Why are promarijuana people so mean?

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deb1 said:
Why would smoking pot on be less moral then drinking an occasional beer. I am not speaking about an addicted or abusive use but just a rare joint now and then.
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One can drink a beer without getting drunk. Can one smoke a joint without getting high? Would one even smoke a joint if they couldn’t get high from it?

Note: I have never been drunk or high, so my knowledge on the practical aspects is quite limited.
 
Timidity said:
One can drink a beer without getting drunk. Can one smoke a joint without getting high? Would one even smoke a joint if they couldn’t get high from it?

Note: I have never been drunk or high, so my knowledge on the practical aspects is quite limited.
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you drink alcohol, you feel it. Drunk is the point where you feel it so much that you don’t really have control.You control how much you feel by how much you drink

You smoke weed(i don’t like saying just joint, there are many ways of smoking it), you choose how much it affects you by choosing how much you smoke.

From my experience, weed isn’t as harmful as alcohol, people on weed are much better to be around than people who are drunk. Someone smoking weed isn’t likely to start a fight or being too stupid, they’re just chilling and having fun. People on alcohol are more prone to do really really stupid things, fight and start stuff. Alcohol, before you get to the puking part, takes away your inhibitions and common sense. Not saying that weed can’t do that, but weed is more relaxing and chilling, you can get paranoid, but you can just calm down too.

anyway, I don’t think weed should be illegal unless you’re going to make all potentially harmful substances illegal, and Prohibition proved that that just doesn’t work, and exactly who is supposed to determine what is harmful and what isn’t? but it’s really not that big of a deal to me.
 
Timidity said:
One can drink a beer without getting drunk. Can one smoke a joint without getting high? Would one even smoke a joint if they couldn’t get high from it?

Note: I have never been drunk or high, so my knowledge on the practical aspects is quite limited.
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I only tried pot back when I was 19. It seemed dumb to me so my experiementation was short lived. So, it is difficult for me to say if one can smoke pot without getting high. I just don’t have enough personal experience in this regard to answer the question.

I have been drunk a couple of times. It was an unenjoyable experience and stands out more strongly then my experiment with marijuana. With alcohol the room turned in circles, and I vomited. Plus I could tell that I was not in control. I hated the feeling and a couple of times was enough to heal me of any desire for this experience.😦
 
you drink alcohol, you feel it. Drunk is the point where you feel it so much that you don’t really have control.You control how much you feel by how much you drink

You smoke weed(i don’t like saying just joint, there are many ways of smoking it), you choose how much it affects you by choosing how much you smoke.

This is a quote from above, I obviously don’t have this quote function down yet:)

I respectfully disagree. I can drink a glass of wine with dinner and not feel it. It is tastes good and has other redeeming qualities rather than just the intention to get drunk.

In my experience the only reason to smoke pot is to get high. There are no other pleasures to pot. Even if it’s medicinal your intention is still to get high. So why would you choose to smoke only enought NOT to get high. Defeats the purpose.

However you can choose to enjoy alcohol without the intention of getting drunk, and can avoid the effects of alcohol by stopping.

BTW - I enjoyed Ray Scheel’s post! Very thought provoking and good points!
 
deb1 said:
The key is if you are abusing the substance.

My family has suffered various addictions both the alcohol and prescription drugs. I think that certain individuals are genetically at risk to developing addictions and should avoid many substances. Heck some people can get addicted to sex. Yet simply because there are a people who abuse sex, alcohol and prescription drugs does not mean that we should make these things illegal.
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It is not a matter of which substances to make illegal, but which substances to legalize. Where do you draw the line of which addictive substances to legalize? Is it not both a subjective and objective determination when one is “abusing the substance”? How is it determined when one is abusing a substance? Jesus consumed alcohol. Do you think that there was a reason why he did not socially, recreationally or sacramentally partake in the use of other mood-mind altering addictive substances.
 
setter said:
It is not a matter of which substances to make illegal, but which substances to legalize. Where do you draw the line of which addictive substances to legalize? Is it not both a subjective and objective determination when one is “abusing the substance”? How is it determined when one is abusing a substance? Jesus consumed alcohol. Do you think that there was a reason why he did not socially, recreationally or sacramentally partake in the use of other mood-mind altering addictive substances.
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Perhaps marijuana use was not something that was normally done in his culture, so this is a situation in which we can not say WWJD, because we can’t know.

