Why are they still protesting? What do they want?

[Peeps]

Why are you conflating rioting, carried out by a tiny minority of criminals, with protesting. Which is carried out by an immense proportion of concerned citizens.

To the person whose business or home is destroyed by a small number of rioters, it IS a huge thing. It’s not conflated at all.

It’s really hard for that victim to see the peaceful protesters through their own tears and the rubble and dust of their ruined lives.

 

[StudentMI]

It’s really hard for that victim to see the peaceful protesters through their own tears and the rubble and dust of their ruined lives.

It’s hard to see through the smoke of blazing buildings as well.

 

[LilyM]

Freddy:

Why are you conflating rioting, carried out by a tiny minority of criminals, with protesting. Which is carried out by an immense proportion of concerned citizens.

At least 600 buildings across the Twin Cities have been vandalized, looted or had doors and windows smashed. Some have been reduced to rubble, and at least 67 have been destroyed completely by fire. Others have reported extensive water damage or severe fire damage.

A “tiny minority” must have been very busy if they managed to destroy at teast 600 buildings in Minneapolis alone. I can’t help but wonder how the “tiny minority” did in LA or NYC. They must be really proud.

It only took a couple of hijackers to destroy and damage multiple buildings on the WTC site, as well as the Pentagon, and multiple aircraft, on 9/11.

Only took one man to destroy a building in the Oklahoma City bombings.

Doesn’t actually take much or many to do a huge amount of destruction.

 

[BlueMaxx]

Same ol’ song and dance…

Cloward–Piven strategy era 1966 AD

Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They stated that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare “would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments” that would: "…deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas.”

They further wrote:

The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright

Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy.”

Rules for Radicals era 1971 AD

Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins— or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom —Lucifer.

—SAUL ALINSKY

The Rules

1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
3. “Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
8. “Keep the pressure on.”
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”
11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.”
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

 

[BlueMaxx]

Black Lives Matter mission statement era 2013 AD

#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.

We are expansive . We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front.

We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.

We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.

We affirm our humanity , our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.

The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.

ANTIFA
Antifa is an anti-fascis political movement in the United States comprising a diverse array of autonomous Leaderless resistance groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both non-violent and violent action rather than through policy Reform.
Antifa political activists engage in protest tactics such as digital activism and militancy, sometimes involving property damage, physical violence and harassment against fascists, racists and those on the[far-right.
Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian and anti-capitalist views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy and socialism Both the name antifa and the logo with two flags representing anarchism and communism are derived from the German Antifa movement.

Antifa actions have received criticism and praise from lawmakers and political commentators.
Conspiracy theories about antifa which tend to inaccurately portray antifa as a single organization with leaders and secret sources of funding have been spread by right-wing activists, media organizations and politicians including Trump administration.There have been multiple efforts to discredit antifa groups via hoaxes on social media, many of them False flag.

 

[BlueMaxx]

Anarchy In The UK

Sex Pistols era 1976 AD

Right now ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
I am an anti-Christ
I am an anarchist
Don’t know what I want
But I know how to get it
I want to destroy the passerby

'Cause I want to be anarchy
No dogs body

Anarchy for the U.K.
It’s coming sometime and maybe
I give a wrong time, stop a traffic line
Your future dream has sure been seen through

'Cause I want to be anarchy
In the city

How many ways to get what you want
I use the best, I use the rest
I use the N.M.E.
I use anarchy

 

[StudentMI]

Your future dream is a shopping spree*

 

[MamaJewel]

Anarchy In The UK

Sex Pistols era 1976 AD

hmmm, 1976 AD
if they were 18 year old anarchists then, who are still alive now…

they are going on 62 years of age
and hoping that today’s rebellions don’t result in a loss of their govt pension and benefits

Oh the times, they are a changin
Bob Dylan era 1964 AD

 

[MamaJewel]

Your future dream is a shopping spree*

nah

no shopping spree, unless that includes new hearing aids and dentures

we just want a daytime nap and to sleep through the night

 

[BlueMaxx]

BlueMaxx:

Anarchy In The UK

Sex Pistols era 1976 AD

hmmm, 1976 AD
if they were 18 year old anarchists then, who are still alive now…

they are going on 62 years of age
and hoping that today’s rebellions don’t result in a loss of their govt pension and benefits

Oh the times, they are a changin
Bob Dylan era 1964 AD

I meant it to suggest that since even before WW2 these radical ideas have been around and at times violently put into place.
The SP reference is to show that it is the young and impressionable via ever more liberal cultural revolutions that are often the ones to take up the “cause”.

