Why are we not actively fighting for the lives of the unborn? What about the feminization of the Church?

[Marc_Anthony]

It was foremost to ask why no one is fighting abortion, but only praying about it. It is absurd to imagine Christians only praying about feeding the homeless, but not actually doing it; for them to only pray about vocations, but no one joining the priesthood; etc. And yet abortion is more a matter of life and death than hunger, and more finally stops men from joining the priesthood than television. Do we only pray that the Church will receive financial support, and no one tithe?

I try always to reason rationally; if you feel I have not been objective in my analysis, please show me my errors.

God allowing the Israelites to be enslaved for 400 years has always saddened me, entire generations living and dying enslaved, while praying for freedom. It teaches us that justice on earth does not exist, and that their entire lives being enslaved is not unjust because they met Jesus after death, as he finally preached to those in prison after his crucifixion.

We cannot directly apply God’s answering their prayers to our prayers for abortion, however, because we are now adopted sons of God, by virtue of our baptism – the Israelites, at the time of their enslavement, were not. I would expect a loving Father to not leave his children in abject ignorance of his plan for the family. We are told that Jesus will conquer the devil at the end of time, but we are not told why our prayers for an end to abortion have not been answered. We are told that Jesus has conquered death, yet death remains the most obvious aspect of our existence.

Considering the decline in abortion since the 1980’s, according to the Guttmacher Institute, I do not know how the causes of contraception, abortifacient and answered prayer each contribute, so we cannot say whether any prayer has been answered. Perhaps the decline is due exclusively to over-the-counter abortifacients, such that the unborn are dying at home instead of at the so-called “Planned Parenthood”.

I’m sorry if I sound arrogant, I realize afte reading that I do come off that way and that is not my intention. However, you’re just flat out wrong to suggest that all the Church is doing is praying to end abortion. They are probably the best force against abortion in the entire world. Every time somebody has posted something positive, you have done your best to completely shoot it down.

Also, I see a different issue here. Your real problem seems to be that you’re undergoing a dark night of the soul. You think God is not answering your prayers. But that isn’t really relevant to the secular things the Church is doing to end abortion, is it?

Look up the march for life. The media coverage of the event is brutal, but I can tell you that hundreds of thousands of people were there at D.C. making a stand (I wasn’t there myself, unfortunately, but several of my friends attended). The event is inspiring.

 

[elts1956]

I bolded the key point of this thread: I feel we have a duty to do more than “pray, inform others, and our everyday tasks” – what you wrote, which has been all that has been recently done. Your ambivalence is the problem I am addressing in this thread: I feel we have a duty to more fully participate with God’s grace by, to name a few actions:

• blocking abortion facility entrances
• destroying abortion facilities
• stealing the abortion equipment

There are more actions that can be done to render the abortionist unable to murder, including the use of lethal force – and all these actions you listed dismissively as “whatever”. I will now refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church: When the established government fails to act to protect society, responsibility is relegated to those members of society who are capable of doing so. The killing of the abortionist is clearly not necessary, when one can remove the abortion equipment or otherwise render him unable to use it. Even something as crude as breaking an abortionist’s fingers, while seeming vile, is not nearly as vile as his action of killing the unborn, and such action is merciful to him as he voids his right to life with the murderous actions through which he establishes his career. (As Christians, we are compelled to show such mercy – thus the Catechism argues for life imprisonment for established societies, rather than the death penalty.)

I’m reminded of a police officer facing an assailant with a knife, charging towards his next victim. We are the police officers; the abortionists are the assailants with the knives. Recently, we have failed to act, praying that the assailant will stop, and then we somehow are surprised to find the victim’s throat slashed.

Why are you not disabling the abortion facilities? Is it a lack of courage? A lack of awareness of what is happening within those walls? A lack of faith that God uses people to accomplish his will?

We are obliged to obey civil law. If we did not, what right would we have to complain if others break it by destroying churches, synogogues or other personal and public property. The people either directly participating in abortion, or supporting it, have broken one of the ten greatest Commandments given to us by God. It is not up to us to wreak vengeance on them. “Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord”.

