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What I wanted to know was where in the bible does it say that men can be infallible or have to be infallible to understand or intrepret scripture?😃
The Bible doesn’t have to contain this information, because the Church knew about infallibility for 400 years before it had the Scriptures available to read. How the Church knew that the Bible was inerrant was that the infallible Pope told them so. Otherwise, they would never have found out. 😉

Kay Cee is asking you, “Does God desire us to know the truth about him?”

This, IMHO, is a very important starting place, so I’ll let you focus on that, for the time being.
 
I too have some questions I’d like to ask AFH.

I’d like to begin with this one:

Does God desire us to know the truth about him?

Please answer yes, no, or I don’t know. Elaboration is unnecessary. It’s a simple question.
Absolutely:thumbsup:
 
How do you know the Pope was right?
Because Jesus promised to protect him from making any errors of that kind. Besides, if he was wrong about the Bible, then not only do I not have a Pope, you also don’t have a Bible, so I guess we’d both better hope he was right! 😉
 
Because Jesus promised to protect him from making any errors of that kind. Besides, if he was wrong about the Bible, then not only do I not have a Pope, you also don’t have a Bible, so I guess we’d both better hope he was right! 😉
Where does Jesus say this about the Pope? About being infallible?
 
Just to recap, I asked:

Does God desire us to know the truth about him?

You answered:
Absolutely:thumbsup:
My next question:

Would God, then, provide us a method for discerning the truth about him?

Now, I’m not asking what the method is–I intend to get into that later. I’m only asking now if God does provide us a method: yes, no, or I don’t know.
 
Just to recap, I asked:

Does God desire us to know the truth about him?

You answered:

My next question:

Would God, then, provide us a method for discerning the truth about him?

Now, I’m not asking what the method is–I intend to get into that later. I’m only asking now if God does provide us a method: yes, no, or I don’t know.
Yes----hey I am logging off for the night. Talk to you whenever:thumbsup: Good night
 
In a perfect world, every believer would dutifully study the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15) in prayerful dependence upon the Holy Spirit’s illumination. Alas, this is not a perfect world.
I couldn’t disagree more. The Word existed long before the Canon did. The Canon existed long before the Bible. Even after the Bible was put together, it would be more than 1000 years before the average Christian could read it and pray for illumination.

Assuming that your interpretation of 2 Timothy 2 is accurate, what were the early Christians supposed to study? The Canon was comprised of scrolls. They were written in different languages. There were no public schools. People could not read and write. Papyrus wasn’t mass produced. Scrolls weren’t available to the general population. That means either people were supposed to be able to read scrolls that they had no access to, written in languages that they did not understand, or your interpretation is not accurate.

Anyone with an elementry understanding of language knows that word for word translation is impossible. Not only is the vocabulary different, the sentence structure, punctuation and verb conjugation are different. Words have multiple meanings. At some point, the translator is going to have to make a judgment call. What did the author mean? When different translators reach different conclusions, whose is right? The one with the most education? The one who started first? The one with the greatest conviction? The one who prayed for guidance? What if they all did?

My grandfather was a minister who devoted all that he was to God and his church. He was a tremendous man with a tremendous faith that guided him in everything he did. He read the Bible. He prayed. He tended to the sick, the poor and the elderly. You could circle the world and never find a more humble and upright man.

My brother-in-law was saved a few years back. He turned away from alcohol and cigarettes. He started going to church. He started tithing. He started reading the bible dutifully. He prays with all of his heart. He knows that he is a better husband, father and person because of his new found faith.

If illumination comes from reading the Bible and praying to the Holy Spirit, both my grandfather and my brother-in-law would have identical religious beliefs. They do not. Actually, its not even close. Their beliefs are not only different from each other’s, they are completely different from my friend’s.

My friend believes in sola scriptura so much that he stopped going to church. He says that all of the ministers he has heard speak are wrong. They are so wrong that he cannot sit there and listen to them teach lies.

So, which of them is right? Which is wrong? Can they all be right? Can they all be right and still disagree with each other? If they are wrong, did the Holy Spirit deceive them? If not the Holy Spirit…

I believe in God. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God. I just don’t believe that it is the sum total of all that Jesus said, taught and did. The rest, and it is too incomplete for there not to be a “rest,” is what you call tradition.

Jesus built one Church. He said that hell would not prevail against it. 2000+ years later, that Church still stands. It is the one, the only one, not built by human hands. That Church has the authority to teach the Word. The rest don’t.

There are so many interpretations of Christianity because men put too much faith in their own interpretations. That doesn’t mean that they don’t love God. It doesn’t mean they don’t have faith. It means that they don’t have the whole truth.
 
Good. 🙂

So, the Holy Spirit has the ability to give certain people the gift of infallibility, under certain circumstances - true? or false?
The Scriptures reveal various “gifts” of the Holy Spirit given to believers at the time of belief according to His will. Can you show me where one of those is the “gift” of “infallibility?”