I don’t mean to be dense but isn’t alcohol a mood-mind altering potentially addictive substance?
 
deb1 said:
Perhaps marijuana use was not something that was normally done in his culture, so this is a situation in which we can not say WWJD, because we can’t know.
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I suspect that there is a sound reason why marijuana has not been wholesale used or legalized throughout history and across cultures.
I don’t mean to be dense but isn’t alcohol a mood-mind altering potentially addictive substance?
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As you pointed out, many substances and activities have abusive/addictive potential if not used in moderation. I suspect that there is a sound reason why Jesus had no problem with producing and drinking alcoholic beverage to the exclusion of other addictive substances.
 
My brother-in-law is addicted to both substances. He is a functional alcoholic, meaning he can stay dry long enough to hold a job and care for his son. But when he turns to M.J. ( I like that abbreviation BTW) he is non-functional. If you were to take them away, it is the pot he gets most angry about.

It is said that alcohol intensifies your personality. It is said that M.J. alters your personality. I find this true in my brother-in-law. He is one to get in fights while drinking. He is also one to get in fights while sober if he is pushed far enough. He gets very stupid while high. He won’t drive drunk but will drive high.

He can have sensible discussions on the dangers of alcohol, but will get mean and really inappropriate while high. I think his alcohol dependency is about depression. His M.J. dependency seems to be to try to alter his natural depression. It’s very sad.

Cut the mean pro-marijuana people some slack. They might be in an altered state when they are being mean. Hope and pray and don’t take it personally.
 
Ray_Scheel said:
I have an unorthodox position but bear with me on it. I think we should restore the legal production of hemp crops, but retain a prohibition against commercial sale of “smokable” product and seed lines targeted for THC content, and keep m.j. use in the drug tests for employment, etc.

History: During the colonial period the value of hemp as a crop was so great that major landowners often had a statutory requirement to devote part of their land to hemp production. The prohibition against growing the commercial strains was pushed to a great extent by the cotton and agro-chem lobbies; since hemp is a native plant it grows well with very little chemical supplementation and was a strong competitor to cotton in the food oil and fiber markets.

The commercial fiber and oil crop strains are selected for properties other than the THC content of their flowers, to the point that the quantity smoked necessary to show an effect would be as much oxygen deprivation as what was induced by THC. Further, the crops are planted a densities that discourage flowering (the part that is smoked) except at the fringes of the field.

Two side benefits:
  1. Most people (kids) just wanting to experiment will most often choose the free option of swiping low-power flowers from Farmer Brown’s field rather than going to a drug dealer for their M.J. That in turn would put a real crimp in the normal pattern of M.J. turning into a gateway for harder drugs by eliminating the M.J. experimenters from having to be introduced to the local drug dealers while also making them wonder what the big deal was as their amateur attempts at processing the flowers themselves would probably not go real well…
  2. Those individuals still attempting to grow small batches of higher-THC M.J. outdoors will find their seed lines rapidly diluted by the massive fields of the industrial stuff as commercial production ramps up.
Added: the idea would probably initially appeal to the pot-heads, but they would only realize after the fact that its going to dry up most of their access to “good” pot. I do agree with the OP that much of the mainstream pro-m.j. crowd is way serious / lacking humor, but that is their dependence and denial talking.
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You know what else would happen?? The government would save a lot of money that it spends on flying helicopters around here (upstate NY).
There were all kinds of hemp crops grown in this area, when it was still legal, & one of the 1st signs of spring around here, is the helicopters circling overhead, flying low…They land someplace where they** think** they see marijuana growing, & make a big show of mountains of “evidence”, and all it ever turns out to be, is that some of the hemp has gone wild from years of no one growing it…They show the pictures in the paper of the “burning of marijuana”, completely ignoring the fact that it **isn’t **marijuana, it’s plain old hemp. Not to mention, that if it were, burning it would have:rolleyes: half the county:whacky: :whacky: :whacky: :whacky: on the smoke.
 
Seconding, thirding, what others have said: you don’t smoke marijuana except to get high. You can have a drink or two and not feel it.

In relation to this thread, I wonder if anyone else listens to Michael Medved. Just yesterday, he was talking about marijuana and pointing out that callers who regularly use pot all tend to have the same sloooow sort of speech patterns, like they’re still fl–ooaa–ting peacefully somewhere, with a lot of pauses and ‘ums,’ and difficulty putting together a logical thought. I didn’t hear the actual montage, but he mentioned he’d put one together, of a number of pot-smoking callers, in which you can hear this. I hear these callers, and there is without a doubt a strong pattern. It would appear the marijuans IS having permanent, long-term affects, as another poster has already mentioned.

