Why are the New Age movement and other exotic ideas so attractive?

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More disconcerting than the garbage like plastic dumped into our waterways are all the chemicals and drugs. The world has a real drug addiction and it is killing and causing diseases to a lot of wildlife, not to mention humans who actually end up drinking the stuff again.

But I think we are off topic again. The Catholic Church teaches us to be good stewards of the earth. We are made in the image of God and we have dominion over the earth. That means we need to take care of God’s beautiful creation.

New Agers aren’t necessarily ecologically pure. In fact a lot of New Agers take a lot of drugs!
 
Yes, careless people come from all sorts of backgrounds. I went to Queens once. They say Paris looks best in the rain, London looks best in the sunshine. My opinion is that Queens looks best in the rear view mirror.

Your friend,
Sufjon
 
Plastic soda rings, “baggies,” styrofoam particles and plastic pellets are often mistaken by sea turtles as authentic food. Turtles also eat jellyfish and often mistake plastic bottles for jellyfish. Clogging their intestines, and missing out on vital nutrients, the turtles starve to death. Seabirds undergo a similar ordeal, mistaking the pellets for fish eggs, small crab and other prey, sometimes even feeding the pellets to their young. Despite the fact that only 0.05% of plastic pieces from surface waters are pellets, they comprise about 70% of the plastic eaten by seabirds. These small plastic particles have been found in the stomachs of 63 of the world’s approximately 250 species of seabirds.

Wildlife is not the only area to suffer from the effects of marine debris. Plastic bags are the leading external cause of marine engine damage in Massachusetts. Other plastic items foul propellers and interfere with fishing tackle.

Now, if you are an Old Timey religious sort and feel you have the right to do whatever you feel to animals because you have some sort of dominion over them, the harm doesn’t stop there. Plastic photodegrades over time, breaking down into smaller and smaller pieces. It is also a sponge for toxins like PCBs and DDT. Marine life ingest these into their systems, and people in turn eat the marine life. The effects of these toxins can be disastrous on humans as well. The effects on cancer rates, early puberty, early menopause and many more recently observed trends in human populations are only now starting to be understood.

In the end, one careless person who doesn’t care causes little harm on the broader scale. Lots of careless people who don’t care cause a good deal of harm, and what goes around comes around. Karma is not a religious doctrine. It is an observable law of nature. The harm cause to other living things finds it’s way back to you in one way or another.

Sunny Swanblack will be happy to know that same sex unions have not as yet been linked
harming marine life 🙂 , although abusive heterosexual relationships lead the way as a causal factor in psychological and physical harm to women and children. They significantly outpace same sex unions as a contributing enabler to domestic violence.

Your friend
Sufjon
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“In the end, one careless person who doesn’t care causes harm on the broader scale. Lots of careless people who don’t care cause of good deal of harm, and what goes around, comes around. Karma is not a religious doctrine. It is an observable law of nature. the harm caused to living beings finds its way bak to you in one way or another.”

So, given that lots of Hindus polluted the beach in Queens, is it possible, according to the Hindu religion and what you’ve stated above, that those Hindus will may be, possibly, reincarnated as a fish in the waters of the same beach? Or a sand flea, or maybe a crustacean? (Though in reality, some of the Hindus didn’t realize they were polluting, since the article says its mostly a problem with the immigrants). Or maybe, since Queens isn’t all that attractive, it won’t really be a problem?
 
I went into a new age shop today and all of the books, statues, candles, semi-precious stones etc were all really attractive and tempting. The nature religions particularly seemed to come across as beautiful, natural and getting in tune with the world.

I know that paganism is false. But it sure does a good job of making itself look credible. I pray that I will remain strong in my faith.
 
quote:

“In the end, one careless person who doesn’t care causes harm on the broader scale. Lots of careless people who don’t care cause of good deal of harm, and what goes around, comes around. Karma is not a religious doctrine. It is an observable law of nature. the harm caused to living beings finds its way bak to you in one way or another.”

So, given that lots of Hindus polluted the beach in Queens, is it possible, according to the Hindu religion and what you’ve stated above, that those Hindus will may be, possibly, reincarnated as a fish in the waters of the same beach? Or a sand flea, or maybe a crustacean? (Though in reality, some of the Hindus didn’t realize they were polluting, since the article says its mostly a problem with the immigrants). Or maybe, since Queens isn’t all that attractive, it won’t really be a problem?
Once you have evolved to a human, you are a human, although there is cause and effect for everything you do. You simply learn from your mistakes over time, but we are talking about very long time frames. You may not be aware that you are learning, but we are. Specifically, it may appear outwardly that the lesson in a given experience is lost on the person who doesn’t notice. On some level you notice and you react. You grow, you take steps back and you grow again.