Remember the Hitler youth and the Brown Shirts? Kristallnacht or the Night of Broken Glass?

The young were stirred along with older people too.

For a more recent example the Cambodian genocide, it is estimated that 1.5 to 2 million were murdered during that period…I traipsed around the area back in the 80’s in the Corps…the devastation was heart breaking.

The Khmer Rouge exploited thousands of desensitized, conscripted children in their early teens to commit mass murder and other atrocities during and after the genocide. The indoctrinated children were taught to follow any order without hesitation.[25]

The organization continued to use children extensively until at least 1998, often forcibly recruiting them. During this period, the children were deployed mainly in unpaid support roles, such as ammunition-carriers, and also as combatants. Many children had fled the Khmer Rouge without a means to feed themselves, and believed that joining the government forces would enable them to survive, although local commanders frequently denied them any pay.

Take a look at Somalia…Rwanda, child soldiers.

As we see today, these old radicals have found new life in a society that has given them everything yet they still act as if they have been denied in some way.

Now they are able to be turned more violent through a moral and ethical lapse in our society.
In my opinion when “we” as a nation failed to follow Him, He allowed us the freedom to destroy ourselves.

The horrific thing is the ones at the top driving these movements are all very rich, very powerful and their station is well above those whom they claim to share oppression with.

Useful idiots one might say.

A priest once said about confession, nothing shocks him anymore, the devil is quite boring using the same old temptations and humans continue to fall for them…no pun intended.

 

[Adamek]

The horrific thing is the ones at the top driving these movements are all very rich, very powerful and their station is well above those whom they claim to share oppression with.

Useful idiots one might say.

You have put your finger on the problem. Manipulation of the young who have been prepared by our education systems and the media to follow along like so many sheep. Useful idiots indeed. Too blind to see who is manipulating them.

 

[Anrakyr]

Maybe they are protesting because they don’t know what they want? Where is the list of demands that can be met? Where is the leader who will stand up and say; we want this to happen?

Given to whats happened to civil rights leaders in the past BLM, Antifa, Anonymous what have you are decentralized. They don’t co-opperate on a so that way there is no leader to take down. There are figureheads, people who they rally around out of respect or sympathy but not for the long term.

I think the best you can hope for is too address the issue in each town, city, state as you go.

 

[MamaJewel]

I meant it to suggest that since even before WW2 these radical ideas have been around and at times violently put into place.
…
For a more recent example the Cambodian genocide, it is estimated that 1.5 to 2 million were murdered during that period…I traipsed around the area back in the 80’s in the Corps…the devastation was heart breaking.

The Khmer Rouge exploited thousands of desensitized, conscripted children in their early teens to commit mass murder and other atrocities during and after the genocide. The indoctrinated children were taught to follow any order without hesitation.

I totally get what you conveyed.
Traipsing the area back in the 80s… hmmm
My dad did spec ops in the early days of Viet Nam.

Strange thing, or not so strange that you mention the Khmer Rouge because I had actually thought of that wicked regime when I read your Sex Pistols response.

What triggered me to think about Khmer Rouge is the fact that Tou Thao, the Asian officer that partnered with Derrick Chauvin in the George Floyd case, is Hmong out of Laos. From what I read about Thao, his family came to the US via Thailand and his older sister Kellie remembered being at a refugee camp.

Kellie is also Derrick Chauvin’s (soon to be ex) wife.

I just had to reply with Bob Dylan because I was very little, but vaguely remember the racial issues and some protests in the 70s. The not-so-nice people who were rioting, burning bags of poop, and throwing crap on the cops also preached peace, love, and happiness and ended up being the same folks that would beat each other over Cabbage Patch Kids for their Millenial children in the 80s. They also had no qualms later sending GenX into the Middle East to secure oil provisions and the Millenials to Iraq and Afghanistan for a war on terror. The irony isn’t lost on me.

The horrific thing is the ones at the top driving these movements are all very rich, very powerful and their station is well above those whom they claim to share oppression with.

In some ways, that is good to know. I was beginning to wonder if there was some non-human entity that useful idiots were serving.

A priest once said about confession, nothing shocks him anymore, the devil is quite boring using the same old temptations and humans continue to fall for them…no pun intended.

Scary thought.

 

[Adamek]

I just had to reply with Bob Dylan because I was very little, but vaguely remember the racial issues and some protests in the 70s. The not-so-nice people who were rioting, burning bags of poop, and throwing crap on the cops also preached peace, love, and happiness and ended up being the same folks that would beat each other over Cabbage Patch Kids for their Millenial children in the 80s

And we ought to remember that these are the same folks that are now our mayors, governors, senators. They are the university professors, media moguls, movie producers. They are tolerting the riots as if reliving vicariously their youth. What they are witnessing is the revolutinary fervor of their younger days and they are supportive.

