Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

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zaffiroborant said:
Oh so Catholic priests need to learn charity and respect, I see. More backhanded compliments.
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We all can learn from Father O’Mally. He was a good priest. And yes, priests also need to learn what it means to be a good priest and father o’malley is a fine example. Maybe you should watch the movie and learn something instead of nitpicking your way through the threads. Also, you need to be balanced. Some of your so-called catholic friends on this forum can learn from father o’malley and you should nitpick your way through their posts to be sure that they are living up to the catholic faith.
 
Stephen168 said:
The Book of Mormon as defined by Joseph Smith has been proved to be a work of fiction.
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Easy to say but more difficult to prove. What you need to do is begin a speaking tour to mormon areas and give lectures about it. Then you can pass out catholic leaflets to the mormons. I am sure that you will be successful with your speaking tour. Good luck!
 
MelanieAnne said:
WhyMe obviously doesn’t know any Catholic priests.

We need to stop treating WhyMe as if he/she is, or ever was, Catholic. If he/she once was, he/she is not now. This is a game WhyMe plays to provoke Catholics and engage in unproductive dalog.
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I haven’t seen much productivie dialogue on the mormon threads. We have one liners and mormon explanations, more one liners, more mormon explanations etc. Occasionally there is a gem to discuss but mostly it is just plain nagative posts about mormons and mormonism.

I think that I am the most catholic poster on these threads with a good catholic message.
 
That is because he has been around here so long that he knows that that is all he has left. 😃
 
ParkerD said:
You may or may not be familiar with part of the Book of Mormon account that tells of more than one group of people who migrate north from the main group described in the account itself.
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It is my understanding that all the groups in the Book of Mormon came from the middle east, so the source of all North American people would be the middle east.
 
Stephen168 said:
Whyme pretends to know priests to try and justify bashing Catholics. It is Whyme’s only way to defend Mormonism. Most Mormons do it at some point but that is all Whyme has got.
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Where have I bashed a catholic or the catholic church? I really don’t need to defend mormonism because mormonism can defend itself. However, since so called catholics bash the mormon church by implying all sorts of things about mormons and mormonism, I feel it necessary to defend the faith of my children.
 
why_me said:
I haven’t seen much productivie dialogue on the mormon threads. We have one liners and mormon explanations, more one liners, more mormon explanations etc. Occasionally there is a gem to discuss but mostly it is just plain nagative posts about mormons and mormonism.

I think that I am the most catholic poster on these threads with a good catholic message.
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You are not Catholic. There’s a one-liner for you!

So, since you are not Catholic, you can hardly be the “most Catholic”.

While you are busy criticizing others for a myriad of things, your posts are unproductive, so, again, shouldn’t you clean up your own house before throwing stones at others?
 
Stephen168 said:
It is my understanding that all the groups in the Book of Mormon came from the middle east, so the source of all North American people would be the middle east.
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Let’s see here.

“It is my understanding that all the groups in the Book of Mormon come from the middle east.”

I can’t quarrel with you about this. If this is your understanding, who am I to tell you that it is not your understanding? You believe what you believe. I CAN, however, correct your understanding. The Book of Mormon mentions that those groups from the middle east found people who were already here–and doesn’t mention where they all came from.

OK, since your understanding is false, your premise is false—and so, then, is the conclusion.

However, just for fun, let us assume that your understanding is correct; that all the groups in the Book of Mormon come from the middle east. (remember, we have already established that they may well not; this is simply 'for the sake of argument.")

Would that mean your conclusion is valid? Why…no, actually, it doesn’t. In order to reach it, you must prove, not only that all the groups mentioned in the Book of Mormon came from the middle east, you have to prove that all the groups of people who lived in the Americas were mentioned in the Book of Mormon…that there wasn’t anybody here EXCEPT the Book of Mormon peoples.

You skipped that part. Since it is not something that the Book of Mormon claims, nor is it something that Joseph Smith claimed (or that the church claims) It’s not something you can claim on our behalf…especially when you are only inventing the claim in order to destroy it.

So…you have here begged a question, given us a faulty premise, inserted a strawman…oh, shoot, all sorts of lovely logical fallacies…that all result in a faulty conclusion.

I wonder, will you say 'thank you, I didn’t know that" and rearrange your prejudices? I predict…nope.
 
dianaiad said:
. The Book of Mormon mentions that those groups from the middle east found people who were already here–and doesn’t mention where they all came from.
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This isn’t the first conversation I’ve had with Mormons about this subject. I would have thought they would have given me chapter and verse of these other people, so if you would be so kind?
dianaiad said:
However, just for fun, let us assume that your understanding is correct; that all the groups in the Book of Mormon come from the middle east. (remember, we have already established that they may well not; this is simply 'for the sake of argument.")

Would that mean your conclusion is valid? Why…no, actually, it doesn’t. In order to reach it, you must prove, not only that all the groups mentioned in the Book of Mormon came from the middle east, you have to prove that all the groups of people who lived in the Americas were mentioned in the Book of Mormon…that there wasn’t anybody here EXCEPT the Book of Mormon peoples.

You skipped that part. Since it is not something that the Book of Mormon claims, nor is it something that Joseph Smith claimed (or that the church claims) It’s not something you can claim on our behalf…especially when you are only inventing the claim in order to destroy it.
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The Mormon Church claims about anything are fluid and can change minute to minute, but Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was the source (single) of the people of this (he was in North American when he said it) continent.
 
Stephen168 said:
Defend your faith without bashing Catholics.
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Can you show me where I have bashed catholics? You seem to make statements without support or evidence. And that is okay. I know one thing however. No such thread could exist on the mormonapologetic site. It would be closed immediately if a thread is started which states: Why are people catholic considering it is obviously false? And that says much about mormons. Such contentious threads are of the devil.
 
Stephen168 said:
The Mormon Church claims about anything are fluid and can change minute to minute, but Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was the source (single) of the people of this (he was in North American when he said it) continent.
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Stephen,

This statement reminded me of something that a family friend, a Mormon Bishop, told me years ago. I can at least confirm from what he told me that HE believed that Native Americans were of Middle Eastern origins and this is what he taught in all the positions he held up to and including the office of Bishop.

It was over a decade ago that he told me this. In the interim we have noticed, just on this forum, that certain aspects of Mormon teaching have evolved over time, so this may be a subject that, in view of more modern scientific determinations, has receded in importance (a cynical individual might say it’s being suppressed by the Mormon hierarchy ;).)

For the LDS that post on this forum ~ I got this first hand from what most LDS would consider an unimpeachable source ~ an active Mormon that achieved the office of Bishop over the years of his service to the LDS. In his private life he was an executive with an multi-national firm, so he was a very accomplished, learned man. He remained faithful till the day he died, this wasn’t a statement made by some discouraged ex-Mormon. So at least at one time it is quite obvious that this statement by Joseph Smith was taught in LDS churchbuildings.
 
mormonism, because it is based on a conspiracy theory, is suspect to begin with–it is entirely fabricated based on alleged visions or a new knowledge that only joe smith was privy to.

the scriptures never revealed secret information of how people originated on one continent or another. most scriptures were written based on first hand accounts passed down orally or by the witness themselves. there was no lost or hidden information that had to be revealed by an apparition. essentially, there is complete continuity in the scriptures starting with adam and eve until the new testament was written. it’s catholic understanding that God finally reveled himself fully in Jesus.

mormons are mormon because they want to believe, and not because mormonism is believable. the fact that they ostracize those that abandon the faith, much like muslims, only proves the point.

muslims, mormons and jw’s are all too similar. all started by evil salesman.
 
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