Why are Protestant Ministers who are well educated in the faith Joining the Catholic Church?

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LilyM said:
Aah, but Jesus certainly = institution. Firstly the church (not churches and not undiferentiated believers) is His body, scripture tells us so. Actually, Paul already speaks of existence of other churches

Secondly He said to the Apostles ‘who hears you hears me’ - how do we hear the Apostles today? Not all of what they taught was written, for sure, but we must hear and accept it all. but there is no indication that was an eternal edict.

The way we hear them (and Him) today is through their successors by laying on of hands. We know that Matthias was appointed and laid hands on to succeed to Judas’ apostolic office - and with it he took on this apostolic charism of speaking in Christ’s name.

He and the other apostles in their turn appointed others to succeed to their Apostolic office. And so on in unbroken and traceable line down to our own Catholic bishops.
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I am not sure it is that uncut and unbroken. Church history has numerous gray areas of multiple popes.
 
CWBetts said:
Christianity is the biggest.The only way Isla, can be considered the biggest is if you take all sects of islam together, while splitting Christianity into sects.
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Well, yes… I do consider mormonism and jehovah’s witnesses etc different as they are very different.
 
Chancellare said:
  1. Sola Scriptura is a doctrine introduced for the purpose of attacking the Teaching Office of the Church. Either you follow it or not. If you do, you must accept all its consequences, including the ones you disavow about not in conflict with Scripture. If not, you can’t be a Protestant any more than a black swan.
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This is a really interesting statement. And I want to understand your POV better. Are you saying that by accepting SS, I can only accept those teachings directly found in scripture, and can look to no other source? For example, I generally accept the 4 Marion doctrines as true, even though they are not explicit in scripture. Does that mean I can nolonger be a protestant (or a black swan 😃 )?

Jon
 
redeemedbyJesus said:
Well, yes… I do consider mormonism and jehovah’s witnesses etc different as they are very different.
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Not including Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, thwere aew 2.2 billion Christians in the world, compared with 1,2 billion Muslims
 
JonNC said:
This is a really interesting statement. And I want to understand your POV better. Are you saying that by accepting SS, I can only accept those teachings directly found in scripture, and can look to no other source? For example, I generally accept the 4 Marion doctrines as true, even though they are not explicit in scripture. Does that mean I can nolonger be a protestant (or a black swan 😃 )?

Jon
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Then you have just reached the right conclusion: SS is wrong!
Welcome then to Cathollicism:D !
 
avenger said:
I am not sure it is that uncut and unbroken. Church history has numerous gray areas of multiple popes.
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Even if there are gray areas in Church history during middle ages, it is not enough to obliterate Apostolic Succession because it has already taken place and has continued to take place.
 
Chancellare said:
Then you have just reached the right conclusion: SS is wrong!
Welcome then to Cathollicism:D !
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😛 😛 Give me just a little more time on that, but thanks for the welcome. Seriously.

Here’s my point: Lutherans have always used the Creeds, we accept the first six councils, and our confessional documents have many references to the ECF’s. IOW, we do not reject Sacred or even oral tradition unless it conflicts with scripture. The brand of SS that prohibits anything but scripture is more correctly called solo scriptura.

Jon
 
Doesn’t this go back to the question of Authority??? What was Jesus’ plan for His followers??
 
JonNC said:
😛 😛 Give me just a little more time on that, but thanks for the welcome. Seriously.

Here’s my point: Lutherans have always used the Creeds, we accept the first six councils, and our confessional documents have many references to the ECF’s. IOW, we do not reject Sacred or even oral tradition unless it conflicts with scripture. The brand of SS that prohibits anything but scripture is more correctly called solo scriptura.

Jon
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I see your point and respect it.
However, why content yourself with the gravy when you can partake of the main dish?
 
I need clarification on one of the points in this discussion. Where is Tradition in conflict with Scripture???
 
acw said:
I need clarification on one of the points in this discussion. Where is Tradition in conflict with Scripture???
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many places…research your traditions by comparing them to Scripture, you will find them wanting.
 
avenger said:
many places…research your traditions by comparing them to Scripture, you will find them wanting.
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Name one. Many of the Traditions were a part of the Church before the Canon. Sola Scriptura is NOT a Catholic Tradition.
Where was the source of Authority before the Canon?? Didn’t Jesus give us the Spirit to guide us in Truth until the end of time?
 
avenger said:
Correct, Truth=Jesus, not Truth=Institution
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Jesus established His Kingdom on Earth that is not an institution–it is the Bride of Christ.It is alive protected and led in Truth by the Holy Spirit whom Jesus sent when He returned to the Father.
He left us the path to Holiness in His Church.:twocents:
 
acw said:
Name one. Many of the Traditions were a part of the Church before the Canon. Sola Scriptura is NOT a Catholic Tradition.
Where was the source of Authority before the Canon?? Didn’t Jesus give us the Spirit to guide us in Truth until the end of time?
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Explain 1 Timothy 4, where Paul tells Timothy to read and teach from Scripture. Come now, really
 
acw said:
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Jesus established His Kingdom on Earth that is not an institution–it is the Bride of Christ.It is alive protected and led in Truth by the Holy Spirit whom Jesus sent when He returned to the Father.
He left us the path to Holiness in His Church.:twocents:
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whatever…
 
He was referring to the Old Testament as that was the only Scripture.
What about 1 timothy 3:15? The Pillar and foundation if Truth is
the Church? ( The Scripture quote could be wrong-my bible is in the car waiting for a trip to the Adoration Chapel) What about Paul when he talks about learn fromall that I have taught you–the oral tradition?

I thought Scott Hahn, Tim Staples, Rosalind Moss, Jeff Cavins, Marcus Grodi, Al Kresta, Fr. John Henry Neumann, Steve Ray, et al had answered this objection about Authority and Sola Scriptura in their conversions. Maybe you need to read their studies of these topics. I am not an apologist.
 
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