Why are there some homosexual clubs in some catholic universities

[YipYupYep]

None, whatsoever. To not do so only increases fear of a stereotype and leads to more discrimination and intolerance. I welcome these clubs on all college campuses public and private.

Intolerance! What are you joking me? How could we not be, and for a good reason.

So, should we, as a Church that is founder in the Ten Commandments tolerate homosexuality? What about porn actors and junkies? Should we be tolerant of alcoholism and just let it be, or do we try to cure it?

God Good Almighty! Is this how low in the gutter we have sunk. I am very sorry to hear this my friend.

 

[Katie1723]

So what do you suggest we do? And do you think Jesus wouldn’t be a bit more tolerant than you?
Kathy

 

[YipYupYep]

So what do you suggest we do? And do you think Jesus wouldn’t be a bit more tolerant than you?
Kathy

WWJD?

I think Jesus would heal them. He was a Rabbi and knew the Law. In the culture that Jesus grew up in Homosexuality was a Capital Crime. The penalty; well, lets not go there.

Who can say if he would heal them or not. There is no evidence that he healed every single sick person he encountered, but of this I am absolutely certain. He would at the least, admonish them, and order them to sin no more.

I sure hope that all Catholics here would agree that gay sex is a sin. I live in the real world. Sure, there are all sorts of mitigating circumstances, but we must call it what it is. To call it something else is another symptom of our decline into this societal sickness that infests America and our own Catholic Universities. Its a disgarce. Can any Catholic disagree?

 

[notsmart]

Why are there some homosexual clubs in some catholic universities? Why don’t they disband those clubs?

The same reason there are actively engaging homosexual priests in chicago (and all over) with consenting adults, and with non consenting minors.

Original sin.

Priests are not exempt from it, teachers of universities, ect.

Students at these schools cant even get their teachers to sign a statement of orthodoxy in most cases. Very few catholic schools at this level have teachers that will.

 

[zhangxupage]

There should not be any discrimination towards gay and lesbian people but there should not be any promoting actions among the catholic universities either. By starting clubs instead of putting restrictions, they are supporting and promoting homosexuality… See those pictures… The gays and lesbians kissing each other…

How do the Jesuits explain this issue? What’s their explanation for this?

 

[notsmart]

There should not be any discrimination towards gay and lesbian people but there should not be any promoting actions among the catholic universities either. By starting clubs instead of putting restrictions, they are supporting and promoting homosexuality… See those pictures… The gays and lesbians kissing each other…

How do the Jesuits explain this issue? What’s their explanation for this?

Good question. They have really messed up here in Chicago.
I have no idea.

 

[mm3861]

Homosexual clubs on Catholic universities are another clear case of church leaders compromising Catholic values to please the secular world. And people wonder why 75% of Catholics do not attend Mass on Sunday?

 

[Mea_Culpa]

Homosexual clubs on Catholic universities are another clear case of church leaders compromising Catholic values to please the secular world. And people wonder why 75% of Catholics do not attend Mass on Sunday?

How about a bestiality club? Or the orgy club? They’re people too, you know.

If Catholic universities are no different than secular universities, why have them?

 

[Corki]

If they receive government funding at all (including having students who receive government-based financial aide), they cannot be shown to unfairly discriminate (i.e. if a college allows clubs and has a set manner of clubs being setup, then you cannot deny homosexuals the ability to setup such clubs simply because it is a homosexual group setting it up).

That’s just not true. First of all, the fact that the student gets aid does not trigger the institution’s opening access. Second, many, if not most Catholic and Protestant colleges have requirements in place that clubs not represent positions contrary to the teachings of the Church.

There are two ideas that come to mind as to why these clubs are allowed. One is that the college’s naively have policies that allow too much leeway in who gets to start a club. They are stuck with the policies as written, at least until the next school year.

More commonly, the college is trying to distance itself from the Church in order to keep enrollment and donations up. They try to portray themselves as broadminded even to the detriment of their Catholic identity.

 

[Macbook_Fun]

Not everyone is homophobic and judgmental. This site really gets offensive when mentioning homosexuals.

 

[rosarygirl7]

My opinion, but this seems really crazy! If it is a Catholic institution, there should not be any clubs promoting things like that. Catholicism teaches that homosexuality is sinful, but that doesn’t mean we hate them! No one is born gay. It’s not their fault, though. It comes from their surroundings, especially as children. It is not anyone else’s fault either. It is a cross, I guess, to carry. Gays/lesbians are called to live chastely, with God’s help. It is a blessing, even, that chance to serve God, in their struggle. There are support groups out there, and those are good. Homosexuality is nothing to be ashamed of, like they are bad people, but it’s not something to show the world either. That is, to the best I could explain, the Catholic teaching. Again, if it is a Catholic institution, there should be no groups like that. Support groups, I think, are awesome. This? I don’t know what they are thinking!

 

[yellowbird]

Not everyone is homophobic and judgmental. This site really gets offensive when mentioning homosexuals.

Homophobic is such a stupid word. Seriously, do you really think we “fear” gay people? I know several gay people and they are very nice people - not the least bit scary.

But they are living in sin. No question about. I don’t need to pass judgement on them - the Church says homosexual sex is sinful.

Why do the colleges allow these clubs? Obviously in this regard they are Catholic in name only. If I were an alumni, I’d yank my support in a heartbeat.

 

[YipYupYep]

Not everyone is homophobic and judgmental. This site really gets offensive when mentioning homosexuals.

You may be offended, because if you are, you are; those are your feelings, but why are you at a Catholic site. Find one the condones sodomy. There are a lot more of those out there than there are of ones like this.