We are obliged to peacefully oppose this atrocity in any way we can. But violence is not the answer. Violence begets violence.

 

[ethereality]

We are obliged to obey civil law.

That is true only if the law does not contradict divine law. Blocking entrances to abortion facilities, however, is no different from blacks occupying seats in public restaurants in the 1960’s, and Dr. Martin Luther King received much criticism from Protestants precisely with your mentality, when he in fact was fighting the Christian fight with civil disobedience, required by God to fight against injustice.

Removing abortion equipment would then be akin to removing “Colored Entrance” or “Whites Only” signs – actively fighting evil is not a sin. Jesus forcibly overturned the money-changers’ tables; he did not ask them to take them down.

It is not up to us to wreak vengeance on them. “Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord”.

Absolutely, but I have not mentioned vengeance, only actions to protect the innocent, as taught by the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Again, when the government fails to act, responsibility is relegated to those members of society able to act. Our government has failed in its responsibility to fight pornography and abortion, to name only two evils. Thus, it is our turn to fight them. The temple leaders failed to remove the money-changers, so Jesus did it. He did not only kneel outside the temple and pray for them to have a change of heart, and hold up a sign asking the money-changers to end their transactions. Rather, he was filled with righteous anger and stopped them from committing such evil. (Of course, he also taught and prayed for them, and this is my point: It is a combination of all of the above, not only prayer and education, but also action.)

But violence is not the answer. Violence begets violence.

Please see the CCC sections I quoted; even the Bible says there is a time to love and a time to kill – violence is not always unacceptable. Even lethal force – which I have said is not necessary – is morally acceptable in defense against murder, in accordance with the Church’s just war doctrine. The abortionists could be sentenced to death by a sound jury – and yet there is such opposition to something far more peaceful, simply rendering them unable to commit murder. I really don’t understand it. Are people afraid to live according to the laws of God, rather than the laws of men, laws that demand that we fight for the innocent?

 

[CAnnElizabeth]

I really find this whole thread and the violence you propose extremely disturbing. You don’t solve the problem of legalized abortion by “cutting off the abortionist’s fingers” or burning down a facility.

This is a country governed by the rule of law. Of course we Catholics hate and abhor the legality of abortion and the millions of innocent lives lost because of it, but MORE violence is never the answer. Changing the law is one answer, and, as you pointed out, education is another – but advocating torture and violence against those who practice LEGAL medical procedures is a form of sedition and, let’s face it, terrorism.

You’re over the line here, and I’m surprised this thread still exists when other, more benign, opinions are deleted from these boards regularly.

 

[ethereality]

CAnnElizabeth, I suggested breaking, but you erroneously quoted me as saying dismembering! How shocking! Suggesting torture as a method of protecting the unborn from death is obviously absurd, and I resent being misrepresented as such a lunatic.

Furthermore, destroying an empty building avoids injury to people, and is certainly not terrorism, because the motivation is different – but never mind, I’m not here now to argue. Discussing many points from this thread with a deacon this morning, he made it clear that direct actions against abortion facilities would hinder the prolife movement, rather than help it, for the simple reason that society is not behind them: Abortion is a sin of society, and thus society must rectify the matter; any individualistic action, one lacking the support of a society, to correct a societal problem is either insignificant or harmful.

To visualize this, consider the Allied army coming in during Nazi Germany, destroying the concentration camps and freeing the prisoners, i.e. protecting them from murder. This is analogous to destroying the abortion facilities (say, while empty at night) to protect the unborn from murder – but currently, there is no army, and there is no society supporting the army, i.e. there is no unified movement against the abortion facilities. The right action would be seen as wrong by confused people because the context establishing it to be right is missing.

Thus, before we can block entrances to abortion facilities, or confiscate their equipment, the majority of society must be aware that innocent people are being brought there to be murdered, and that these instruments of death are being used to murder them. Ultimately, then, the building would be evacuated, rather than destroyed, and redeemed by the Church as it could be converted into a women’s health clinic.

