Why are so many Catholics pro-gay and pro-abortion?

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I notice alot of Catholics dont see anything wrong with abortion or gay marriage. Why is this?
The Church clearly teaches that abortion is murder and it’s a very grave sin against God and human life. Homosexual marriage goes against God’s design for marriage between a man and a woman for procreation.
Do the Catholics that support this just not care? or is it out of ignorance of what the Church teaches?
 
Because they are bad Catholics who choose not to follow Church teaching. They think they know better than the Church on these matters and think the Church’s view is just their opinion and that the opinion needs to be changed. So it is a bit of both “don’t care” and ignorance of Church teaching.

But a lot of it probably has to do with being poorly catechized by their parents.
 
I think it is mostly because they had weak catechesis, and also secular society can be very convincing with their propaganda.
 
Catholics do not know their faith – this is a huge problem in this country. Something happened in this country post Vatican II where we stopped teaching the Baltimore Catechism and somehow sin hasn’t held the same weight as it had in the past so combining the two not knowing the faith and sin has been taken lightly you have a lot of Catholics who themselves decide what is right and wrong. There is no sense of sin anymore. People think they are fine because they don’t kill people. Well that’s a great start but you are cutting out work early, you cheat on your spouse using Facebook, you lie constantly. You spend more time on the computer then you do speaking with God or praying so you are now made the computer your God ( I don’t mean at work) . When you try to tell people this they don’t want to hear it because you don’t understand and you too dogmatic. All I know is that eating the forbidden fruit took Jesus dying on the cross to redeem man from that sin and that only 8 people were invited on the Ark and Jesus himself said, “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.”
 
mjb472012 said:
I notice alot of Catholics dont see anything wrong with abortion or gay marriage. Why is this?
The Church clearly teaches that abortion is murder and it’s a very grave sin against God and human life. Homosexual marriage goes against God’s design for marriage between a man and a woman for procreation.
Do the Catholics that support this just not care? or is it out of ignorance of what the Church teaches?
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Not sure about abortion, but in terms of gay marriage: Many young people are growing up in a world where it’s possible they have several openly gay friends. Even to the extent that they know perfectly well the CC’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage, they’re in an emotional bind. How does one square those friendships with their faith’s insistence that gays be denied the right to marry one another? Especially when their faith also tells them things like “Love thy neighbor” and “Judge not, lest ye be judged” - the sorts of things that can be interpreted and applied any number of ways.

Frankly, I think it’s a game the Catholic Church is all but guaranteed to lose. A lot of young Catholics will probably end up leaving the faith, or at best, devolve into Cafeteria Catholics, basically just going through the motions.
 
mfrances said:
I think it is mostly because they had weak catechesis, and also secular society can be very convincing with their propaganda.
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I’d also add that, for Catholics in the U.S. anyway, we all see people in the public eye (such as politicians) who vocally identify themselves as Catholic, yet also are pro-choice and advocate for LGBT causes, like gay-marriage. For those who aren’t well-formed in the faith (either not knowing what the Church teaches on these issues, or believing that following it is somehow optional), they may believe that they can be faithful Catholics and support these issues which at least a sizable chunk of society has given the ‘thumbs up’ to.

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Giants said:
Not sure about abortion, but in terms of gay marriage: Many young people are growing up in a world where it’s possible they have several openly gay friends. Even to the extent that they know perfectly well the CC’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage, they’re in an emotional bind. How does one square those friendships with their faith’s insistence that gays be denied the right to marry one another? Especially when their faith also tells them things like “Love thy neighbor” and “Judge not, lest ye be judged” - the sorts of things that can be interpreted and applied any number of ways.

Frankly, I think it’s a game the Catholic Church is all but guaranteed to lose. A lot of young Catholics will probably end up leaving the faith, or at best, devolve into Cafeteria Catholics, basically just going through the motions.
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I’ve never understood why this is. I have a few openly gay friends. They know what I think about their lifestyle, but it has very little affect on our friendship. Prudence is the word of the day on that one.

As to the OP, as many have stated, it’s because many people don’t understand the church’s teachings on the subject; they were either poorly catechized as a child, or simply don’t understand the problem. We should pray for the ones that do understand and still choose to reject; they are the ones in true peril.
 
Giants said:
Not sure about abortion, but in terms of gay marriage: Many young people are growing up in a world where it’s possible they have several openly gay friends. Even to the extent that they know perfectly well the CC’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage, they’re in an emotional bind. How does one square those friendships with their faith’s insistence that gays be denied the right to marry one another? Especially when their faith also tells them things like “Love thy neighbor” and “Judge not, lest ye be judged” - the sorts of things that can be interpreted and applied any number of ways.

