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Glad you enjoyed it! I think it explains the large part that indoctrination plays in the forming of the Muslim mind.
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staffsgt7
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Exactly. Thanks for the article.
It tells us in a subtle way why Muslims have to deceive us about it too! Because it IS a mess.
I found this line very interesting and even more so because these are British Muslims who have every opportunity to find out the truth before the ills of Islam take over completely.
Basically it is a very good article and I could quote the whole thing since it has a lot of VERY GOOD points.
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staffsgt7
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I don’t know how anyone can get anything nice out of the Koran. Did you read Booklover’s web link? Did you read the link that I provided to you that even the people on this website must agree to or else it wouldn’t be made available?
You actually sound like two of the points in booklover’s post: points # 6 and 8 (go read them, they are interesting)
How do you interpret these verses since there is a BIG disconnect going on between what you are reading and what I am reading (and keep in mind these verses I will cut/paste replaced those peaceful surahs).
Surah 3:151: We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers.
Surah 8:55: For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who disbelieve.
Surah 4:101: The unbelievers are your open enemy.
(in case you don’t know the unbelievers are non-Muslims)
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I got an interesting email in my inbox today:
Islam is violent says Obama’s new pastor, Carey Cash.
It sure is a change to the previous pastor that says we are the violent ones.
Islam is violent says Obama’s new pastor, Carey Cash.
It sure is a change to the previous pastor that says we are the violent ones.
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Booklover
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Yes, I think it’s really good too.
Here’s that proves that Islam was violent from its inception and not as Muslims like Planten keep claiming, that it comes from misunderstanding of its teachings.
*"*Islam was a violent religion from its inception and a religion designed to and which did spread by force of arms.
An early eighth century Muslim Jihadist was documented making statements to a Sasanian King that reveal Islam’s true nature. Keep in mind that this Sasanian King would have been a Zoroastrian and, therefore, subject to the treatment outlined in verse 9:29 of the Qur’an. If critics of Islam are correct in their understanding of real Islam, one would, therefore, expect the early eighth century Jihadist to present his case in line with what appears to be the clear dictate of the Qur’an’s tribute verse (9:29) and that is exactly what history recorded. The Jihadist invited the Sasanian King to embrace Islam and warned him as follows:
“If you refuse, you must pay the tribute (jizya). This is bad thing but not as bad as the alternative; if you refuse to pay, it will be war. If you respond positively and embrace our religion, we will leave you with the Book of God [Qur’an]and teach you its contents. Provided that you govern according to the rules included in it, we shall leave your country and let you deal with its affairs as you please. If you protect yourself against us by paying the tribute, we will accept it from you and guarantee your safety. Otherwise we shall fight you.” (Quoted by Hugh Kennedy, The Great Arab Conquests, p. 51, citing Al-Numan b. al-Muqarrin; Tabari, Ta’rikh, I:2240.)
Note how all of the arguments presented by Islamic apologists fall apart upon review of the foregoing quote. This early Muslim Jihadist spoke classical Arabic so there can be no claim that he misunderstood Islam because he was reading a “translation” of the Qur’an. At that time it is doubtful that many, if any, translations of the Qur’an existed. There can also be no question that verse 9:29 of the Qur’an does not refer to defensive warfare or the rules for ending a defensive war as the Muslim Jihadist makes it clear that war will begin if the conditions are not met and the context makes it clear that he is not addressing a situation wherein the Muslims have been attacked and are trying to settle an existing, defensive war. Besides, the universally accepted historical record is that the early Muslims attacked the Sasanian Empire without provocation. Finally, the Jihadist’s bellicose statements makes it clear that nothing in Islamic doctrine modifies or softens the clear violent mandate of chapter nine of the Qur’an."
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camerong
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I wasn’t kidding when I said I’m not going to respond to anything substantive you argue. Perhaps when you stop calling me a liar, and can debate respectfully, we can resume discussion. But until you retract your many earlier statements, count me out of any conversation in which you are involved.
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Not be rude or anything, Camerong, but claims that you aren’t going to respond to a particular post are a lot more convincing when you don’t respond to said post in order to say that you won’t respond to it.
It’s easier to just mentally call it a draw, as I have done in the conversation that you and I had earlier when it became clear that we are both too far entrenched in our respective viewpoints to make further discussion anything more than a rehash over previously covered territory, at best.
It’s easier to just mentally call it a draw, as I have done in the conversation that you and I had earlier when it became clear that we are both too far entrenched in our respective viewpoints to make further discussion anything more than a rehash over previously covered territory, at best.