 

[edwest2]

CAnnElizabeth, I suggested breaking, but you erroneously quoted me as saying dismembering! How shocking! Suggesting torture as a method of protecting the unborn from death is obviously absurd, and I resent being misrepresented as such a lunatic.

Furthermore, destroying an empty building avoids injury to people, and is certainly not terrorism, because the motivation is different – but never mind, I’m not here now to argue. Discussing many points from this thread with a deacon this morning, he made it clear that direct actions against abortion facilities would hinder the prolife movement, rather than help it, for the simple reason that society is not behind them: Abortion is a sin of society, and thus society must rectify the matter; any individualistic action, one lacking the support of a society, to correct a societal problem is either insignificant or harmful.

To visualize this, consider the Allied army coming in during Nazi Germany, destroying the concentration camps and freeing the prisoners, i.e. protecting them from murder. This is analogous to destroying the abortion facilities (say, while empty at night) to protect the unborn from murder – but currently, there is no army, and there is no society supporting the army, i.e. there is no unified movement against the abortion facilities. The right action would be seen as wrong by confused people because the context establishing it to be right is missing.

Thus, before we can block entrances to abortion facilities, or confiscate their equipment, the majority of society must be aware that innocent people are being brought there to be murdered, and that these instruments of death are being used to murder them. Ultimately, then, the building would be evacuated, rather than destroyed, and redeemed by the Church as it could be converted into a women’s health clinic.

The Allies did not destroy Concentration Camps. If anything, parts of the camps were destroyed by retreating Germans.

Prayer is the only proper weapon of the Catholic.

God bless,
Ed

 

[ethereality]

The Allies did not destroy Concentration Camps.

Thanks for your correction. I suppose I was carrying on a bit; my point is that they actively protected the prisoners from the gas chambers; they did not stop short of their obligation to protect the innocent by merely camping outside, praying and holding signs.

 

[edwest2]

Thanks for your correction. I suppose I was carrying on a bit; my point is that they actively protected the prisoners from the gas chambers; they did not stop short of their obligation to protect the innocent by merely camping outside, praying and holding signs.

Uh, no. The sight of approaching Allied troops (and tanks) caused the camp guards to run off.

The Catholic does not solve problems by violence. Are you advocating violence? Count me out.

God bless,
Ed

 

[Forte]

Etherreality: What’s with all the violence? Do you really think coming off as an extremist is going to educate women and couples against abortion? I seem to remember some guy in the bible saying blessed are the peacemakers.

 

[St_Francis]

Ethereality,
I used to think as you do, that the violence would be the right way to go, but then I read about civil actions just under the just war part of the CCC, and basically, it seems that you would have to follow the just war theory in order to act in the manner which you are advocating

From ¶2309

• the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;

- all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;

- there must be serious prospects of success;

- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modem means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

The problem is that using force or violence would violate these parts of the just war theory. We have not finished with the political debate; we do not have at this time serious prospects of success; nor can we think that this would not lead to greater disorder than we currently have.

We do not have a nation in which most people are totally against abortion, which is imposed upon us by a tyrannical government. We have a nation in which several hundred thousand women *pay for *abortions. And sad to say that apparently proportionately “Catholic” women obtain abortions in the same numbers as non-Catholics

There is a poster on this board who goes and talks to women under the PA law, I think. Women who want to get abortions have to see someone first. This poster has developed a non-religious “class” on the subject, and instructs the women about abortion.

Maybe God is calling you to do more than pray, but He is not calling you to violence. Are you a man? Maybe He is calling you to talk with *men *about this; all too many men are perfectly willing to abdicate from the discussion and take advantage of abortion’s legality after they have contributed to the conception of a child at the wrong time for them.

 

[Redratfish]

The following excerpt from a letter I wrote captures some of my frustration. I do not understand why we are not doing more to protect the innocent – people are dying as I write this post.

