Why are we not actively fighting for the lives of the unborn? What about the feminization of the Church?

[ethereality]

The following excerpt from a letter I wrote captures some of my frustration. I do not understand why we are not doing more to protect the innocent – people are dying as I write this post.

Excerpts from an email written to a frined on 1st May:

I lose faith as a Christian and suppose it's all false when I listen to Catholic Answers shows on abortion. 45 million babies murdered in USA; almost at 2 billion worldwide -- it seems God ignores each and every one of our prayers, if God is there at all, and that the "miraculous conversions" of abortionists are actually nothing more than coincidences as Richard Dawkins suggests (although I've not read any of his books yet, and have heard from critics that they're not very good). One could almost argue that if we STOPPED praying, then maybe the abortions would stop: In 2005 an estimated 1.21 million abortions occurred in the USA, according to Guttmacher Institute [guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html](http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html). You know millions were praying for an end to abortion, and you can guess how many Catholic churches in the world have Mass every day wherein we pray to Jesus, present on the altar, to grant us peace, etc. What exactly is the power of the Mass, which I think the Catechism asserts is the most powerful prayer we have? It seems to me to have no effect at all. I cannot even take comfort in the USA Today reporting that abortion is at its lowest in 30 years [usatoday.com/news/health/2008-01-16-abortion-rates_N.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-01-16-abortion-rates_N.htm), because, if it's not from an increase in contraception or ambiguous abortifacients listed as contraception, then we don't know the cause. It doesn't seem reasonable to me to ever *assume* that a prayer has been answered: Every "answered prayer" people report that I've seen could also be described as coincidental; this outcome just resulted from laws of nature, and you just happened to pray about it beforehand.

I want to believe in a God who does more than sit back and let us be confused by coincidences.

...] If I had to make up a percentage of church activities, I would say it's 70% women, making American Catholic Christianity feel like a woman's religion.

I wanted to say, though, that I most commonly see women sit, read and pray at church, as exemplified in Eucharist Adoration. But unborn children are being murdered. It seems to me that, as a minimum, men should break in and steal the abortionist's equipment!

Think of a war scenario -- more unborn children have been murdered in the USA than the entire deathtoll of World War 2, so I think it's a fair request. The women stay home to nurture the children and keep the home while the men go off to war. It is fitting, then, for women to pray for an end to abortion. But what do the men do? They don't sit passively and pray -- they go and they *fight*. Violent films are appealing to men, where the bad guy gets what he deserves. You remember the recent movie, Iron Man? Wildly successful, and not just in America! In it is a scene where terrorists are about to slaughter every man in the village, and here comes Iron Man to save the day, killing the belligerents -- what they deserve (according to the film) -- and gives the leader to the people to be punished as the people see fit -- justice has been served.

A real man would at least break the abortionist's hands so he couldn't operate the abortion tweezers. The Church teaches that in matters of life and death, lethal force is legitimate if necessary to protect the innocent. Thus, it is not outrageous to kill abortionists who, having clear knowledge of their murder, continue to do it. It is in this context that I say that the Church today wants men to act like women and sit by passively and pray.

Well, you can go pray outside an abortion facility and count how many not-pregnant-anymore women come out of it. Or, you can get a man to burn that facility to the ground (at night when no one is inside it), and in the previous scenario's same amount of time, count how many not-pregnant-anymore women come out of it -- the number will be far smaller -- namely, zero: No babies would be murdered there.

Of course it's not a solution to the *problem* of abortion in society -- the solution is education. But we must act to save lives *in addition to* acting to solve the problem causing the deaths of those lives. But rendering the abortionist incapable of murder is a manly action that would save lives. But from fear, the Church teaches not to fight back. From fear, the Church tells men to act like women, sitting there praying. Yes, I am here saying that praying for an end to evil actions is a womanly action, because the manly action is to go out and stop the evil action from happening. The former is passive, the latter is active. Prayer is passive because it does not bring direct results.

This morning, Fr. Benedict Groeschel and another priest were discussing the 20th century (Catholic) Christian persecution in Mexico, and how Americans sat and did nothing – and they commented how it was a terrible era in American history. Perhaps they prayed, but no action was taken against the Mexican government and military that martyred so many priests.