The Holy Spirit “inspired” (Gr., theopneustos, “God-breathed”) the Scriptures, and this through human authorship (2 Tim. 3:16). Being Holy Spirit inspired (God-breathed) makes the Scriptues themselves “infallible” in the sense that they are unfailingly accurate, inerrant. Though He used men to write the Scriptures it in no way made those men infallible. Infallibiltiy belongs to a (P)erson, not persons. No man is infallible, save the Savior.

Have you found the “gift” of infallibility in the Scriptures yet?
 
The Bible doesn’t have to contain this information, because the Church knew about infallibility for 400 years before it had the Scriptures available to read.
400 years before they were “available” to read? The Gospel accounts and the Epistles were copied and widely distributed amongst the churches soon after they were received. Even the early Church writers quoted from the profusely.
How the Church knew that the Bible was inerrant was that the infallible Pope told them so.
Since when was Paul a Pope (see 2 Tim. 3:16).
 
I couldn’t disagree more. The Word existed long before the Canon did. The Canon existed long before the Bible. Even after the Bible was put together, it would be more than 1000 years before the average Christian could read it and pray for illumination.
You can’t be serious!!! EVERY book that makes up the N.T. was written within the first century. And churches began collecting them rapidly.

And illiteracy was not as rampant as you suggest. That may have been the case in the West amongst barbarian tribes in the North, but not in the East, and especially not amongst Jews.
 
Okay, so far the discussion has gone like this:

I asked, “Does God desire us to know the truth about him?”

You answered:
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Absolutely:thumbsup:
I then asked, “Would God, then, provide us a method for discerning the truth about him?”

You answered:
My next question:

Is the Bible one of the ways God provides us for discerning the truth about him?

Please answer yes, no, or I don’t know.
 
Okay, so far the discussion has gone like this:

I asked, “Does God desire us to know the truth about him?”

You answered:

I then asked, “Would God, then, provide us a method for discerning the truth about him?”

You answered:

My next question:

Is the Bible one of the ways God provides us for discerning the truth about him?

Please answer yes, no, or I don’t know.
No, the bible is the truth.👍
 
I can’t learn truth about God by reading the Bible?
You are talking specifically about discerning the truth. Sure you can read the bible to learn about God and to be a christian and to follow Christ, but if you do not know how to discern which intrepretation is correct or even be able to begin to understand what the bible is teaching,it wont get you anywhere.😦
Before one can even begin to understand , comprehend or discern the truth they need to have one thing.

Do you know what that is or should I say who that is?
 
You are talking specifically about discerning the truth. Sure you can read the bible to learn about God and to be a christian and to follow Christ, but if you do not know how to discern which intrepretation is correct or even be able to begin to understand what the bible is teaching,it wont get you anywhere.😦
Before one can even begin to understand , comprehend or discern the truth they need to have one thing.

Do you know what that is or should I say who that is?
I know. The Roman Catholic Church who has the Holy Spirit.

And don’t bother telling me that I’m wrong. I’ve been where you are. You have not been where I am.

The Roman Catholic Church has it.

Not that the Holy Spirit doesn’t work among non-Catholics. He does but the deposit of truth is found fully in the Catholic Church.
 
You are talking specifically about discerning the truth. Sure you can read the bible to learn about God and to be a christian and to follow Christ, but if you do not know how to discern which intrepretation is correct or even be able to begin to understand what the bible is teaching,it wont get you anywhere.😦
Before one can even begin to understand , comprehend or discern the truth they need to have one thing.

Do you know what that is or should I say who that is?
I’m saying reading the Bible is one way to discern truth about God. I didn’t say it was a perfect way or the only way or that it gives us all the information there is about him. I am in no way saying it is all we need. Surely from reading the Bible we can discern certain truths, such as the fact that a man named Jesus walked this earth and died on the cross. Even an atheist can learn these truths by reading the Bible as an historical document.

Is reading or hearing the Bible one way to discern truth about God?
 
I’m saying reading the Bible is one way to discern truth about God. I didn’t say it was a perfect way or the only way or that it gives us all the information there is about him. I am in no way saying it is all we need. Surely from reading the Bible we can discern certain truths, such as the fact that a man named Jesus walked this earth and died on the cross. Even an atheist can learn these truths by reading the Bible as an historical document.

Is reading or hearing the Bible one way to discern truth about God?
Hi,
Maybe you should approach this with a different word other then discern. Im stuck on this word sorry. One cannot not discern the absolute truth from the bible just by picking it up and reading it. I suppose you can read it and pick out some historical facts and stories absolutely. If you are going to read the bible as the spiritual book that it is then you need the help of the HS to do so.👍
 
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