Excerpts from an email written to a frined on 1st May:

I wanted to say, though, that I most commonly see women sit, read and pray at church, as exemplified in Eucharist Adoration. But unborn children are being murdered. It seems to me that, as a minimum, men should break in and steal the abortionist's equipment!

Think of a war scenario -- more unborn children have been murdered in the USA than the entire deathtoll of World War 2, so I think it's a fair request. The women stay home to nurture the children and keep the home while the men go off to war. It is fitting, then, for women to pray for an end to abortion. But what do the men do? They don't sit passively and pray -- they go and they *fight*. Violent films are appealing to men, where the bad guy gets what he deserves. You remember the recent movie, Iron Man? Wildly successful, and not just in America! In it is a scene where terrorists are about to slaughter every man in the village, and here comes Iron Man to save the day, killing the belligerents -- what they deserve (according to the film) -- and gives the leader to the people to be punished as the people see fit -- justice has been served.

A real man would at least break the abortionist's hands so he couldn't operate the abortion tweezers. The Church teaches that in matters of life and death, lethal force is legitimate if necessary to protect the innocent. Thus, it is not outrageous to kill abortionists who, having clear knowledge of their murder, continue to do it. It is in this context that I say that the Church today wants men to act like women and sit by passively and pray.

Well, you can go pray outside an abortion facility and count how many not-pregnant-anymore women come out of it. Or, you can get a man to burn that facility to the ground (at night when no one is inside it), and in the previous scenario's same amount of time, count how many not-pregnant-anymore women come out of it -- the number will be far smaller -- namely, zero: No babies would be murdered there.

Of course it's not a solution to the *problem* of abortion in society -- the solution is education. But we must act to save lives *in addition to* acting to solve the problem causing the deaths of those lives. But rendering the abortionist incapable of murder is a manly action that would save lives. But from fear, the Church teaches not to fight back. From fear, the Church tells men to act like women, sitting there praying. Yes, I am here saying that praying for an end to evil actions is a womanly action, because the manly action is to go out and stop the evil action from happening. The former is passive, the latter is active. Prayer is passive because it does not bring direct results.

This morning, Fr. Benedict Groeschel and another priest were discussing the 20th century (Catholic) Christian persecution in Mexico, and how Americans sat and did nothing – and they commented how it was a terrible era in American history. Perhaps they prayed, but no action was taken against the Mexican government and military that martyred so many priests.

We pray in the Our Father that God’s kingdom come on earth, as it is in heaven. Why don’t we do anything for God’s kingdom on earth? I heard from a Catholic Answers LIVE show that someone told Mother Teresa that blocking abortion clinics was made illegal, and that her immediate reply was that she would be sitting in a jail right now.

You forget, we live in the great land of America, where the liberal media controls everything. If a man stands up for the unborn, he is dismissed as a sexist, and since he cannot actually bear children, an opponent to women everywhere. I don’t like it, but until the Supreme Court (which SHOULD be able to overturn abortion if they followed what their faith taught) can point out that abortion is murder, men can do nothing. Like I said, I don’t like it, but its the country we live in. This is women’s fight, they started it, and now they must turn it around. IMO it is the worse thing women have done since the “Fall”. Men have started countless wars, crazy Crusades (some were good, but others had no point). Men have always finished the problems they start, its time the women finish theirs.

 

[St_Francis]

You forget, we live in the great land of America, where the liberal media controls everything. If a man stands up for the unborn, he is dismissed as a sexist, and since he cannot actually bear children, an opponent to women everywhere. I don’t like it, but until the Supreme Court (which SHOULD be able to overturn abortion if they followed what their faith taught) can point out that abortion is murder, men can do nothing. Like I said, I don’t like it, but its the country we live in. This is women’s fight, they started it, and now they must turn it around. IMO it is the worse thing women have done since the “Fall”. Men have started countless wars, crazy Crusades (some were good, but others had no point). Men have always finished the problems they start, its time the women finish theirs.