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Thanks. It is a matter of how they define the words they use. If they switch meanings of offensive and defensive then they can get away with anything. Our societys are letting them get away with this instead of calling them to be accountable. They also revise history in this way. And our useful idiots just follow along instead of trying to find out the truth.
These two words are not the only words they switch the meanings in order to fool others.
In that article, if you switch your brain into ‘muslim mode’ you will read it differently. You will read it as the unbelievers being offered the choice to be saved and become Muslims, pay the jizya and accept subjugation since they are allowed to keep their pathetic religions if they are people of the book, or the Muslim holy warriors will open up their world to Islam by force because Allah is making them do it, and that means it is a just and holy cause. The arrogance of the unbelievers to think they are superior to Islam and Allah’s holy warriors. And if they have to kill them and let Allah send them to the fires of hell, then their women will be slaves to the holy warriors and new Muslims will come from them. If they fight and die or become martyrs for Allah they are considered the holiest of warriors. Allahs will be done.
Sick huh? Do we all know why infidels are not supposed to read the Koran and other texts of Islam? It seems the internet has been our luck and it is no wonder why they want to have laws enforced to shut us infidels up. I do believe that Obama has been with Congress in order to do that. His administration has helped shut Egyptians up concerning Islam via the UN. And the UN has been shutting people up in Europe too. Too bad they actually think the UN is authorized to do such a thing. The Muslim nations do not obey UN sanctions and resolutions, I don’t know why anyone else should.
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Sick is right! Here’s my last one for today, another on the “Muslim mode” as you say.
Shows how Muslims are indoctrinated and brainwashed with Islamic teachings from their birth, how they get to see Muhammad as the best man that ever lived, how people that he had assassinated as seen as the real criminals and not as the victims of Muhammad’s cruelty, what they teach about other religions. Real eye opener into how Muslims think.
Enjoy!
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staffsgt7
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But how are we to know how unbelievers interpret the Koran if it isn’t violent to them. How can we know this?
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sedonaman
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Yes. The part that gets me is, “Mohammed fought only defensive wars.” This would be true if the Islamic meaning of “defensive” were clear to us. Since the normal state of affairs is for Islam to rule the world, anything short of that is an offense against Islam. IOW, the mere existence of a non-believer is an offense against Islam that must be rectified, by force if necessary. Since the non-believer, by merely existing, has committed the offense, any retaliation by Islamic forces is naturally in “defense”.
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Benadam;5804434:
has information on what they are trying to push onto us.
And then they talk about martyrdom. We know that for Christians in Islamic lands they are dwindling in numbers due to the persecution. But Christians worldwide are doing nothing except being Islamic apologists and appeasers. And too many Christians are not putting pressure on anyone to help Israel out either. Instead they fall for the propaganda that a well organized propaganda machine in Islam puts out and continually ignore the violence perpetrated by Muslims in Gaza, and also in Lebanon. I am not saying that all Christians are doing this, but too many in positions of power are doing it. I remember reading an article where the Christians were asking for help and I have no idea where the rest of the world’s Christians were. They have no problem marching in to protect the Saudi and Kuwaiti Muslims, but when the real victims of Muslim terror cry out for help there is a silence.
The Saudis, and Kuwaitis, fund the Jihadists and whatever comes back onto them, so be it. I don’t feel sorry for them and they have done nothing to stop the violence coming from the Jihadists and instead have been known not only to have telethons to give them money, but have released the Jihadists and tell them to wage their Jihad off of Saudi soil.
**I just read about way too many Ministers and others such as the Catholic Clergy doing absolutely nothing but giving out bad advice concerning Islam.
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I don’t get how anyone can think Islam is peaceful or tolerant or anything but an ideology that is out to gobble up anything in its path. We cannot even talk about Islam without always having to say ‘not all muslims are violent’. They support it when they are silent or they give out disinformation about it. In our country, it isn’t even an excuse anymore for them to say they are ignorant about where their zakat is going. That information is readily available to them. It has been talked about when their charities were shut down. The only ones I would give a pass to are the ones who are newly immigrated over here. And I wonder why we haven’t stopped Muslim immigration. Instead we let in what we don’t understand and refuse to most of the time. The ones who are new converts I would not give a pass to since they have a chance to do research into Islam.
I like how you single out the Catholic Church. The way I see it, all the other religions are out to destroy us.