Today, precisely the same thing is happening regarding the persecution of the unborn – they are being actively killed, and we are sitting by “doing nothing”. I consider prayer of no earthly value, because I have never seen a single thing result from it except an hour spent alone within a church in Tennessee while about two babies were murdered.

We pray in the Our Father that God’s kingdom come on earth, as it is in heaven. Why don’t we do anything for God’s kingdom on earth? I heard from a Catholic Answers LIVE show that someone told Mother Teresa that blocking abortion clinics was made illegal, and that her immediate reply was that she would be sitting in a jail right now.

 

[Marc_Anthony]

I’m offended that you think that we’re doing nothing to help the unborn. We’re doing quite a lot. Look up the organizations “Priests for Life” and “40 days for life”. Look up the March for Life in Washington D.C. which gets hundreds of thousands of pro-lifers attending.

Also, I don’t get why you think prayer doesn’t work. For the first time in quite a long time more than fifty percent of the country is pro-life. I think that this is definitely a miracle of prayer.

 

[ethereality]

Two things I wanted to say in my original post, but was unable due to length constraints:

1. 
   *]Concerning the estimate, 2 abortions per hour in Tennessee (my home state): johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa/ab-usa-TN.html estimates 15950 Tennessean abortions in year 2005. Assuming the same rate for this year, 15950 abortions/year / (365 days/year * 24 hours/day) = about 2 abortions/hour.
   *]I see the failure of Christians to stand up and fight for the unborn as utterly despicable, a betrayal of the Christian faith, and it makes me thoroughly sick. I have no motivation to do my school work, even, because this failure makes such actions of less importance seem completely pointless.
   I suppose that I am being tempted to despair.

 

[ethereality]

Look up the organizations “Priests for Life” and “40 days for life”. Look up the March for Life in Washington D.C. which gets hundreds of thousands of pro-lifers attending.

I was on the 40 Days for Life mailing list; year before last, I participated in their daily devotional prayers, since I was unable as a college student to regularly travel to abortion facilities. Concerning their recent campaign, they write in their November 9 2009 letter, “More than 580 babies were spared from abortion”.

They reported 580 babies spared for their Fall 2009 campaign, and assume that more than that were saved. Even if we almost double the number to 1000, comparing it with 2005’s national figure of 1206200 is disheartening: 1000/1206200*100% = 0.08% – this figure is negligible, eight-hundredths of one percent. Studying science as an undergraduate, I conclude that the 40 Days for Life prayer and social activities accomplished nothing except trust in God for many of those who participated. (Participating in their 2008 campaign, I did not have the heart to participate in their 2009 campaign, so little were the results.) Sitting peacefully by and praying accomplishes nothing – God let all those Jews die in the Holocaust, and it seems to me he will continue letting babies die. The 508 babies are surely valued by God, but that doesn’t help the 819,643 who will likely die. (I’m estimating from the data at johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html )

Also, I don’t get why you think prayer doesn’t work.

I point to the overwhelming defeat of the 40 Days for Life campaign; I’ve not seen anything from the Priests for Life except a priest getting arrested at Notre Dame, serving to make already-sincere Catholics indignant.

For the first time in quite a long time more than fifty percent of the country is pro-life. I think that this is definitely a miracle of prayer.

It’s irrelevant that a slim majority of the country disagrees with abortion, when the U.S. Congress has passed legislation mandating national taxpayer funding of abortion, and I don’t see that they are actually pro-life; I’d appreciate any sources you have for me.

 

[Marc_Anthony]

40 days for life has not failed at all. Abortion clinics have actually shut down as a result of their campaigning.

580 babies saved may not compare to the amount being killed, but you bet that if you ask those 580 children they’ll tell you that 40 days fo life was a rousing success.

fallibleblogma.com/index.php/what-40-days-for-life-has-accomplished-in-only-3-years/#more-3271

fallibleblogma.com/index.php/another-abortion-center-bites-the-dust/

fallibleblogma.com/index.php/good-fridays-ten-reasons-the-pro-life-movement-is-winning/

(You can tell I love fallible blogma.)

 

[poetryforjesus]

I think that your love for the unborn is admirable. It’s true that christians must all come to the defense of the unborn with more vigor and determination.

