Why are Pride Masses allowed?

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The recent “Pride Masses” I’ve seen online seem to be Masses scheduled at times when a Pride event is happening locally in places like NYC or San Francisco, and publicized in such a way as to encourage those in town for the event to come to the Mass.

You have to be careful though because some of the videos are actually Episcopal Masses, not Catholic.
 
Thorolfr said:
But I think that a lot of gay people don’t know that they’re welcome. If they’ve been bullied in school because other kids perceive them to be gay, been mistreated by their own families and they’ve heard some Christian preachers calling gay people “abominations” and worse, they might be hesitant to go to places that aren’t explicit in indicating in some way that they’re welcome.
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I get what you are saying and agree with the point to an extent.

But how would you feel if the same logic were used to justify, say, a black mass or an autistic mass, because these people have also suffered from discrimination in the past and may similarly be afraid that the discrimination is continuing in the presence.
 
Our diocese has long has a mass for those with autism and other disabilities. Nobody disabled or otherwise would be th rilled with hearing it called an autistic mass or a disabled mass.
 
Thorolfr said:
But I think that a lot of gay people don’t know that they’re welcome.
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It would be good to go to some lengths to reassure gay people they’re welcome at Mass.
It would not be good to take measures that give the impression that there is nothing wrong with gay sex.
Which is what these “Pride Masses” sound like to me.
 
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Thorolfr:
But I think that a lot of gay people don’t know that they’re welcome. If they’ve been bullied in school because other kids perceive them to be gay, been mistreated by their own families and they’ve heard some Christian preachers calling gay people “abominations” and worse, they might be hesitant to go to places that aren’t explicit in indicating in some way that they’re welcome.
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I get what you are saying and agree with the point to an extent.

But how would you feel if the same logic were used to justify, say, a black mass or an autistic mass, because these people have also suffered from discrimination in the past and may similarly be afraid that the discrimination is continuing in the presence.
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Some people here in CAF might object to any sort of separate mass for a particular group of people, but otherwise, what would be wrong with a mass for autistic people if autistic people would feel more comfortable coming to such a mass? The same for black people. At least no one would claim that such a mass would be a celebration of autism and that this would be like celebrating fornication or adultery.
 
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We shouldn’t be proud of anything, especially inclinations towards sins.
 
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Thorolfr said:
They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided
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I’m sure almost everyone on this thread is already aware of this.
 
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Thorolfr:
They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided
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I’m sure almost everyone on this thread is already aware of this.
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I quoted this to make the point that there is nothing comparable to this for adulterers or fornicators in the Catechism which shows that the Catholic Church talks about homosexuals differently from fornicators and adulterers.
 
They are only different in that one aspect.
 
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It is not for us to judge our brothers and sisters. That is up to God alone.
We are here on this earth to give glory and praise to God in all that we say and do.
And to love and serve one another as brothers and sisters.
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We shouldn’t be proud of anything, especially inclinations towards sins.
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And in the past, what are now called “LGBT Pride Celebrations” were instead called “Gay Liberation Day Parades” which more accurately reflects the origins of those parades and celebrations.
 
If the names can change then so can the purpose.
 
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Their only different in that one aspect.
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As I said above, I don’t think that this is the case. A 12 year old can realize that he’s gay and is different from most of the other boys in his school but isn’t going to realize that he’s an adulterer and feel different and separate from the other boys because of this. The two are qualitatively different things in terms of how they are experienced in people’s lives.
 
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A more accurate or nuanced way then would be to have a Mass to celebrate people who have the inclination to commit adultery.
 
That might make sense to you but wouldn’t make sense to someone who hasn’t been going to church and doesn’t know Jesus in their lives. People have to start somewhere and if they have difficulty even getting into a church because they’re afraid to go, providing a place where they might feel safer to start doesn’t seem unreasonable.
 
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It might mean that as well. However, a Pride Mass might also mean that people who are gay are still proud to be human beings and Catholics.
 
That’s a bit of a stretched interpretation. If that is the jest though, then why not call it a Mass for Chastity or Catholicity?
 
You seem to say that as if homosexuality is something one is always undeniably born with. I may be misinterpreting or reading too deeply into your comment, but if my interpretation is correct, I’m very concerned.

More generally, why would one even need a “pride Mass”? Shouldn’t the internalized urge to commit sin be something one should strive to reject, not to be proud of? I understand priests and bishops may have positive intentions in mind and their will may be good, but I simply cannot see how having a Mass which promotes something the Church considers “intrinsically disordered” is good, both for the attendants and for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. I understand again that “spreading awareness” or “showing welcome” towards people isn’t the same as promoting them, but in this day and age, is there really anyone who isn’t aware that homosexuality is widespread? Is there really anyone who thinks gay people who try to live chaste and apostolic lives should be rejected from the Catholic Church merely because of their inclinations? I haven’t run into this before.
 
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Our diocese has long has a mass for those with autism and other disabilities. Nobody disabled or otherwise would be th rilled with hearing it called an autistic mass or a disabled mass.
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So, perhaps they should say that they are a “mass for those who are gay” or a “mass for those who are homosexuals”. And don’t use terms like “SSA” since almost no one but people in places like CAF would be familiar with that kind of terminology. It certainly wouldn’t be likely to attract outsiders or people who hadn’t been going to church in a long time.
 
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