Frankly, I think it’s a game the Catholic Church is all but guaranteed to lose. A lot of young Catholics will probably end up leaving the faith, or at best, devolve into Cafeteria Catholics, basically just going through the motions.
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The truth never loses. That is why the Catholic Church has survived every presecution whether phyically or doctrinally since the day Jesus died on the Cross.
 
People also do not understand the covenant of marriage any more and how serious that covenant is to God. Marriage has been attacked since the Protestants introduced divorce into the United States. The Catholic Church does not recognize divorce because Jesus forbid it. You can get secular divorce but you wont ever get on from the Church.
 
Giants said:
Not sure about abortion, but in terms of gay marriage: Many young people are growing up in a world where it’s possible they have several openly gay friends. Even to the extent that they know perfectly well the CC’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage, they’re in an emotional bind. How does one square those friendships with their faith’s insistence that gays be denied the right to marry one another? Especially when their faith also tells them things like “Love thy neighbor” and “Judge not, lest ye be judged” - the sorts of things that can be interpreted and applied any number of ways.
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I couldn’t agree more. I think though, it leads back to proper catechism. At least that way young (and not so young) Catholics will be able to reconcile the Church’s teachings within their own minds, never mind vocalizing them to others. But then there’s the emotional component that you brought up. I’m in my 20s, and am Facebook friends with a lot of acquaintances from school. During the election (U.S.) my newsfeed was full of posts from acquaintances who support gay marriage. Personally, this didn’t change my mind, but it does make it hard to to find the courage to swim up stream and present the Church’s side of the issue (charitably, and gently, or course). Especially when you’re not sure if even fellow Catholics would support you. I didn’t have the courage and kept my mouth shut.

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It is because these evils are currently in vogue in the secular world. We are all products of our culture to some degree, and many Catholics these days unfortunately dissent from the teachings of their Church in order to affirm what the world is telling them is good.

Why is this problem apparently bigger today than in the past? I think that’s a very complicated subject. For one thing, past centuries in the history of the Church were often not as great as we sometimes imagine. For another, modern communications technology has made so much information available to most of us that errors have an easier time reaching Catholics while too often Catholic education has simultaneously become substanceless.

Another problem is quite frankly everything that took place in the 60s and 70s. Some of these things, like the Second Vatican Council, were very good things in themselves, but the net affect of the whole era, with its mix of good and bad, was to produce a generation of Catholics that did not take Church doctrine and discipline seriously. This generation remains dominant in many parishes and schools today, and have raised new generations of Catholics in their rather shallow interpretation of Catholicism. Some of these younger Catholics become copies of the boomer Catholics, but most become apathetic. You can only hear so many “let’s just be nice to each other” homilies before you start tuning them out. These younger Catholics tend to think they know all they need to know about Catholicism, and that they must go elsewhere for anything with substance and credibility.

Note: Any characterization of a whole generation will be simplified and will not typify every single member of that generation. I’m just speaking of the broadest possible terms about what has happened over the last fifty years, or how it appears to me anyway.
 
KP3243 said:
The truth never loses. That is why the Catholic Church has survived every presecution whether phyically or doctrinally since the day Jesus died on the Cross.
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While I might agree that the truth never loses, I’m pretty sure that’s not the reason the Catholic Church has survived for so long.
 
Because they are weak. It’s easier to go along with the flow, rather than be singled out and ridiculed by a vocal opposition; no matter how absurd their stance may be.
 
KP3243 said:
The truth never loses. That is why the Catholic Church has survived every presecution whether phyically or doctrinally since the day Jesus died on the Cross.
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Giants said:
While I might agree that the truth never loses, I’m pretty sure that’s not the reason the Catholic Church has survived for so long.
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OFF TOPIC: Then what IS the reason, Mr. Giants Man?
 
KP3243 said:
The truth never loses. That is why the Catholic Church has survived every presecution whether phyically or doctrinally since the day Jesus died on the Cross.
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That’s what we always have on our side, and I think it is indeed part of why we have survived so many periods of political and philosophical turmoil.

Right now all the prejudices of contemporary Western Civilization are against an authentic concept of marriage, for example, but we have the truth about human nature on our side, and that truth will out eventually. By that time though some other error, which none of today’s “progressives” would dream of endorsing, will presumably have come into fashion. And there will probably be some “conservatives” for a long time afterwards who continue to advocate “marriage equality.” Conservatives are always trying to preserve or restore the last revolution.
 
rfournier103 said:
OFF TOPIC: Then what IS the reason, Mr. Giants Man?
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Well, at least in terms of America, it’s because you live in secular nation governed by a godless Constitution which explicitly prohibits laws being written that respect any establishment of religion.

Were this not the case, the last 200+ years would’ve witnessed a religious arms race in the halls of power in this country, with Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Jews, Muslims, and all manner of other faiths vying against one another to get their version of The Truth hammered into law. Considering that a Catholic couldn’t even get elected President until 1960, it stands to reason that you would not have fared so well in this alternate history.
 
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