That said, though, we should not make ourselves out to be more righteous than God, as if we care more for the unborn than God does. Of course God hears our prayer, but God will accomplish His will in His way and in His timing, and He also does not take away the free will of individual sinners. Do we really want to tell God it’s wrong that He allows bad things to happen despite our prayers? Then I suppose the crucifixion of Jesus was also a colossal failure on God’s part! But we know by faith that it was not.

We must trust God and do our duty. Besides that, there is no use in lamenting. We cannot change other people. We cannot force God to do as we wish. We can only participate with God’s grace and fulfill our duty, whether it be prayer, informing others, doing our everyday tasks, whatever.

 

[Julian0404]

Ruth Graham, wife of Billy Graham has made the statement, “That if God does not punish America, then HE owes an apology to Sodom and Gomorah”.

So, ethereality, leave it to God to bring the justice that only God can bring. You bring your prayers of mercy before God for both the innocent and the guilty (… forgive us … as we forgive those who trespass against us…). Likewise you need to maintain " a state of grace " to be ready when the day of judgement upon America does arrive.

However, blaming God for mans sins and professing murder or robbery or other criminal acts is just what satan wants and desires. Throw away your faith and seek the “old testament” justice of an eye-for-eye; even after God Commandement in # 5, THOU SHALL NOT COMMITT MURDER. Run around claiming “the means justifies the ends, the means justifies the ends, the means justifies the ends…” only further weakens your faith.

Stay the course. Run the good race. Fight within the frame work we have and that has been established by Priest for Life. Above all, embrace the Rosary.

 

[WatchingMedia]

The failure regarding abortions is a failure on the part of INDIVIDUALS. Catholics keep voting in pro-abortion candidates.
Don’t blame the Church or others. Get out there yourself and scrutinize the candidates in all your elections. Help good candidates financially or at their campaign headquarters.

Abortion is an area that our Church does an excellent job in its teaching.
See “Priests for Life” on the internet. They have great ideas.

 

[ethereality]

We can only participate with God’s grace and fulfill our duty, whether it be prayer, informing others, doing our everyday tasks, whatever.

I bolded the key point of this thread: I feel we have a duty to do more than “pray, inform others, and our everyday tasks” – what you wrote, which has been all that has been recently done. Your ambivalence is the problem I am addressing in this thread: I feel we have a duty to more fully participate with God’s grace by, to name a few actions:

• blocking abortion facility entrances
• destroying abortion facilities
• stealing the abortion equipment

There are more actions that can be done to render the abortionist unable to murder, including the use of lethal force – and all these actions you listed dismissively as “whatever”. I will now refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Legitimate defense

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. “The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not.”

…]

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, nonlethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.]

When the established government fails to act to protect society, responsibility is relegated to those members of society who are capable of doing so. The killing of the abortionist is clearly not necessary, when one can remove the abortion equipment or otherwise render him unable to use it. Even something as crude as breaking an abortionist’s fingers, while seeming vile, is not nearly as vile as his action of killing the unborn, and such action is merciful to him as he voids his right to life with the murderous actions through which he establishes his career. (As Christians, we are compelled to show such mercy – thus the Catechism argues for life imprisonment for established societies, rather than the death penalty.)

I’m reminded of a police officer facing an assailant with a knife, charging towards his next victim. We are the police officers; the abortionists are the assailants with the knives. Recently, we have failed to act, praying that the assailant will stop, and then we somehow are surprised to find the victim’s throat slashed.

Why are you not disabling the abortion facilities? Is it a lack of courage? A lack of awareness of what is happening within those walls? A lack of faith that God uses people to accomplish his will?

 

[Julian0404]

How many votes does it take to elect a President of the US ?
Answer: 50 million

How many Catholics are there in America?
Answer: 65 million

Therefore, abortion rest squarley upon the shoulders of Catholics. Catholic senators, congressman and voters. We can move America like no other group, except, and obviously - the majority of us are not “believing - practicing - praying - active” Catholics. Incredibly, we must believe that the title “Catholic” must in and of itself carry some salvation - which it does not. TO THOSE TO WHOM MUCH HAS BEEN GIVEN, MUCH WILL BE EXPECTED.