As for coming back as a fish, well, no. There is karma for what you do. There is group karma and individual karma. You can be a good person who keeps company with a lot of bad people and you’ll be subjected to some of their bad karma. If I live in a society that pollutes, I will suffer from the pollution. It’s that simple. Karma is not a mystical religious idea. It’s just cause and effect for the most part.

Because PRMerger tosses plastic bottles into waterways doesn’t make her a bad person. Because some Hindus throw coconuts into some river in New York doesn’t make them bad either. They’re making uniformed choices, that’s all. For my part, I am making bad choices every day as well. Like PRMerger and the Hindus in Queens, I make some good ones too. We learn, we grow. Now, if someone sends out a question as to how they are hurting marine life by tossing plastic into waterways and if I then respond, it doesn’t mean that I am judging anyone. I am answering a question, and since it’s an important issue, my faith requires that I answer honestly and promptly, because we are indeed harming marine life by throwing plastic into the water and we are hurting humans too. And you know, even when we try, we can screw up. For instance, I have taken an oath to God to harm no creature of any sort. I don’t eat animals or fish or anything like that. Yet when I drive my car, sometimes I run over an animal, and who knows how many things I kill when I mow my lawn. All I can do is try to do as little harm as possible. It’s what’s in your heart that you work on, that’s all.

By the way, I can tell you in advance that my ashes will be probably thrown into the ocean or something like that as well. They are biodegradable, as are incense sticks (wood), and coconuts. I know don’t know about the statues. I own one statue of Jesus, one of Mary, one of Krisha, and one of something someone gave me called the Infant of Prague. I’m not planning on throwing them into any rivers or anything. I keep them in the room where I pray. They help me focus.

Your friend,
Sufjon
 
Now, if you are an Old Timey religious sort and feel you have the right to do whatever you feel to animals because you have some sort of dominion over them, the harm doesn’t stop there.
Sufjon, I am a Catholic who gives assent to the teachings of Christ regarding being good stewards of the earth.

I am simply promoting on this thread an ethos consistent with the New Age paradigm, which is: follow what your heart/intuition tells you and there’s no such thing as sin.

You can see how clearly the above ethos gets New Agers in a logical conundrum.

In the New Agers’ paradigm of doing whatever one feels is right, he has no logical argument for proposing that throwing a plastic bottle into the ocean is wrong.
 
Yes, careless people come from all sorts of backgrounds. I went to Queens once. They say Paris looks best in the rain, London looks best in the sunshine. My opinion is that Queens looks best in the rear view mirror.

Your friend,
Sufjon
I love it!!!:):)🙂

ICXC NIKA
 
although abusive heterosexual relationships lead the way as a **causal factor **in psychological and physical harm to women and children. They significantly outpace same sex unions as a contributing enabler to domestic violence.
Could you cite your source, please, Sufjon?

It would, of course, have to adjust for the fact that same sex unions are the minority, thus provide evidence that per union they are indeed less “enabling” of domestic violence.

And, it would have to document, as you state, that heterosexuality is the causal factor in domestic violence.

Sources please!! 🍿
 
Because PRMerger tosses plastic bottles into waterways doesn’t make her a bad person. Because some Hindus throw coconuts into some river in New York doesn’t make them bad either. They’re making uniformed choices, that’s all. For my part, I am making bad choices every day as well. Like PRMerger and the Hindus in Queens, I make some good ones too.
Well, thank you, friend!

Just wondering, though, in your religion what is a bad person, if not a person who does bad things?
 
Sufjon, I am a Catholic who gives assent to the teachings of Christ regarding being good stewards of the earth.

I am simply promoting on this thread an ethos consistent with the New Age paradigm, which is: follow what your heart/intuition tells you and there’s no such thing as sin.

You can see how clearly the above ethos gets New Agers in a logical conundrum.

In the New Agers’ paradigm of doing whatever one feels is right, he has no logical argument for proposing that throwing a plastic bottle into the ocean is wrong.
No, it harms the marine life, remember my what about the fish question?
I arm myself with all the facts, yes im a tree hugger! Remember what I said before? Its not just about heart/intuition. Theres so many other factors too. You have only vhosen the two that support your means.