Oh, men were involved–it gave them a better chance of seducing women. Hugh Hefner was a big proponent of all this.

 

[ethereality]

It looks like now the thread is too big for people to read, so they will only read the first post, think I’m looney and say the same things; your post surprised me with its new content and useful advice, StFrancis … But it seems few will make it to the second page, where I wrote the following:

Discussing many points from this thread with a deacon this morning, he made it clear that direct actions against abortion facilities would hinder the prolife movement, rather than help it, for the simple reason that society is not behind them: Abortion is a sin of society, and thus society must rectify the matter; any individualistic action, one lacking the support of a society, to correct a societal problem is either insignificant or harmful.

To visualize this, consider the Allied army coming in during Nazi Germany, destroying the concentration camps and freeing the prisoners, i.e. protecting them from murder. This [would be] analogous to destroying the abortion facilities (say, while empty at night) to protect the unborn from murder – but currently, there is no army, and there is no society supporting the army, i.e. there is no unified movement against the abortion facilities. The right action would be seen as wrong by confused people because the context establishing it to be right is missing.

Thus, before we can block entrances to abortion facilities, or confiscate their equipment, the majority of society must be aware that innocent people are being brought there to be murdered, and that these instruments of death are being used to murder them. Ultimately, then, the building would be evacuated, rather than destroyed, and redeemed by the Church as it could be converted into a women’s health clinic.

I am a man, but it seems, in today’s Western society, that it does a fat lot of no good whatsoever. Men have been emasculated, and logical discussions cannot be had, due to the intense mindlock the media has on most people. The media has the spotlight on women, leaving men on the sidelines, in the dark. Furthermore, with the disregard for the body and severe bent of fashion towards women, homosexuality and artificial insemination is encouraged and any function men are meant to serve are likewise relegated to women. So you will see a woman in a business suit or a dress – and where does that leave men? As redundant, or as scapegoats for violence and poverty.

In a literature class one day this semseter (around April), I began talking about the damage of contraception and the meaning of human sexuality, and for a few moments, I had the floor. Then, all it took was one girl to say sarcastically, “Just what I like: A man talking about abortion” and people laughed, agreeing with her and dismissing me because of my sex, and the discussion moved on to something else. I don’t know what impact I had, but it was disheartening. I had also by that point established myself as a Christian, so at least one person dismissed what I said because of my Christianity – as if it must only be my weird opinion.

It is very frustrating always being made to feel like a second-class person. There are times that I long for death: I am tired of living in this society. I even went to study abroad in Japan, attempting to escape this society – but this Western media mentality has taken over most of the world at this point. I have tried fighting against it, but it only leaves me alone and ignored.

 

[edwest2]

I suggest you find a good Catholic Radio Station and spend less time watching TV. God has a plan for you.

God bless,
Ed

 

[Darkbloom]

I lose faith as a Christian and suppose it’s all false when I listen to Catholic Answers shows on abortion. 45 million babies murdered in USA; almost at 2 billion worldwide – it seems God ignores each and every one of our prayers, if God is there at all, and that the “miraculous conversions” of abortionists are actually nothing more than coincidences as Richard Dawkins suggests (although I’ve not read any of his books yet, and have heard from critics that they’re not very good). One could almost argue that if we STOPPED praying, then maybe the abortions would stop: In 2005 an estimated 1.21 million abortions occurred in the USA, according to Guttmacher Institute guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html. You know millions were praying for an end to abortion, and you can guess how many Catholic churches in the world have Mass every day wherein we pray to Jesus, present on the altar, to grant us peace, etc. What exactly is the power of the Mass, which I think the Catechism asserts is the most powerful prayer we have? It seems to me to have no effect at all. I cannot even take comfort in the USA Today reporting that abortion is at its lowest in 30 years usatoday.com/news/health/2008-01-16-abortion-rates_N.htm, because, if it’s not from an increase in contraception or ambiguous abortifacients listed as contraception, then we don’t know the cause. It doesn’t seem reasonable to me to ever assume that a prayer has been answered: Every “answered prayer” people report that I’ve seen could also be described as coincidental; this outcome just resulted from laws of nature, and you just happened to pray about it beforehand.