Abortion is our sin. We allowed it. We accepted it. We embraced it, and it began with contraception. Whenever God’s judgement upon our nation does arrive over the murder of 40 million babies and counting, I expect the Catholic Church in America to be a primary target of HIS wrath and vengence.

 

[WatchingMedia]

The Church does **NOT **condone theft or destruction of other people’s property. It does not support killing or chaos.

Go to “Priests for Life” for appropriate action answers.
Father Pavone is a good Priest, and the National Director.
priestsforlife.org/

Do not take anything from the Catechism out of context. ! ! ! ! !
Read in its entirety

Do let the Church get hijacked by the far left, or by the far right.

 

[ethereality]

Julian0404, you fail to recognize that God uses people to accomplish his justice on earth. Recall what God commanded the Israelites to do upon entering the Promised Land? God had the Israelites destroy the wicked nations, ordering them to burn the cities, killing not only the animals but every man, woman and child. My point here is that God uses people to enact his justice, and just wars have been fought in the past. God rarely sent out legions of angels to fight in place of his people – read the Bible, and you will find that he sends them with his people, fighting alongside them.

Julian0404, the vision you have today of a people who do no fighting whatsoever is a confused one that falsely depicts Jesus as an utter pacifist. Did Jesus remain outside his Father’s temple and only pray that the money-changers’ tables be overturned? The Bible is a record of action and prayer, not only of prayer; Jesus went out and served the poor; he did not only stay in the Temple and pray that they would be served.

We know the faith without works is dead, and that we show our faith through our works. Jesus commands us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and protect the innocent. Recall James 2:14-26 and note verses 14 through 17. How worse are we today, when people are dying and we do not give them the protection needed for life!

 

[ethereality]

WatchingMedia, the Church does condone killing when it is just, and it condones war when the war is just. Furthermore, I have never mentioned chaos – I am discussing precisely the fighting of chaos. How chaotic are the minds of Christians who pray for an end to evil but do nothing to stop it? How chaotic is a society that recognizes that the termination of pregnancies is the termination of human persons, disagrees with it yet remains inactive? Does a corrupt government have a chain around your neck?

Also, to be clear, I mentioned alternatives to killing, and explicitly said that killing was not necessary. I did assert that the abortionist has voided his right to life through murder, and, as with everything I write, I am seeking a validation of my understanding, implicitly asking, “Is this correct?” “Don’t you agree?”

Furthermore, what I have advocated is not robbery! Refer back to CCC 2265, which I quoted previously: “The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm.”

The confiscation of abortion equipment is not unjust, nor is it rightly called ‘theft’.

 

[ethereality]

Go to “Priests for Life” for appropriate action answers.
Father Pavone is a good Priest, and the National Director.
priestsforlife.org/

I’ll check it out, although, as I’ve said, I’ve never noticed anything from them to have been effective. It seems they serve primarily to pacify the indignant.

Do not take anything from the Catechism out of context. ! ! ! ! !
Read in its entirety

Of course, and I have read all of Sacred Scripture twice, have read the entirety of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and attend Mass as much as possible. (I host my reading list on my website for ease of reference and book recommendation.)

 

[WatchingMedia]

Your thinking and not using the Catechism in full context, can harm all the gains that have been made recently with the public. An Army can wipe out law breakers in seconds and the abortions would go on. You must win the hearts and minds of the majority with the TRUTH for anything to be more permanent.
Jesus did not kill those who persecuted the early Christians. He did not destroy their property that was used to kill the Christians. Yet their Faith spread to over a billion today - because it is the TRUTH.

Go to: priestsforlife.org/
if you really want to be useful follow their lead.

I think some may get a chuckle out of your statement about the corrupt government having a chain around my neck. See my post today about - not letting the Church be hijacked for political reasons. There is a right way, and a wrong way to do everything.

This is another great site to educate the public regarding human development not related to any Church. It’s the latest technolgy.
ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=5
Endowment for Human Development if the link does not work.

 

[ethereality]

40 days for life has not failed at all. Abortion clinics have actually shut down as a result of their campaigning.

It’s not clear whether those five clinics (a very small number) simply relocated.

580 babies saved may not compare to the amount being killed, but you bet that if you ask those 580 children they’ll tell you that 40 days fo life was a rousing success.