I did a course on marine biology and the ecosystem is truly fascinating. 😃
Why would one not inform themselves? I dont believe in bad people, rather people are grey and they can make good or bad choices.
 
No, it harms the marine life, remember my what about the fish question?
In your ethos, Sunny, if I discern, with my heart, my intution, and all the other variables you believe are required to make a moral decision, and decide that this is what god is telling me to do, how can you tell me that it’s wrong?

In fact, I still don’t understand how your paradigm, which really says that each person gets to decide for herself what is right, you can tell me that throwing a plastic bottle in the ocean is wrong.

There is quite an inconsistency in your paradigm!
 
Hi, LemonAndLime,

I just joined and have been reading a number of the posts.

You know, I really can not think of any sin that does not paint itself up to look good from some rather particular perspective. And, while we can look at "…books, statues, candles, etc. " and feel a comfort because these items appeal to our senses - we really do have to look deeper. You can just acquire so many books, erect so many statues, burn so many candles - and your heart is still not satisfyed with these material objects. Only one thing will fill our hearts.

St Augustine said, “Our hearts are restless until they rest in thee Lord” (here is a link you may enjoy) wf-f.org/StAugustine.html God made our hearts and He did so in a way that there is this little spot that no created object can ever fill. This is the part where God belongs and this is where the direction for our lives is to come from. Our real significance as human beings is not based on how many material posessions you acquire - but in our relationship to Jesus Christ.

Now, paganism has many flavors… but, all lead to the Father of Lies. I have no idea how Moloch got started with infant sacrifice (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch) but, this false god’s followers dominated the landscape in the OT. The Devil still wants to be god! His fall from the Heavenly Kingdom has not changed his pride and hatred for God and His human creatures. No matter where it starts - paganism always ends up destroying people.

God bless
I went into a new age shop today and all of the books, statues, candles, semi-precious stones etc were all really attractive and tempting. The nature religions particularly seemed to come across as beautiful, natural and getting in tune with the world.

I know that paganism is false. But it sure does a good job of making itself look credible. I pray that I will remain strong in my faith.
 
Hi, LemonAndLime,

I just joined and have been reading a number of the posts.

You know, I really can not think of any sin that does not paint itself up to look good from some rather particular perspective. And, while we can look at "…books, statues, candles, etc. " and feel a comfort because these items appeal to our senses - we really do have to look deeper. You can just acquire so many books, erect so many statues, burn so many candles - and your heart is still not satisfyed with these material objects. Only one thing will fill our hearts.

St Augustine said, “Our hearts are restless until they rest in thee Lord” (here is a link you may enjoy) wf-f.org/StAugustine.html God made our hearts and He did so in a way that there is this little spot that no created object can ever fill. This is the part where God belongs and this is where the direction for our lives is to come from. Our real significance as human beings is not based on how many material posessions you acquire - but in our relationship to Jesus Christ.

Now, paganism has many flavors… but, all lead to the Father of Lies. I have no idea how Moloch got started with infant sacrifice (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch) but, this false god’s followers dominated the landscape in the OT. The Devil still wants to be god! His fall from the Heavenly Kingdom has not changed his pride and hatred for God and His human creatures. No matter where it starts - paganism always ends up destroying people.

God bless
I have a very good friend who is into all things New Age. She tries crystals, aromatherapy, Jungian pyschology, channelling etc, to no avail. She still feels anxious and depressed.

I gently try to tell her that God is the source of all peace, and keeps us free from anxiety, but so far she is not ready to turn to Christianity. One day, I am hoping she will, and quit this endless search for happiness and self-knowledge through all these unfruitful New Age teachings and methodologies.
 
Once you have evolved to a human, you are a human, although there is cause and effect for everything you do. You simply learn from your mistakes over time, but we are talking about very long time frames. You may not be aware that you are learning, but we are. Specifically, it may appear outwardly that the lesson in a given experience is lost on the person who doesn’t notice. On some level you notice and you react. You grow, you take steps back and you grow again.

As for coming back as a fish, well, no. There is karma for what you do. There is group karma and individual karma. You can be a good person who keeps company with a lot of bad people and you’ll be subjected to some of their bad karma. If I live in a society that pollutes, I will suffer from the pollution. It’s that simple. Karma is not a mystical religious idea. It’s just cause and effect for the most part.

