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colmcille1
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Tell me, amadan, how many self-serving posts do you reckon you need to deliver here before you officially rubber-stamp your self-serving new religion? Can we expect a website any time soon? Forums perhaps?!
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Tuno
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Dear Colmcille,
I have truly enjoyed our chats. And certainly, in retrospect, I have credited you with intelligence and a great deal of persistence in your chosen way. If I have not, please let me do so now.
I have found a marked contrast in our relationship to others of our faith on here. I feel I have upset and aggravated you to no end. I am sorry for that, as clearly you have the utmost conviction of your way, as did I when I espoused and preached as you do. I don’t recall epitheting anyone or tossing them phrases in a language other than their own, though, regardless that I could do a spicy bit of that in Magyar. But I feel it would be useless and only fuel your antipathy. So with a sad heart I am informing you that I will no longer respond to your charitable advances. If you choose to continue this conversation from one side, should I decide to post with others on this thread, that is your waste of words.
With complete sincerity I wish you the very best, and have no doubt that you will reap your just reward, as will I. In the mean time, please know that I haven’t and won’t translate the lovely Gaelic sentence you aimed at me, and pray that that incompletion will save a stroke against you when the time comes.
Blessings and Best,
Tuno
I have truly enjoyed our chats. And certainly, in retrospect, I have credited you with intelligence and a great deal of persistence in your chosen way. If I have not, please let me do so now.
I have found a marked contrast in our relationship to others of our faith on here. I feel I have upset and aggravated you to no end. I am sorry for that, as clearly you have the utmost conviction of your way, as did I when I espoused and preached as you do. I don’t recall epitheting anyone or tossing them phrases in a language other than their own, though, regardless that I could do a spicy bit of that in Magyar. But I feel it would be useless and only fuel your antipathy. So with a sad heart I am informing you that I will no longer respond to your charitable advances. If you choose to continue this conversation from one side, should I decide to post with others on this thread, that is your waste of words.
With complete sincerity I wish you the very best, and have no doubt that you will reap your just reward, as will I. In the mean time, please know that I haven’t and won’t translate the lovely Gaelic sentence you aimed at me, and pray that that incompletion will save a stroke against you when the time comes.
Blessings and Best,
Tuno
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colmcille1
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No problem. That is your prerogative. The Irish sentence was:’ Man in the house, dog in the street.’ That’s it. It is my own. It offers rich contemplative material.
I do not know you personally. I respond to the words.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.
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Moonstruck888
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Only an Irishman would be stupid enough to post in a language that 99% of the forum don’t know.
I dare say it makes him feel smart and superior, in contrast to the substance of his ideas, which are starkly limited…
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Tuno
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Why then are you commenting in kind, Moonstruck? The moon reflects indiscriminately, but you have a far greater gift than that. And if anyone, it is I, the target of those remarks, who might have a case. But I feel no animosity towards Colmcille1 as he is acting to the best of his lights and defending what he feels is at stake. He certainly has the passion, though somewhat unbridled, of his convictions. That is admirable, as it might be for any one of us. I actually have apologized to him myself for being somewhat heavy handed in my critiques. If I can do it, I have no doubt you can, unless you are angry at yourself in the guise of another, whatever the merit or not of his arguments.
It is useless to be adversarial on here, though I go that way myself sometimes. And what good are we doing for our own position if we attack the person and can’t dispassionately answer statements? I hope I can take my own advice here and will strive to do so, but that, despite slipping at times, is my take on this. Stupidity in another is too easy a target for Young’s theorem which you so blatantly shout. You could waste your lifetime on that. The beam in our own eye is work enough, which is why we are allegedly on here.
It is useless to be adversarial on here, though I go that way myself sometimes. And what good are we doing for our own position if we attack the person and can’t dispassionately answer statements? I hope I can take my own advice here and will strive to do so, but that, despite slipping at times, is my take on this. Stupidity in another is too easy a target for Young’s theorem which you so blatantly shout. You could waste your lifetime on that. The beam in our own eye is work enough, which is why we are allegedly on here.
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inocente
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Your point, I guess, being that one of the reasons why there are lots of religions is because we make categorization errors, e.g. by stereotyping an entire nation
, and decide to make a new religion as a result.An interesting idea. It may well be true in many cases, e.g. there seem to be a whole bunch of unaffiliated sects and personality cults in the States. And atheists are not immune of course - some believe in reincarnation, astrology and so on as I found out by a little research on colleagues.
Ultimately it seems that no two people have exactly the same beliefs and values. It may be that we each strive to take the tribe forward by the route we think best, and a perfectly uniform set of beliefs is not only unattainable but would work against our survival by trapping us all in a single mind-set.
Adding, of course, that God made us that way.
PS: We sorted each other out, it’s passed, as far as the East is from West. It’s a Christian thing.
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colmcille1
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Hi Tuno, my friend, and cordial greetings to you!
First off, I humbly thank you for your very wise post above.
Second, in fairness to our Scottish colleague, he would not have known that you and I exchanged PMs on this so, far from being a defence of his tactic of spoiling for a scrap, I fully see that he is still smarting from the celtic verbal fisticuffs we shamefully indulged in a while back. My bruises are long healed by my Faith.
I have heard it wisely said that ‘you may extend a hand in open-palmed greeting or as a closed fist but be advised that you will get it back accordingly.’
Third, and this, for me, is the most important point: I am enjoying these forums because for all the ding-dong battles between believers and non-believers, I hold out great hope (and prayer) that the very reason why non-believers are attracted to CAF is because they see these debates as a “working out” of the obstacles that impede them on their journey “home”. I do not hold to this as arrogance but as genuine expression of love.
God Bless,
Colmcille.
