Why are there some homosexual clubs in some catholic universities

[Love_the_Lorax]

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church under no circumstances can homosexual acts be approved (section 2357). Since such campus clubs seek to promote such approval, they go against Catholic belief. I would presume that the people on this thread that accept such clubs and the gay agenda aren’t Catholic, and I am not telling them what to believe. Still their blithe attempts to tell Catholics what to believe seems rather strange to me.
I don’t think that homosexuals should be discriminated against in such matters as employment, and in fact the Catechism speaks against that. However, it does insist that homosexual acts cannot be accepted and in fact that they are depraved.

 

[Wirraway]

the first amendment guarantees freedom of association, do these schools take federal money?

 

[Corki]

the first amendment guarantees freedom of association, do these schools take federal money?

Freedom of association means that the government cannot forbid the formation of groups with any particular agenda. It does not forbid entities, even those who may accept federal money for some programs from setting limits. For example, I can’t go to my local public school auditorium and be automatically granted the right to hold meetings of my “let’s overthrow the government” club. Nor can Jack Chick expect to come to my Church and hold an anti Catholic rally even if my Church sponsors a soup kitchen funded by the federal government’s faith based initiative program.

 

[Wirraway]

Freedom of association means that the government cannot forbid the formation of groups with any particular agenda. It does not forbid entities, even those who may accept federal money for some programs from setting limits. For example, I can’t go to my local public school auditorium and be automatically granted the right to hold meetings of my “let’s overthrow the government” club. Nor can Jack Chick expect to come to my Church and hold an anti Catholic rally even if my Church sponsors a soup kitchen funded by the federal government’s faith based initiative program.

title VI of the Civil Rights Act seems to impose a slew of federal civil rights on federal funds recipients. but I’m no expert in this matter.

you mention public schools, and while its a strawman argument to point out that you can’t go to an auditorium and expect to exercise first amendment rights, its a different question as to whether the public school can deny its own students the right to form a “let’s overthrow the goverhment” club, if it already allows a “young democrat” or “young republican” club. that is, of course, assuming that the club is merely advocating the overthrow of the government and not taking actual steps to doing so.

 

[YipYupYep]

title VI of the Civil Rights Act seems to impose a slew of federal civil rights on federal funds recipients. but I’m no expert in this matter.

Well, okay fine. Is this what the American people have fought for? That our Country has become a sewer? Ya know what. Its as simple as this. We will get what we deserve. Just turn on the TV.

" And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and is become a habitation of demons, and a hold of every unclean spirit, and a hold of every unclean and hateful bird".

 

[Wirraway]

Well, okay fine. Is this what the American people have fought for? That our Country has become a sewer? Ya know what. Its as simple as this. We will get what we deserve. Just turn on the TV.

" And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and is become a habitation of demons, and a hold of every unclean spirit, and a hold of every unclean and hateful bird".

the Civil Rights Act was a little before my service days, and I didn’t do much more than stand watch, but I’m glad of laws like the CRA and the Voting Rights Act, and a lot of the needed civil rights legislation.

 

[Corki]

title VI of the Civil Rights Act seems to impose a slew of federal civil rights on federal funds recipients. but I’m no expert in this matter.

you mention public schools, and while its a strawman argument to point out that you can’t go to an auditorium and expect to exercise first amendment rights, its a different question as to whether the public school can deny its own students the right to form a “let’s overthrow the goverhment” club, if it already allows a “young democrat” or “young republican” club. that is, of course, assuming that the club is merely advocating the overthrow of the government and not taking actual steps to doing so.

The CRA does add quite a lot of paperwork to federal funds recipients but private school generally receive funds that are related to very specific programs or students. For example, a school might have government funding of research in a lab but this does not affect the rest of the school.

Even in public school, the limits are not as much as people think. I was involved in the administration of a small public grade school, for example, and was amazed to find out that religious material is actually not prohibited as long as public money isn’t used to obtain and distribute it.

As far as what a public school has to allow for clubs, this varies by state. Elementary and secondary schools are mosty run with state money. Federal money goes to very specific programs or students. Examples are special education, free lunch program, etc. The state determines how open the school has to be to extracurricular activities and clubs. In Texas, the administration of a public school can refuse to allow a club deemed inappropriate.