I think there is a place for the term for the term “homophobic,” but not here. No one here would bash a gay. That just wont fly. I opened the links placed here in this thread and saw pictures of gay boys kissing and in other romantic situations. Not on a gay porn site. No, On Catholic Collage web sites. To a normal, straight man that is absolutely disgusting. Is this what our Catholics Students should be exposed to? Why not then have same sex marriage in the Collage Chapel. By the look of it, our Church leadership has no problem with men and women sodomizing each other. Why not put a wedding ring on them. Oh, and one more thing. I almost forgot. We cant leave out the trans-genders. The cross dressers. They are on the web sites also. Oh no. We must never disenfranchise. We must make room for there club house on our Catholic Campus, plus every other freak that makes a demand.

My question to you is this? Rather than find a community that will service you, you would have us defy the Catholic Churches condemnation of gay sex? I sure hope that is not true my friend.

 

[juliasmith]

Its like a beach in Thailand. I had no idea how deep this sickness has infested us. What a shocking mess. Loyola University is a complete disgrace. I am absolutely disgusted. Not in those gays kissing, which I really am, but in the church, deserving a lower case c.

Time for a shake up or a wake up. I don’t know what to make of it.

You know as well as I do it is well past time to start praying. And I mean some serious ‘in the garden’ type praying. It is the best weapon we have against this nonsense.

 

[mdgspencer]

I havd worked for 30 years at a “Catholic” university where a gay organization was started some years ago. This organization promotes the gay agenda and of course acceptance of homosexual acts among its members and at the university.
From what I have observed the majority of traditionally Catholic universities in the United States have secularized and have little actual Catholic identity now, calling themselves Catholic perhaps only so that Catholic families will send their children there.
The important thing for Catholic families who wish to send their children to a Catholic college is to investigate any school they are considereing carefully. At my university, for example, a Hindu was long the chairman of the theology department, there are liturgical abuses during masses, and of course the university sponsors a gay advocacy organization (and in fact the university has affirmative action policies that includes sexual organization, so that gays cannot be discriminanted against in hiring, promotion, and no one can criticize the gay lifestyle without fear of being punished because of university policy).
The local bishops have begun dealing with such universities, and hopefully this will become more prevailent.
How did this happen? It happened gradually, quietly over years. Many of the Catholics in my area still think my university is a staunch Catholic school when actually its Catholicism is just a facade. There was no one big dramatic change. One of the worst things at my school did was to hire many non-Catholic professors so that now they are the majority, who in the last few years have be quick to fight against any attempt to restore its Catholic identity.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

and of course the university sponsors a gay advocacy organization (and in fact the university has affirmative action policies that includes sexual organization, so that gays cannot be discriminanted against in hiring, promotion, and no one can criticize the gay lifestyle without fear of being punished because of university policy).
The local bishops have begun dealing with such universities, and hopefully this will become more prevailent.
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To push to overturn this would go against the USCCB’s writing about respecting individuals with same-gender sexual preferences. There have been many threads on CAF about employment and sexual preference. The overall majority is against discrimination in employment based on sexual preference. That is also where I stand on it, no discrimination on hiring and job security based on sexual preferences. I support all universities (Catholic and otherwise) who have this in their hiring practices.

 

[anon79686166]

Why are there some homosexual clubs in some catholic universities? Why don’t they disband those clubs?

Orientation and action are separate.

There is a lack of understanding in this world, and hate because of it. Ignorance breeds intolerance.

Since orientation and action are separate, there is no problem in a Catholic University promoting understanding within a Catholic framework.

If Christians spend half the time they spend preaching about gay people instead on social justice issues, homelessness, etc. etc. etc. the world would be a MUCH better place (and I am not speaking of Catholics specifically because certainly I know Catholic social justice programs like hospitals universities etc. kick butt).

 

[Love_the_Lorax]

Total agreement here…I am not homophobic because I accept the Church’s teaching about this, any more than I am heterophobic because I accept the Church’s teachings against premarital sex for any couple. Sin is sin… Jesus showed us clearly to reject the sin when he told the woman to sin no more. Seems clear to me. I honestly do not see Jesus agreeing with gay acceptance groups - not in the idea of accepting gayness as fine and right. For a Catholic University to support sin of any kind - not just homosexual sin - is simply wrong.

We need to pray hard.

Homophobic is such a stupid word. Seriously, do you really think we “fear” gay people? I know several gay people and they are very nice people - not the least bit scary.

But they are living in sin. No question about. I don’t need to pass judgement on them - the Church says homosexual sex is sinful.

Why do the colleges allow these clubs? Obviously in this regard they are Catholic in name only. If I were an alumni, I’d yank my support in a heartbeat.

 

[Maxply]

To a large degree the sodomites create their own problems by trying to push for social support (and sometimes encouragement) of their disorder.

I sent today money to California to the Yes on 8 people simply because I’m so tired of the gay propaganda.

And two more cents: I’d like the word “gay” and the rainbow back to their regular meanings. These were nice and useful.

 

[mdgspencer]

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church under no circumstances can homosexual acts be approved (section 2357). Since such campus clubs seek to promote such approval, they go against Catholic belief. I would presume that the people on this thread that accept such clubs and the gay agenda aren’t Catholic, and I am not telling them what to believe. Still their blithe attempts to tell Catholics what to believe seems rather strange to me.
I don’t think that homosexuals should be discriminated against in such matters as employment, and in fact the Catechism speaks against that. However, it does insist that homosexual acts cannot be accepted and in fact that they are depraved.