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colmcille1
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Hi inocente, my friend, and cordial greetings to you too!Your point, I guess, being that one of the reasons why there are lots of religions is because we make categorization errors, e.g. by stereotyping an entire nation
An interesting idea. It may well be true in many cases, e.g. there seem to be a whole bunch of unaffiliated sects and personality cults in the States. And atheists are not immune of course - some believe in reincarnation, astrology and so on as I found out by a little research on colleagues.
Ultimately it seems that no two people have exactly the same beliefs and values. It may be that we each strive to take the tribe forward by the route we think best, and a perfectly uniform set of beliefs is not only unattainable but would work against our survival by trapping us all in a single mind-set.
Adding, of course, that God made us that way.
PS: We sorted each other out, it’s passed, as far as the East is from West. It’s a Christian thing.
Thank you for your post above.
I enjoy these threads because I get to “meet” so many folks from all over this beautiful earth.
I agree with your point about the “single mind-set” and would add that such is the complexity of knowledge that we are somehow striving towards finding common grounds of understanding which can accommodate all mind-sets.
The greater our insights prove and the wider they unfold, the better the chances for us as a species. Karen Armstrong in her book ‘The Case for God’ (which I’ve just begun reading) alludes to this ubiquity of discussion.
I heard a beautifully sage statement once:’ the longest journey is between the head and the heart.’
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Columcille.
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Tuno
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Well said, both Colmcille1 and Inocente.
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Moonstruck888
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antroji
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Well, that makes at least two fo us, 888! 
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ab75
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While this is certainly true in some cases, it is not in all.
The majority of the people who lived in this world have not been directly introduced to Roman Catholicism and especially to the full teachings and understanding of the Church, or it’s Jewish roots prior. That may explain why some leave the Catholic Church, they don’t agree with a stance and want a more comfortable one, it certainly doesn’t account for all religions.
Many religions have been followed (and possibly started) because people have a sense there is something more and recognize a God, but have not effectively heard of the fullness of Christ. Some have been started because of obvious abuses, or errors within there own faith tradition, in searching for a more complete understanding of God. I know people who were poorly catechized who left the Church for Jehovah’s witnesses, with unbelievable strains on their social and family connections. I can guarantee you this is something they sought to get away from the truth because they had too hard of a time with Catholic Teaching.
On the contrary, they would have giving anything to have the answers, or have Priests be able to give them the answers that showed it true. While the local Catholic Church not only had issues (a nun stole from their kids grade school, and Priest had a relationship with a male student at their kids high school), they were questioning and searching, and couldn’t get the answers from either Priest, Friends or family. This was too often the case, before the internet in some areas.
So while there is some truth in your objections, they don’t account for all cases.
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colmcille1
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Hi ab75,
While I agree with you viz not all people would “fit” under the one umbrella of lizaanne’s definition, I do think that her overriding point is valid namely :"…we are conforming our lives to the will of God, not expecting God to conform to ours."
Is it not true that countless Catholics constantly challenge themselves in such a manner and that through the community of Church can love and help our weaker brothers and sisters?
God Bless,
Colmcille.
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larkin31
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Because there have been so many separate cultures
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colmcille1
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I think you’ll find that Christianity is the most syncretistic of all the major religions.
God Bless,
Colmcille.
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inocente
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You’re right, and there are interesting “vibes” between religions. I’m no expert but Sikhs see a sliver of divinity within us (like the Spirit?). For example, Snatam Kaur’s mantra Ong Namo, Guru Dev Namo (I bow to the divine wisdom, I greet the divine teacher within) has the lines:
*I bowed my head to God, and God took all of me. Every imperfection, God took all of me.
And every day, God lives and breaths through me. Looking in the mirror, I love you sweet God.
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This is quite close in sentiment to the Sarum Primer prayer I learned as a child (click here for the tune I remember it by):
God be in my head, and in my understanding / God be in mine eyes, and in my looking / God be in my mouth, and in my speaking / God be in my heart, and in my thinking / God be at mine end, and at my departing
Blessings to you Irish style (and now also Sikh) - May the long time sun shine upon you, all love surround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on.
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colmcille1
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A beautiful post, inocente, my friend!You’re right, and there are interesting “vibes” between religions. I’m no expert but Sikhs see a sliver of divinity within us (like the Spirit?). For example, Snatam Kaur’s mantra Ong Namo, Guru Dev Namo (I bow to the divine wisdom, I greet the divine teacher within) has the lines:
*I bowed my head to God, and God took all of me. Every imperfection, God took all of me.
And every day, God lives and breaths through me. Looking in the mirror, I love you sweet God.
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This is quite close in sentiment to the Sarum Primer prayer I learned as a child (click here for the tune I remember it by):
God be in my head, and in my understanding / God be in mine eyes, and in my looking / God be in my mouth, and in my speaking / God be in my heart, and in my thinking / God be at mine end, and at my departing
Blessings to you Irish style (and now also Sikh) - May the long time sun shine upon you, all love surround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on.
As I read it, I began to think of the Irish prayer-poem translated from 8th century Irish as ‘The Deer’s Cry’. It is also known as ‘St Patrick’s Breastplate’. Here is just a segment which tallies well with your quoted prayer:
Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of every one who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.
(Your links are in my favourites, inocente, thank you.)
God Bless,
Colmcille.
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Moonstruck888
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Given that most of it has been flagrantly plagerized from earlier religions, for once I’m forced to agree with you.I think you’ll find that Christianity is the most syncretistic of all the major religions.
God Bless,
Colmcille.
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inocente
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Yes, it’s neat that all the other long-lasting religions must necessarily contain elements of the truth.
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colmcille1
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Excellent reply, inocente, my friend!Yes, it’s neat that all the other long-lasting religions must necessarily contain elements of the truth.
God Bless,
Colmcille.
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