Why are we now the minority?

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Can someone explain to me why we catholic christians and other christians are now in the minority when it comes to laws that protect peoples rights to free speech, etc? Why does the “real” minority of unbelievers, which would include religions like hindu,etc. win out when there is a confrontation concerning Gods name in the pledge or praying at school events. I don’t understand why if there is 1 child who’s family doesn’t believe in God that childs “rights” can control the 99 others and make it so they can’t pray in school. What about us, our rights?
I’m really puzzled at this. Any thoughts?
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maggiec:
Can someone explain to me why we catholic christians and other christians are now in the minority when it comes to laws that protect peoples rights to free speech, etc? Why does the “real” minority of unbelievers, which would include religions like hindu,etc. win out when there is a confrontation concerning Gods name in the pledge or praying at school events. I don’t understand why if there is 1 child who’s family doesn’t believe in God that childs “rights” can control the 99 others and make it so they can’t pray in school. What about us, our rights?
I’m really puzzled at this. Any thoughts?
maggiec
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I was wondering that this morning when I heard about that parade in Denver not allowing anything that displayed Christmas to be part of their parade… I think of the way Catholics where treated by the Romans the first 300 hundred years or so after Jesus death… I think of how Catholics where treated for hundreds of years in England following the reign of Queen Mary… I think of the fact that Catholics where not allowed to build churchs or practice their faith in the US for how many years? Not to mention all that Catholics went through in Ireland… We will get through it, we are a tough faith… It is still frustrating though. I think if there are “progressive” type people trying to surpress us than we are doing something right!
 
You simply are of the age where you grew up in a brief window of your inclusion.

For the first 150 years of our nation’s history, we had organized prayer in public schools that was firmly Protestant. The Catholic Church repeatedly objected to this.

The experience of WWII with soliders from all backgrounds serving together gave new insights and understandings. Protestant prayers were dropped as a mandatory exercise in the public schools. For a brief period, some places made an attempt to have generally Christian prayers.

Nowdays we have a much better system. Rather than forcing a “one size fits all devotion” on students, schoolchildren have a legal right to organize clubs and groups of their own free choosing which can engage in prayer and discussion that is in line with their conscience and faith community. The problem has been getting more of these clubs organized. Catholics have not been very good at being leaders on this.
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maggiec:
Can someone explain to me why we catholic christians and other christians are now in the minority when it comes to laws that protect peoples rights to free speech, etc? Why does the “real” minority of unbelievers, which would include religions like hindu,etc. win out when there is a confrontation concerning Gods name in the pledge or praying at school events. I don’t understand why if there is 1 child who’s family doesn’t believe in God that childs “rights” can control the 99 others and make it so they can’t pray in school. What about us, our rights?
I’m really puzzled at this. Any thoughts?
maggiec
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Great, great question.

In short: Satan doesn’t really mind any other religions. He has a serious problem with Judiasm, and a SERIOUS problem with CHRIST, for obvious reasons.

The buck stops with Jesus Christ. Any way to undermine Him, smear Him, TWIST or water down His message, the father of lies is at the helm.
 
MaggiC,

The short answer to your question,“Why can a small minority control the Christian Majority in matters of free speech, prayer at football games and in Assemblies?”

In short it is called POLITICAL CORRECTNESS". This is the result of Liberal college professors caving in to Civil Rights Groups and then taking it farther into the area of Religion. Back when this hostility to religion began the Religious Communities didn’t fight back, they were being “GOOD” Christians …they thought. This emboldened the forces of Political Correctness to lash out with more visciousness. The bottom line is, I believe, Satan has influenced many Civil Rights Organizations and College Professors to be ANTI-God. That is Satan’s job. Satan wants to take as many as he can. Satan cannot help it now, he has just one job, that is to steal, murder and lie as he wanders the world setting snares and traps for the souls of men.

All of those Anti-God attacks have influenced the judges too. In the past three years we have seen Judges rule in favor of Homosexuals, in favor of removing the Ten Commandments fron State Buildings and Prohibiting any mention of God in a Government Building. This week a California teacher ( 6th grade) was fired for teaching the Declaration of Independance . It was om the Bill O’Rilley Show. How crazy can they be?
 
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maggiec:
Can someone explain to me why we catholic christians and other christians are now in the minority when it comes to laws that protect peoples rights to free speech, etc? Why does the “real” minority of unbelievers, which would include religions like hindu,etc. win out when there is a confrontation concerning Gods name in the pledge or praying at school events. I don’t understand why if there is 1 child who’s family doesn’t believe in God that childs “rights” can control the 99 others and make it so they can’t pray in school. What about us, our rights?
I’m really puzzled at this. Any thoughts?
maggiec
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Here’s how. The liberal democrats have packed the courts with like minded moral relativists and secularists. The MSM has pushed the same agenda for the last 40 years. Academia, including the law school faculties, reflect that agenda and promote it. Many people have been going about their business trying to survive and haven’t even noticed that the country has been taken away from them.
 
My roommate and I were discussing this the other day. One thought I came up with is that for 200 years we have been a fairly Chrsitian nation, but the whole time we’ve harped about religious tolerance and freedom of religion. Well, now persons of other religions want that enforced and not have a Christian based nation, but a multi-religion nation. Just my two cents.