We must consider the accomplishment of objectives. In terms of saving lives, saving their lives constituted 580 successes, but we must compare the 580 saved with total number murdered to see whether it was overall a success or failure. I think it safe to assume that it failed to end abortion in every state of the campaign, and in every major city of the campaign.

fallibleblogma.com/index.php/what-40-days-for-life-has-accomplished-in-only-3-years/#more-3271

To summarize this webpage, in three years there they’ve documented that:

• 2,702 lives saved from abortion
• 28 abortion workers quit their jobs
• 5 abortion facilities shut down for good

My frustration is that, examining society as a whole, these accomplishments are worth very little. I want to live in a good society, in a good world, not in a rotten society and corrupt world. I want legislation that protects life, not legislation that requires me to pay for its murder.

fallibleblogma.com/index.php/good-fridays-ten-reasons-the-pro-life-movement-is-winning/

This webpage refers the reader to Ten Reasons Why the Pro-life Movement is Winning by Fr. Frank Pavone. I will respond to his reasons:

1. • The survivors. I see more apathy than ever before, and among my peers I am alone. Based on my experience, Fr. Pavone is wrong.
   • The flow of conversions. The flow seems small to me, and as Fr. Pavone himself says, the politicians care more about votes than lives, and these politicians remain in power. How can I have hope when these powerful traitors remain in power, despite everything I do?
   • I regret my abortion. The number of people ensnared in the contraceptive mindset far surpasses the number of people regretting an abortion, and the number of people being indoctrinated into the contraceptive mindset is much greater than those who hear those who regret their abortions, Christians included.
   • Few doctors … fewer mills. The latest so-called “health care” legislation creates new centers for abortion and the requirement that they be funded by us. How many people in power follow Christian teaching? The Obama administration contradicts Christian teaching on every point, the U.N. continues its condom and sterilization campaign – Jesus does not reign over those who reign over us, and we are unwilling to act against them, as I’ve said, unwilling to refuse to obey their unjust laws, remaining passive in prayer.
   • Legal evidence mounts. Fr. Pavone suggests the courts will recognize the Christian teaching concerning the unborn at the same time that the courts are moving in the opposite direction concerning human sexuality. Americans are becoming stupider, not smarter, and our government is becoming more evil, not less.
   • Abortion research. Science has become very political, and those with negative ideologies use or ignore it to their destruction. The fact is that science is twisted or ignored by those who are against the truth.
   • No more arguments. As I said in my previous point, those who are against the truth are not persuaded by logical argument. I have discovered this through experience in discussing the matter with pro-abortion people.
   • Even in politics…. Obama was elected president. Although he was clear in his support for abortion, he persuaded many Christians through propaganda, using their ignorance and their stupidity. Thus, as has been already stated, Catholics were not united in their opposition to Obama, and furthermore, some 27% of abortions in USA come from Catholic parents. Propaganda and laziness have become rooted in our culture such that evil remains in power in the government.
   • Legislation galore. The recent so-called “health care” legislation, combined with the confusion and ignorance of many Christians, demonstrates that whatever good legislation passed have been temporarily, inconsequential victories: Victory can only come from an educated and united Christian movement within society, which is inhibited physically and spiritually by public education and Protestantism.
   • Corruption uncovered. It seems to me that evil will continue growing until Jesus returns – Jimmy Akin has spoken now and then of the “massive falling away” that will occur within the Church, and he believes it hasn’t happened yet. To say that the abortion facilities will destroy themselves through malpractice seems wishful thinking: Politicians can openly break the law and continue in office. If they can, how much more easily will those outside of the public eye remain in operation, and we must remember that “the public eye” is already guided by an evil money-loving media, both in television and film.
   So, yes, I have no hope, because I only see God acting through people, and I see people doing nothing. Therefore, I see God doing nothing.

 

[edwest2]

Your thinking is not correct. How long did it take to end slavery? How long did the Israelites wait in Egypt before God brought them out?

This isn’t about money or breaking fingers.

What some Catholics forget is that saving even one life is saving a life.

This isn’t about politics either, except the realization that in order to be elected (that’s right, elected) to the Supreme Court, you must be pro-abortion.