Because PRMerger tosses plastic bottles into waterways doesn’t make her a bad person. Because some Hindus throw coconuts into some river in New York doesn’t make them bad either. They’re making uniformed choices, that’s all. For my part, I am making bad choices every day as well. Like PRMerger and the Hindus in Queens, I make some good ones too. We learn, we grow. Now, if someone sends out a question as to how they are hurting marine life by tossing plastic into waterways and if I then respond, it doesn’t mean that I am judging anyone. I am answering a question, and since it’s an important issue, my faith requires that I answer honestly and promptly, because we are indeed harming marine life by throwing plastic into the water and we are hurting humans too. And you know, even when we try, we can screw up. For instance, I have taken an oath to God to harm no creature of any sort. I don’t eat animals or fish or anything like that. Yet when I drive my car, sometimes I run over an animal, and who knows how many things I kill when I mow my lawn. All I can do is try to do as little harm as possible. It’s what’s in your heart that you work on, that’s all.

By the way, I can tell you in advance that my ashes will be probably thrown into the ocean or something like that as well. They are biodegradable, as are incense sticks (wood), and coconuts. I know don’t know about the statues. I own one statue of Jesus, one of Mary, one of Krisha, and one of something someone gave me called the Infant of Prague. I’m not planning on throwing them into any rivers or anything. I keep them in the room where I pray. They help me focus.

Your friend,
Sufjon
I appreciate your thoughtful response. There are things you’ve written which I agree with. However, one of the problems I see, or differences, rather, between Hinduism and Catholicism, is that the need to put things into the water is a part of Hindu rituals, but it is not a part of Catholic ritual. It’s good that when Hindus’ realize that we here in the U.S. have a problem with putting all that stuff in the water on the beach, most do make an effort to stop it. Catholicism, on the other hand, does not worship nature, and therefore does not have to include it in it’s rituals. We care about nature as a part of God’s creation. Unlike certain pagan beliefs, which teach that the world is evil (not saying that Hinduism neccessarily believes this), we Catholics do not believe that the world is evil. We care about it. And as PRmerger has stated, we, as Catholics are called upon to be good stewards of the earth. The pope has addressed this himself in the last few years.

Regarding human ashes, or cremation of the human body after death, it’s interesting that as our culture moves away from Christian values, it adopts pagan values, such as cremation. Though cremation is now allowed by the Church, there was a time I believe, when this was not the case. Catholics, until the last few decades, always buried the bodies of those who died.
 
Regarding human ashes, or cremation of the human body after death, it’s interesting that as our culture moves away from Christian values, it adopts pagan values, such as cremation. Though cremation is now allowed by the Church, there was a time I believe, when this was not the case. Catholics, until the last few decades, always buried the bodies of those who died.
And that is no doubt because of money and space. Burials are expensive and space is limited. However, now there is a movement to have “green” burials, where the body is not inbalmed and the casket is easily degradable into the earth. Maybe this practice will put an end to Catholic cremations.
 
And that is no doubt because of money and space. Burials are expensive and space is limited. However, now there is a movement to have “green” burials, where the body is not inbalmed and the casket is easily degradable into the earth. Maybe this practice will put an end to Catholic cremations.
I’ve never heard of “green” burials, but I think I like the idea. If it will help to put a stop to cremations, that’s a good thing. Yes, the traditional type of burial is expensive.
 
And that is no doubt because of money and space. Burials are expensive and space is limited. However, now there is a movement to have “green” burials, where the body is not inbalmed and the casket is easily degradable into the earth. Maybe this practice will put an end to Catholic cremations.
those types of burials will depend on the local water table. Most municipalities would consider rotting bodies to be a source of water contamination. It’s one of the reasons body burial in our area requires a vault. As for Catholic cremation, it is allowed but scattering ashes is not.
 
those types of burials will depend on the local water table. Most municipalities would consider rotting bodies to be a source of water contamination. It’s one of the reasons body burial in our area requires a vault. As for Catholic cremation, it is allowed but scattering ashes is not.
well they are becoming popular in the Northwest where I live. I don’t know much about the water table issue. Here is a website about green burials.greenburials.org/FAQ.htm

The Catholic Church views the body as a holy temple. It is believed that all people were created in the image and likeness of God. Therefore, the burning of a body after death was once seen as a desecration of God’s work. The Church also believed that cremation represented a denial of the belief in resurrection. As the Church evolved, burials and entombment continued to be stressed but cremation was permitted.
 
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