Another thought: there’s a reason for the stereotype of the 35 year old still living in his mother’s basement smoking pot. 😃 Yes, yes, I am well aware that not everyone who smokes pot lives in their mother’s basement. That’s why it’s a generalization. But you simply don’t hear about people living in their mother’s basements who enjoy a glass of wine with dinner on occasion! 😛
 
LittleDeb said:
Cut the mean pro-marijuana people some slack. They might be in an altered state when they are being mean. Hope and pray and don’t take it personally.
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I think that I might be pro-marijuana as I think that it should be legalized and taxed heavily. I am not in an altered state because I don’t smoke the stuff.
 
deb1 said:
I think that I might be pro-marijuana as I think that it should be legalized and taxed heavily. I am not in an altered state because I don’t smoke the stuff.
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Yes, and you aren’t mean. 🙂 I can see the law going in that direction. I, too, would support heavy taxation if that were the direction our law goes in, but I personally hope it doesn’t.
 
deb1 said:
I think that I might be pro-marijuana as I think that it should be legalized and taxed heavily. I am not in an altered state because I don’t smoke the stuff.
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Same here; I don’t think it should be illegal but I won’t touch the stuff since I react really badly to it. And with the sort of taxes the government could slap on the sale of marijuana, they’re missing out on crazy gobs of money.

One of the arguments presented for the illegalization of marijuana in the early 20th century was that it ‘might make a black man look twice at a white woman’. It wasn’t that THC was a mood-altering chemical, it was that it was perceived as a black drug. Much the same logic led to the criminalization of opium – a ‘Chinese’ drug. Do we really want to keep that sort of legacy around?
 
ktp said:
Seconding, thirding, what others have said: you don’t smoke marijuana except to get high. You can have a drink or two and not feel it.

In relation to this thread, I wonder if anyone else listens to Michael Medved. Just yesterday, he was talking about marijuana and pointing out that callers who regularly use pot all tend to have the same sloooow sort of speech patterns, like they’re still fl–ooaa–ting peacefully somewhere, with a lot of pauses and ‘ums,’ and difficulty putting together a logical thought. I didn’t hear the actual montage, but he mentioned he’d put one together, of a number of pot-smoking callers, in which you can hear this. I hear these callers, and there is without a doubt a strong pattern. It would appear the marijuans IS having permanent, long-term affects, as another poster has already mentioned.

Another thought: there’s a reason for the stereotype of the 35 year old still living in his mother’s basement smoking pot. 😃 Yes, yes, I am well aware that not everyone who smokes pot lives in their mother’s basement. That’s why it’s a generalization. But you simply don’t hear about people living in their mother’s basements who enjoy a glass of wine with dinner on occasion! 😛
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Um, I have to chime in here, for two reasons.
  1. I am looking into the process for getting medical marijuana because of chronic back pain (and yes, I have tried, well, everything else, so let’s not go there, OK?)
  2. This was the subject of a term paper I wrote for my English class when I was going to community college.
The “35 year old living in the parent’s basement” stereotype, as well as many of the other problems attributed to mj, have little or no basis in fact.

The signs of “amotivational syndrome” very closely parallel the symptoms of depression, and most of the research has indicated that the amotivated pot smoker is self-medicating for deprsssion, and it is that condition, not the weed, that is responsible for the lack of motivation.

Most of the studies that show mj’s supposed “harm” have used biased methodologies, and even oughtright fraud, to get their result. They generalize results from the tiny minority (we’re talking maybe 1%) of pot smokers who suck down eight joints a day to the majority who may take a few puffs after dinner the way most folks might have a glass or two of wine.

The Institute of Medicine (the gummint’s own scientists) has determined that mj causes minimal harm, certainly much less than tobacco or alcohol, and has recommended that mj be taken off Schedule 1.

IMO, the only reason that pot is still illegal is because it can be used to treat, or at least alleviate the symptoms of a wide variety of ailments, but because it is a natural plant, the pharmaceutical companies can’t patent it and reap outrageous profits. Therefore, it would prove to be a cheap and effective alternative to many of the pills and potions big pharma cooks up, and, hey, we can’t have people choosing to use an inexpensive natural alternative when they should be doing their duty as consumers and lining the pharmaceutical companies’ executive pockets.
 
Once, in my misspent youth, I smoked marijuana. (Cut me a break: It was the '60s).
I at once perceived that I should write the Great American Novel, and sat down with a notebook & pen to begin this Life and World Changing Epic.
When I looked at my Deathless Prose the next morning, it went something like this:

:eek: “Kthe Ksunlight Kon Kthe Ktrees Klit Kup Kher Kface.”

It’s a:rolleyes: shame I never finished it…NOT.
 
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