First – stop the casual sex. The stated reason for most abortions is Contraceptive Failure. When you’re with somebody where just sex is part of the “fun” then odds are neither of you are prepared for a Baby. Got that?

Sex is for Having Babies. It’s not a plaything.

Realize that in 1972, I watched on TV as women told America: “Please, please, have compassion on those poor young women dying in back-alley abortions. Please! We’ll only use it in cases of emergency like rape or incest or to save the life of the mother. Please!”

And they added this: “Abortion is the most difficult decision a woman will ever have to make and is between her and her GOD.” Funny, God sort of left the picture not long after that.

Then in the 1970s, to help married men and young unmarried men better focus on a proper relationship with their wives and girlfriends, Adult Bookstores appeared everywhere selling graphic images of prostitutes. Topless go-go bars opened up. Swingers magazines full of ads where people were looking for other people for Casual Sex. Got that? Was that all a Catholic Idea? Anybody?

By the end of 1970s, Feminist Icon Gloria Steinem was telling women: “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” Betty Friedan called the family “a comfortable concentration camp.”

In the 1980s, Sue Ellen on Dallas is driving a car while drinking liquor straight out of the bottle. A few years previous, that Would Never Have Been Allowed on TV.

In the 1980s, No-Fault Divorce completed its sweep of the country. I opened the paper to see a lot of classified ads like this: “No kids? $75.00 and you’re out. Call 800-DIVORCE.”

Wake up my Fellow Catholics. We as a country have been conditioned to accept ‘just sex.’ A meaningless experience where the man instantly disappears after the woman becomes pregnant.

God bless,
Ed

 

[Marc_Anthony]

What was your purpose in setting up this thread? Was it to convince each and evey one of us that all hope is lost? Or was it to look at all the facts objectively and try and figure out what’s really happening?

 

[ethereality]

What was your purpose in setting up this thread? …] was it to look at all the facts objectively and try and figure out what’s really happening?

It was foremost to ask why no one is fighting abortion, but only praying about it. It is absurd to imagine Christians only praying about feeding the homeless, but not actually doing it; for them to only pray about vocations, but no one joining the priesthood; etc. And yet abortion is more a matter of life and death than hunger, and more finally stops men from joining the priesthood than television. Do we only pray that the Church will receive financial support, and no one tithe?

I try always to reason rationally; if you feel I have not been objective in my analysis, please show me my errors.

God allowing the Israelites to be enslaved for 400 years has always saddened me, entire generations living and dying enslaved, while praying for freedom. It teaches us that justice on earth does not exist, and that their entire lives being enslaved is not unjust because they met Jesus after death, as he finally preached to those in prison after his crucifixion.

We cannot directly apply God’s answering their prayers to our prayers for abortion, however, because we are now adopted sons of God, by virtue of our baptism – the Israelites, at the time of their enslavement, were not. I would expect a loving Father to not leave his children in abject ignorance of his plan for the family. We are told that Jesus will conquer the devil at the end of time, but we are not told why our prayers for an end to abortion have not been answered. We are told that Jesus has conquered death, yet death remains the most obvious aspect of our existence.

Considering the decline in abortion since the 1980’s, according to the Guttmacher Institute, I do not know how the causes of contraception, abortifacient and answered prayer each contribute, so we cannot say whether any prayer has been answered. Perhaps the decline is due exclusively to over-the-counter abortifacients, such that the unborn are dying at home instead of at the so-called “Planned Parenthood”.

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

The conjecture in this thread is palpable. To take one concept and usurp it for ones own purpose is contrary to the truth. God’s Grace is not made effective by us or anything we do. This would make God dependent on us for His ends.

One also does not increase charity by hating the sinner.

The idea that we can stop evil by any means necessary is wrong. It is insinuating that we and not God can stop evil which is absolutely incorrect. We, as is only too clear in this world, can do nothing without Jesus, as He said in John 15:5:

5 I am the vine: you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.

Death is not the worst thing, St. Paul counted death as gain. Hell is the worst, which is separation from God, and is the result of not doing the Will of God. If His Will for us is to physically fight abortion then we should or we risk losing His Grace. It is contrary to God’s revealed Word to hate those who do wrong and harm them in any way.