I want to believe in a God who does more than sit back and let us be confused by coincidences.

…] If I had to make up a percentage of church activities, I would say it’s 70% women, making American Catholic Christianity feel like a woman’s religion.

I wanted to say, though, that I most commonly see women sit, read and pray at church, as exemplified in Eucharist Adoration. But unborn children are being murdered. It seems to me that, as a minimum, men should break in and steal the abortionist’s equipment!

Think of a war scenario – more unborn children have been murdered in the USA than the entire deathtoll of World War 2, so I think it’s a fair request. The women stay home to nurture the children and keep the home while the men go off to war. It is fitting, then, for women to pray for an end to abortion. But what do the men do? They don’t sit passively and pray – they go and they fight. Violent films are appealing to men, where the bad guy gets what he deserves. You remember the recent movie, Iron Man? Wildly successful, and not just in America! In it is a scene where terrorists are about to slaughter every man in the village, and here comes Iron Man to save the day, killing the belligerents – what they deserve (according to the film) – and gives the leader to the people to be punished as the people see fit – justice has been served.

A real man would at least break the abortionist’s hands so he couldn’t operate the abortion tweezers. The Church teaches that in matters of life and death, lethal force is legitimate if necessary to protect the innocent. Thus, it is not outrageous to kill abortionists who, having clear knowledge of their murder, continue to do it. It is in this context that I say that the Church today wants men to act like women and sit by passively and pray.

Well, you can go pray outside an abortion facility and count how many not-pregnant-anymore women come out of it. Or, you can get a man to burn that facility to the ground (at night when no one is inside it), and in the previous scenario’s same amount of time, count how many not-pregnant-anymore women come out of it – the number will be far smaller – namely, zero: No babies would be murdered there.

This morning, Fr. Benedict Groeschel and another priest were discussing the 20th century (Catholic) Christian persecution in Mexico, and how Americans sat and did nothing – and they commented how it was a terrible era in American history. Perhaps they prayed, but no action was taken against the Mexican government and military that martyred so many priests.

Today, precisely the same thing is happening regarding the persecution of the unborn – they are being actively killed, and we are sitting by “doing nothing”. I consider prayer of no earthly value, because I have never seen a single thing result from it except an hour spent alone within a church in Tennessee while about two babies were murdered.

We pray in the Our Father that God’s kingdom come on earth, as it is in heaven. Why don’t we do anything for God’s kingdom on earth? I heard from a Catholic Answers LIVE show that someone told Mother Teresa that blocking abortion clinics was made illegal, and that her immediate reply was that she would be sitting in a jail right now.

While I can’t say I agree with everything posted here, he does make a good point.

Let’s try a thought experiment. If it were not only known, but actually celebrated as a basic right, that mothers should be allowed to kill their children for, let’s say, the first week after birth. Furthermore, millions of such children had been killed in the past three decades. Would we really hold prayer meetings outside these women’s homes, or the medical facility where these abominable crimes are committed, or would we go in and stop them?

I know, or at least I hope, the answer would be the latter. So, if life begins at conception, then killing a child a week afterward is just as sinful. Which begs the question, why aren’t we stopping abortion?

 

[St_Francis]

Because of the just war theory, which also applies to civil insurrections.

We haven’t exhausted all avenues

We can’t be sure of success

We cannot be sure that we would not be loosing more disorder on our nation

We are supposed to be pro-**life, **right? As long as women are going in voluntarily, and even paying for the abortion, we cannot be sure that we could stop them by civil insurrections, violence, of whatever you want to call it.

