Why are Pride Masses allowed?

[MP_Kid]

What is next? Fornicator masses or adulterer masses?

I understand as a Catholic that all are welcome. But we cannot promote sin.

 

[po18guy]

I note the recent trend toward teaching exactly one half of Church belief on the subject. The compassion and individual human dignity are stressed, but not a peep about recognizing sin for what it is, or of good old fashioned repentance.

Used to be that repentance was the first step toward eternal life. When we lose sight of that out of some sense of false compassion, or unbridled inclusion, all eventually suffer.

 

[MP_Kid]

People seem to ignore what Roman 1 says.

 

[Mintaka]

They are not “allowed.” They are just done.

The question is why bishops do not stop them, or why priests think they are a good idea.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Why don’t you write to the bishop of the diocese where you see one, and ask?

Please feel free to share any response you receive.

 

[Beryllos]

What is next? Fornicator masses or adulterer masses?

Are you okay with Masses for struggling Catholics? I would assume that there are gay Catholics who love God and are doing the best they can to live in chastity. Let’s not stand in their Way.

 

[CapitalistCatholic]

Pride implies that gay Catholics should be “proud” of their sexuality, and embrace it. Maybe a Mass for Chastity or something along those lines would help better.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

Are you okay with Masses for struggling Catholics? I would assume that there are gay Catholics who love God and are doing the best they can to live in chastity. Let’s not stand in their Way.

Except that’s not even close to what these masses are. These masses are celebrations of homosexuality. they promote it as a positive thing, and complete ignore the Church’s teachings on the subject.

 

[LawyersGunsAndMoney]

I agree, but I can’t help wonder how long before someone responds “what is this obsession with lgbt on CAF!? Is this the sin of all sins?! Everyone is a sinner!”… maybe because it’s still early in the query. These are the responses I’ve read recently thrown at a person just asking a genuine question. For some people, this is their first visit on CAF, they’re not regulars so those answers are ridiculously unhelpful, if in fact the posts are supposed to be helpful vs just get accolades from other regulars.
I don’t have an answer to your question but this seems to be the climate these days.

That’s unfair. The thread to which you seem to be referring was asking a very different question.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I flagged your post because not only has no one on this thread except you expressed this viewpoint yet, your claiming that people post a reasonable viewpoint just to get “accolades from other regulars” is unfair and wrong.

People post a reasonable viewpoint because that is their viewpoint. If you don’t like it, you’re free to disagree with it, but it’s bizarre that you’d claim people post their honest views on a hot button topic just to get likes from other members when it’s just as likely to draw flags and contentious disagreement.

 

[LawyersGunsAndMoney]

I gave you a like, Bear, since we know that’s what you were really after anyway…

 

[Beryllos]

Pride implies that gay Catholics should be “proud” of their sexuality, and embrace it. Maybe a Mass for Chastity or something along those lines would help better.

Except that’s not even close to what these masses are. These masses are celebrations of homosexuality. they promote it as a positive thing, and complete ignore the Church’s teachings on the subject.

I have never seen a Pride Mass, so I couldn’t guess whether the pride is in the homosexual inclination, which is not a sin, or in a sexually active lifestyle.

I think a person may justifiably be proud of the way God made him or her, and may rightly seek the fellowship and support of other Catholics who struggle with the same issues.

 

[Genesis315]

I prefer Sloth Masses myself.

 

[MarthaSo]

No it is fair because the questions which get the same canned rude response of “why are Catholics so focused on lgbt as if it’s the greatest sin” ALSO vary quite a bit, they are very different I’ve seen but get treated the same.

 

[Thorolfr]

What is next? Fornicator masses or adulterer masses?

I understand as a Catholic that all are welcome. But we cannot promote sin.

Even the Catholic Church seems to recognize that being gay is different from being a fornicator or an adulterer. There is a document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith entitled, “Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons,” but I don’t think that there is any comparable letter on the “pastoral care of adulterers” or the “pastoral care of fornicators”. And the Catechism says about homosexuals: “They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.” I doubt that anywhere in the Catechism is there a similar admonition to accept fornicators or adulterers with “respect, compassion and sensitivity”. That’s probably because fornicators and adulterers haven’t been the objects of unjust discrimination and even violence in the same way as gay people.

Adultery or fornication are seen to be actions whereas I think that society has come to perceive someone’s sexual orientation to be an important and intrinsic part of who they are which exists regardless of whether it is acted upon. Many people who are gay realize that they are different from most of their peers when they are about 12 or 13, often long before they ever engage in any kind of sexual activity. This kind of self awareness of being different even in childhood is not something that adulterers or fornicators experience.

 

[MarthaSo]

No, I never claimed the responses were reasonable, I claimed they were rude and I stand by it, hearts or not. Have a nice day!

 

[1Lord1Faith]

I can’t find any info on these so called ‘pride’ masses. I don’t know what they are about.

 

[Zaccheus]

MP_Kid:

What is next? Fornicator masses or adulterer masses?

Are you okay with Masses for struggling Catholics? I would assume that there are gay Catholics who love God and are doing the best they can to live in chastity. Let’s not stand in their Way.

Gay people are welcome to attend Mass. That is not the same thing as having a “Gay Mass”.

 

[Thorolfr]

I can’t find any info on these so called ‘pride’ masses. I don’t know what they are about.

Not too long ago, someone posted something about their priest holding “LGBT Vespers”. I suspect that this is done not so much to celebrate being LGBT but to let people in that community know that this will be a safe place for them where they will not experience any kind of hostility.

 

[Thorolfr]

Gay people are welcome to attend Mass.

But I think that a lot of gay people don’t know that they’re welcome. If they’ve been bullied in school because other kids perceive them to be gay, been mistreated by their own families and they’ve heard some Christian preachers calling gay people “abominations” and worse, they might be hesitant to go to places that aren’t explicit in indicating in some way that they’re welcome.