 

[BlueMaxx]

A priest once said about confession, nothing shocks him anymore, the devil is quite boring using the same old temptations and humans continue to fall for them…no pun intended.

Scary thought.
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Yes, I was there also in that era, a place very far from Thailand towards the Cambodian border…doing things shall we say covertly in order to assist one side…

Spot on…Dylan is an excellent example…but you have to extrapolate a lot of the poetry to find the symbolism within the words…

You don’t need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows

(indirect reference to weather underground some say, resistance and anarchy)

Look out kid
You’re gonna get hit
But losers, cheaters
Six-time users
Hang around the theaters
Girl by the whirlpool (Washington DC Reflecting pool)
Lookin’ for a new fool
Don’t follow leaders, watch the parkin’ meters

To your point, some seem to be very myopic about these past events of atrocities instead of looking at them as a whole and the thread that connects them all, evil…people in power who have been seduced by temptation and wish to excerpt their power and initiate their ideals.
The lemmings are more than happy to blindly follow after years of public school and college indoctrination.

In the 60’s it was "question authority” “ also as Jack Weinberg’s verse was coined "Don’t trust anyone over 30 “

Now with so many unemployed but able to live off of public assistance, colleges not in session and the advent of instant communication “Even a worm will turn”

We should be viewing the events of the past as a whole, and instead of dismantling ugly issues of our past by taking down statues and trying to rework our lexicon we should instead look at these symbols and events and learn from the past lest we are doomed to repeat it…

As Lord Acton said, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

 

[MamaJewel]

We should be viewing the events of the past as a whole, and instead of dismantling ugly issues of our past by taking down statues and trying to rework our lexicon we should instead look at these symbols and events and learn from the past lest we are doomed to repeat it…

As Lord Acton said, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

Unfortunately, from the looks of things… we’re about to repeat it. And it’s sad to say that in previous eras, the masses were dealing with issues like abject poverty and genuine lack of resources. One can observe the past and see why the revolutions occurred.

I’m not saying that we do not have problems in the US, but they are 1st world problems that should be solved using logic and reasoning. We have plenty of food in the US, so it’s a matter of logistics getting it to the people. We have clean drinking water, electricity, climate controlled housing and recreational areas, sewer services, internet and streaming, and cell phones with processing capacities way far advanced than the technology we used to land on the moon.

But…
we gotta have a revolution because life is so unfair.

It boggles my mind.

Access to history is literally right there in the hands of the people, but we are going to throw everything away, including our human rights because we can bother to look at the truth of what we have become.

 

[Steeevyo]

It’s mainly “No more Trump”. If these protestors cared about black lives they would protest every weekend in Chicago or Baltimore. They never do. This is basically a movement that ranges from the Democratic Party to ultra leftist groups coming together to try and and attempt a little shakedown on our society. Vote Trump out or else …
It is political violence to influence the election.

 

[Padres1969]

m now? If you are one of the protesters, then share with us - what do you want? Do you want no more police? No more Trump?

They’ve been pretty clear. First and foremost they want police to stop killing black people, and other minorities, as they do in greater proportion to whites which even despite Floyd has been continuing to happen in places like Atlanta most recently. Secondarily they want a major redistribution of funds that go to police to community efforts that would negate much of what is currently handled by the police today, and many police I’ve seen support that idea as they’ve been increasingly burdened with roles that they had no business doing like dealing with the mentally ill. Thirdly I’ve seen many calling for the demilitarization of the police, for me that’s a big one. As an example, there’s no reason a school police department like the one in LA needs surplus M-16s, grenade launchers and an urban assault vehicle. Fourthly I’ve seen some for whom yes it is tied to Trump and his dog whistle racism, but by and large he’s not the focus of the protests, just a symptom of the underlying problem.

And they don’t want short term fixes, they want a long term fix. Short term fixes have a way of being quickly forgotten when the protesters go home.

 

[Adamek]

Access to history is literally right there in the hands of the people, but we are going to throw everything away, including our human rights because we can bother to look at the truth of what we have become.

The kiddos out in the streets have no access to history. They have been brainwashed by our public education system. They are not taught history as we know it. They are taught slavery, injustice, redistribution.
High school kids where I teach (very upscale suburban district) are convinced that the time they are living in is the worst era in history, that they are living under a dictatorship and they support black lives matters. The irony is that it is their parents that escaped the urban areas to shield the kids from the “black lives”. And the non-white population in the district is less than 1%.