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The exploitation of a few catholic priests to try and discredit the Church as a whole
The almost un-known massacre of Catholics in vietnam that has not been publicized in any major news (to my knowledge)
The suing of a Catholic College after they banned contraception (it was private by the way)
The general distrust of Catholics (as shown above)
I don’t know what we did, but apparently Catholics (who don’t fly planes into things, just for the record) have gotten on the bad side of more than the media.
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It is only because I am on a Catholic website. You are right there are many others that give out disinformation and appease Islam. I won’t even go into the left because they are in lockstep with Islam and appease it at every turn. Even the women libbers don’t do anything about the situation of women in Islam. And look at Obama’s old Church! And that is a supposedly Christian Church.I like how you single out the Catholic Church. The way I see it, all the other religions are out to destroy us.
In Example:
The exploitation of a few catholic priests to try and discredit the Church as a whole
The almost un-known massacre of Catholics in vietnam that has not been publicized in any major news (to my knowledge)
The suing of a Catholic College after they banned contraception (it was private by the way)
The general distrust of Catholics (as shown above)
I don’t know what we did, but apparently Catholics (who don’t fly planes into things, just for the record
Catholics let some things happen though. There is no outrage from Catholics as a group, no Catholics or Christians demanding apologies to stop the anti-Christian bias in the schools. There isn’t even a concern by the antisemitism by the Jews or a united front to demand that it stop in the schools. The schools are catering to the left which are communists and to Muslims. And when one caters to those ideologies then antiChristianity and antisemitism go hand in hand.
It is like they equate speaking up and saying ‘no’, or ‘stop’, with some anti-chrisian message. Turning the other cheek does not apply when just standing up for what is right.
I had no idea about what happened in Vietnam.
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Well, maybe I spoke too soon. The Muslims that did some fundraising at UC Irvine seem to have been caught giving the money to terrorists. And they are blaming the Jews for turning them in. I am not clear though if it were Jews who turned them in or they are just doing their usual blaming the Jews for their ills.
The article mentions the problems the Jews have had on that campus with violence against them. The Jews could not prove the allegations. I don’t know why they couldn’t prove some of it, I saw many youtube videos of the antisemitic remarks and signs that were being were carried.
If the Jews are finally doing something then I applaud them.
The article mentions the problems the Jews have had on that campus with violence against them. The Jews could not prove the allegations. I don’t know why they couldn’t prove some of it, I saw many youtube videos of the antisemitic remarks and signs that were being were carried.
If the Jews are finally doing something then I applaud them.
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sedonaman
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Can’t speak for the Jews, but Catholics do have one lonely voice in the wilderness. catholicleague.org
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I find that there is an obvious latent anti-catholic sentiment amongst many people. Perhaps its due to the general anti-religious attitute many hold, and the fact that the catholic church is the obvious target. Or if its simply due to the historical anti-catholicism that infuses protestant heritage. But i agree with the guy who said that anti-catholicism is the last acceptable pregudice.
On the original question id have to say its because the Quran has exhortations to violence which lead many muslims to act in violent ways towards other religious groups. And also because the cultural heritage of islam, which was synontmous with conquest, perpetuated the violent nature of the religion in regards to other religions. History backs this up.
On the original question id have to say its because the Quran has exhortations to violence which lead many muslims to act in violent ways towards other religious groups. And also because the cultural heritage of islam, which was synontmous with conquest, perpetuated the violent nature of the religion in regards to other religions. History backs this up.
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Violence on a social scale is always tribal. Saint Paul (and the Church) promote the universality of the Church and being in the Body of Christ is an attempt to leave your tribalism behind. I say attempt because we are all aware of the history of violence committed by Christians. These incidents, however, always had more to do with the politics of the time; and then post-Reformation many European states subsumed their Church. A state church is a contradiction, a oxymoron that has done harm to Christianity.
Islam, building off the Qu’ran, has trouble with separating the faith from the peoples. It seems confused as to whether it was a tribal religion for the Arabs, or if it was a universal one for all peoples. What has occurred is a religion that believes in its universality, but also in its tribal existence. Islam covers the original tribe, it does not have the tribe convert.
Islam, building off the Qu’ran, has trouble with separating the faith from the peoples. It seems confused as to whether it was a tribal religion for the Arabs, or if it was a universal one for all peoples. What has occurred is a religion that believes in its universality, but also in its tribal existence. Islam covers the original tribe, it does not have the tribe convert.
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cthulhubryan
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It is amazing that Obama refuses to talk about having a Pastor or choosing a church. It seems that such a choice is less important that his choice of tailor.
I would hope that Rev Cash would have an influence on our president.
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