Most correct.
The Eastern Church is valid because the 12 apostles founded churches there. St. Peter was later called to Rome.
Aramis, please clarify this question I have now. A priest be can ordained by a bishop who is in communion with the holy father and bishops.
The Orthodox are in schism, but valid.
What about the schismatic Tridentines who were able to ordain their own priests? The original Tridentine bishops were consecrated by a bishop in communion with the holy father and bishop. I heard recently that the talks between them and and the Vatican have broken down again.
And clarify some more: The Anglican bishop, not in communion with the Holy Father and bishops cannot ordain a priest who can consecrate the bread and wine into the Eucharist…or…there are some Anglican bishops who can, who are actually more in a schism with Rome…?..There are Lutheran denominations, because of the nature of some of their episcopacy, who can consecrate?..need clarification.
Also, thanks for clarifying the Orthodox and Latin rites, jurisdicitions.
The Holy See has ruled that the Anglican Church, by the break in the apostolic lineage somewhat after their schism, lacks valid bishops, and some other reasons, lacks valid deacons, priests and bishops, so the only sacrament they have which is valid is baptism.
Lutherans’ ordinations are not valid - their bishops are elected, and installed, not ordained. (They only count priestly ordination as a sacrament. This lack of mentality of Bishops being a separate order of cleric means they lack intent to do what the church does. And thus, since their priests are ordained by invalid bishops, their priestly orders are invalid.)
as an aside: A Catholic priest using either the Lutheran or Anglican missal, who intends to consecrate the Eucharist, well, either one will get the job done.
Also note: while invalid marriage as sacrament is the ruling, Anglicans or Lutherans who marry are considered to be in a valid “Natural Marriage”… which is a sacrament if they become Catholics.
The various groups using the TLM (and close variants thereof) belong in several categories.
One such group is the SSPX - they are not formally in schism - they are catholic but disobedient. They have valid baptism, valid but illicit communion, valid but illicit ordinations, invalid confession*, invalid matrimony**, invalid profession for their religious***, invalid confirmation**. (Ecclesia Dei has ruled against some sacraments. * if you didn’t know, supplied jurisdiction may validate your individual confession. ** requires faculties from the local bishop… which, being suspended, they can not get. *** suspension ad divinis prohibits being validly elected superior, even if not ordained, and profession requires a validly elected superior.) The true irony - if they were to formally schism, they’d have the jurisdiction needed to make their confessions, marriages, professions, and confirmations valid… but would no longer be Catholics.
Another such group is the FSSP - they’re fully Catholic, and a clerical society… they are what the SSPX should have been. All their sacraments are valid, but unless they have the permissions, they won’t do marriages, confessions, nor vows, and lacking a bishop, they only confirm on Easter… but will often ask the local bishop to do confirmation by the TLM formulae for their parishes… and, since they only go where invited, the FSSP have the local support.
A third such group is actually an Old Catholic group. Without tracking the individual bishops, the only answer is “Maybe, but probably not”… If in danger of death, I’d take the chance, and still ask for a real Catholic Priest…
Another group using a Latin mass - not quite the TLM, but very similar - is the Dominican Order of Friars-Preacher. My favorite penguins… Fully Catholic, Fully Valid. The Dominican Missal actually predates Trent. It fell out of use for a few years, but never actually ceased being used (I know a few friars who used it for missa privata). If you don’t know the differences, you’d be hard pressed to tell it wasn’t the TLM.
A Not-Quite-TLM group is the Orthodox - one of the approved masses for the “Western Rite Orthodox” is the Trent missal with a more explicit, post narrative epiclesis added. The other is the Knot Anglican Missal with a more explicit, post-narrative epiclesis added. One could mistake them for the TLM. Those are fully valid.
Another “Not Quite” group is the Polish Mariavite Church. Most of their priests were ordained by their archbishop… and that means not valid, as their succession traces through women bishops. Their mass is a slightly modified Trent liturgy in either Polish or English.