We cannot be sure that others wouldn’t respond in kind, in the opposite direction.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I could go on forever and bore everyone, so Ill be concise and to the point. On the church being too feminized.Women even those with a career typically have more personal time than men. Men are usually the bread winners at home so they are usually too busy to be involved in church, and too tired once the work week is done. Thats why I favor the 40 hour work week, so people be involved in the important things like church. As far as abortion, we have been taught in western thought that the end does not justify the mean which means we have to be fussy about hout we stop abortion. Also remember if every Catholic voted anti abortion ,abortion would come to an end in the USA, but since we don’t actively teach that voting proabortion is a mortal sin Catholics are going to vote like anyother seculer American.

 

[edwest2]

While I can’t say I agree with everything posted here, he does make a good point.

Let’s try a thought experiment. If it were not only known, but actually celebrated as a basic right, that mothers should be allowed to kill their children for, let’s say, the first week after birth. Furthermore, millions of such children had been killed in the past three decades. Would we really hold prayer meetings outside these women’s homes, or the medical facility where these abominable crimes are committed, or would we go in and stop them?

I know, or at least I hope, the answer would be the latter. So, if life begins at conception, then killing a child a week afterward is just as sinful. Which begs the question, why aren’t we stopping abortion?

I don’t believe in thought experiments. So, why don’t a few posters here simply walk in to a police station and tell them the same thing?

No. Prayer and a good witness are better answers.

God bless,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

I could go on forever and bore everyone, so Ill be concise and to the point. On the church being too feminized.Women even those with a career typically have more personal time than men. Men are usually the bread winners at home so they are usually too busy to be involved in church, and too tired once the work week is done. Thats why I favor the 40 hour work week, so people be involved in the important things like church. As far as abortion, we have been taught in western thought that the end does not justify the mean which means we have to be fussy about hout we stop abortion. Also remember if every Catholic voted anti abortion ,abortion would come to an end in the USA, but since we don’t actively teach that voting proabortion is a mortal sin Catholics are going to vote like anyother seculer American.

What are you talking about? In the 1960s, most moms stayed at home. Most dads worked a 40 hour work week. We had plenty of time to go to Church and spend time together as a family.

Fussy about abortion? In 1972, I listened as women appeared on TV: “Please! Have compassion on these poor, young women dying in back alley abortions! Please! We’ll only use it in cases of rape or incest or if the mother’s life is in danger. Please!”

Then the Supreme Court. Not the people. The Supreme Court. Said OK.

Today, in order to get on the Supreme Court you must be pro-abortion. They can’t be voted off.

Being pro-abortion can be a mortal sin. But, it’s also important to stop behaving like the surrounding culture. No more hooking-up. No more obscenity on TV. Comedians who can’t stop saying *uck every five seconds or talking about graphic sex. Or TV programs where most everybody is having sex with everybody else and the oddball character is the one who has a baby, With Her Husband!

Wake up my fellow Catholics. Just because an Abortion Clinic exists does not mean it should be burned down. People, individual people, have got to say No to casual sex.

God bless,
Ed

 

[elts1956]

I could go on forever and bore everyone, so Ill be concise and to the point. On the church being too feminized.Women even those with a career typically have more personal time than men. Men are usually the bread winners at home so they are usually too busy to be involved in church, and too tired once the work week is done. Thats why I favor the 40 hour work week, so people be involved in the important things like church. As far as abortion, we have been taught in western thought that the end does not justify the mean which means we have to be fussy about hout we stop abortion. Also remember if every Catholic voted anti abortion ,abortion would come to an end in the USA, but since we don’t actively teach that voting proabortion is a mortal sin Catholics are going to vote like anyother seculer American.

“Women even those with a career typically have more personal time than men.”

Where did this idea come from? A woman who decides to have a full time career outside the home usually works at least 40 hours a week in that job. If she cannot afford outside help at home, (in my parenthood days, hubby worked his job, period) she is still in charge of the kids, shopping for clothing for the kids, meals, cooking, usually cleaning up after the meal, laundry, keeping the house somewhat clean and liveable, making sure everyone’s schedule is on track. Now tell me a career outside the home woman usually has more personal time than men. Just because women don’t get a pay check for caring for the family doesn’t mean it isn’t time consuming.