed, I’m sorry that’s what the gospel means to you. Arm chair psychology is pointless and predictable-don’t mistake anger for passion!
I suppose you would have thought the same of Christ in the Temple “wow what’s that guys problem”…
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Sweetnay,
By bringing up the phrase “righteous anger” and then the follow up comment, I think I gave a logical response.

It amazes me that so many people bring up Christ cleansing the temple to justify their behavior. His action was specific toward a specific group on a specific occasion. They were desecrating a sacred and holy place by selling and doing business and ignoring the poor among them. I don’t think He was showing an example that every follower of Christ should use on every occasion when they feel passionate about something. There are other kinds of passionate expressions than anger. (I don’t think I would have gone near the temple under those circumstances, so I would have missed the exchange. I would have felt uncomfortable with what was going on there in the “name” of their religious rites, and stayed away hoping for better days to come. Had I been there, I would have cheered, though.)
 
ricko said:
And for the three witnesses we have this:

That the Three Witnesses were a gullible sort is illustrated by an incident in July, 1837. Joseph had left on a five-week missionary tour to Canada, only to find on his return that all three of the Witnesses had joined a faction opposing him. This faction rallied around a young girl who claimed to be a seeress by virtue of a black stone in which she read the future. David Whitmer, Martin Harris, and Oliver Cowdery all pledged her their loyalty, and Frederick G. Williams, formerly Joseph’s First Counselor, became her scribe. The girl seeress would dance herself into a state of exhaustion, fall to the floor, and burst forth with revelations. (See Lucy Smith: Biographical Sketches, pp. 211-213).
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Oh that is priceless!
 
why_me said:
This is true. But in mormon understanding it is called ‘spirit prison’. But it is rather the same as purgatory with some differences. I think that only the catholic and mormon faith have such a notion.
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Just to clear things up exaltation is not theosis and spirit prison is not purgatory.
 
ricko said:
And for the three witnesses we have this:

That the Three Witnesses were a gullible sort is illustrated by an incident in July, 1837. Joseph had left on a five-week missionary tour to Canada, only to find on his return that all three of the Witnesses had joined a faction opposing him. This faction rallied around a young girl who claimed to be a seeress by virtue of a black stone in which she read the future. David Whitmer, Martin Harris, and Oliver Cowdery all pledged her their loyalty, and Frederick G. Williams, formerly Joseph’s First Counselor, became her scribe. The girl seeress would dance herself into a state of exhaustion, fall to the floor, and burst forth with revelations. (See Lucy Smith: Biographical Sketches, pp. 211-213).
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For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
  • 2 Tim 4:3
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
  • Matt 24:11
 
PaulDupre said:
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
  • 2 Tim 4:3
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
  • Matt 24:11
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Paul,
Precisely so, beginning in about 100 AD and continuing thence.
 
why_me said:
I think that you are wrong. No one has proved that Joseph Smith wrote the book of mormon. Not have they proven that someone else wrote the book. And the 11 witnesses to the book of mormon never denied their testimony of the book of mormon even on their deathbed many claimed it has the truth.
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None ever did, but the three primary “witnesses” were all excommunicated when they disagreed with JSJ. They even backed a different person to succeed JSJ. They Supported Strang who then formed the LDS-Strangite group until he was murdered.
 
MelanieAnne said:
I guess the fact that these “witnesses” didn’t actually SEE the so-called “golden plates” isn’t troublesome for some people.
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The three primary witnesses did see and even handle the plates (Cowdery, Whitmer and Harris) These three were also later excommunicated.
 
ParkerD said:
Rick,
Reading this made me laugh. Thanks. What a translation you have here! Different translation = different gospel. Woops;)
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Surely you do not believe something as ludicrous as the statement you just made. Granted, different translations may choose slight variances in words but are differences in translations. Paraphrases, transliterations and the such are garbage (ie. The Message)
The ones that are truly foul are those that seek to add or delete from the bible (JST, NWT)

Here is 1 Tim 3:4 in KJV: "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: "
Romans 14:2 “For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.”
Romans 14:17 “For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”
 
RebeccaJ said:
The Stanford text analysis of the Book of Mormon implicated Cowdery:

“Our results indicate that likely nineteenth century contributors were Solomon Spalding, a writer of historical fantasies; Sidney Rigdon, an eloquent but perhaps unstable preacher; and Oliver Cowdery, a schoolteacher with editing experience. Our findings support the hypothesis that Rigdon was the main architect of the Book of Mormon and are consistent with historical evidence suggesting that he fabricated the book by adding theology to the unpublished writings of Spalding (then deceased)…”

llc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/4/465
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Yes, this was a very interesting thread when this result came out. This is very good proof of authorship, but it has been largely ignored by the LDS church.
 
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