With regards to Catholics being repressed the first 150 years of this countries history, could it be perhaps due to religious intolerance throughout Europe for hundreds of years were governments forced the people to worship as Catholics? Let’s face it, before the reformation, you were either considered Roman Catholic or you were pagan. Maybe early Americans wanted to prevent that from happening again. Then again, maybe not (kinda like cutting off the head to cure the headache).
 
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I was wondering that this morning when I heard about that parade in Denver not allowing anything that displayed Christmas to be part of their parade… I think of the way Catholics where treated by the Romans the first 300 hundred years or so after Jesus death… I think of how Catholics where treated for hundreds of years in England following the reign of Queen Mary… I think of the fact that Catholics where not allowed to build churchs or practice their faith in the US for how many years? Not to mention all that Catholics went through in Ireland…
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Rome fed Christians to the lions.

England beheaded them in England and starved them in Ireland.

Denver wouldn’t let them be in a parade.

I’m hearing that Sesame Street song again. “One of these things is not like the others…”

Oh, and where were Catholics not allowed to build churches or practice their faith in the US?
 
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wabrams:
Let’s face it, before the reformation, you were either considered Roman Catholic or you were pagan. Maybe early Americans wanted to prevent that from happening again. Then again, maybe not (kinda like cutting off the head to cure the headache).
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Yes, Catholics and all Christians are the “devil” they know, they think. Familiarity breeds contempt, yet few of the Christian-haters know what it is they hate. I have respect for someone who earnestly studies the faith but still walks away from it for one reason or another. But so many people don’t take the time, yet depend daily on all the Christian values they take for granted. When we’re gone it will be like the rug pulled out from under everyone. :hmmm:
 
Penny Plain:
Oh, and where were Catholics not allowed to build churches or practice their faith in the US?
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It’s not really a matter of not being allowed to build churches, but being discouraged. On the other hand, Charleston, SC at one point before and after the Revolution was considered the most religious tolerant city in the New World. The city is filled with churches of ALL denominations and even has the first synagague of the New World.
 
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maggiec:
Can someone explain to me why we catholic christians and other christians are now in the minority when it comes to laws that protect peoples rights to free speech, etc? Why does the “real” minority of unbelievers, which would include religions like hindu,etc. win out when there is a confrontation concerning Gods name in the pledge or praying at school events. I don’t understand why if there is 1 child who’s family doesn’t believe in God that childs “rights” can control the 99 others and make it so they can’t pray in school. What about us, our rights?
I’m really puzzled at this. Any thoughts?
maggiec
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Because we let it happen.

IMHO we can take it back, almost overnight, if we have a mind to.
 
Penny Plain:
Rome fed Christians to the lions.

England beheaded them in England and starved them in Ireland.

Denver wouldn’t let them be in a parade.

I’m hearing that Sesame Street song again. “One of these things is not like the others…”

Oh, and where were Catholics not allowed to build churches or practice their faith in the US?
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My point is that worst things have happend to Christans, and Catholics through out the centuries… We will get through it.

As for the last question, building churches and practicing their faith? Does it really matter… Do you know the history of the Washington Monument? There was a lot of anit-Catholicism.
 
This happens because only a small minority really care about things like prayer in school and Christmas displays on court house lawns. The rest of the folks don’t think it’s important.
 
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wabrams:
On the other hand, Charleston, SC at one point before and after the Revolution was considered the most religious tolerant city in the New World. The city is filled with churches of ALL denominations and even has the first synagague of the New World.
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Not to let facts get in the way of local pride, but the first synagogue errected in the American Colonies was the Touro Synagogue, in Newport, RI. Touro was dedicated on Decemeber 2, 1763. Charleston’s wasn’t built until 1791.
 
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Not to let facts get in the way of local pride, but the first synagogue errected in the American Colonies was the Touro Synagogue, in Newport, RI. Touro was dedicated on Decemeber 2, 1763. Charleston’s wasn’t built until 1791.
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Must have been first in the South. Sorry, but I have felt completly brain dead this week at work.
 
religions like hindu,etc. win out when there is a confrontation concerning Gods name in the pledge or praying at school events.
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Getting back to the original post, rather than the follow up rants –

The Supreme Court has said the Pledge can be recited, so which side won?

As for forced prayer at public school events, the Catholics won, after 150 years of asking for an end to such.
 
I remember when I was in grade school, we had a Christmas pagent in school. We had angels. We had wise men singing we three kings, Imagine, Christmas songs in a public school with catholic and protestant kids alike singing the same songs. If anyone didn’t want to participate they wern’t forced to. Now the kids that want to participate in such celebrations are forced NOT to by laws enacted to protect the VAST MINORITY. Stores start selling Christmas before halloween. No wonder our kids are becoming more secular.
We have come so far with technology and all the supposed better things in our lives that we seem to have misplaced the will to stand up for the truly important.
Maybe I’m just getting old but I look around and am so saddened by the disgusting tv shows, the garbage in the movies, the lack of respect that seems to have taken over.
Something’s got to change.
 
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