Why are we right?

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Exactly…if he was able to believe enough to not only convert but become a martyr, then his example should comfort those with doubts
crazzeto said:
Of these, Paul is the most compelling. Scripture tells us he was a Pharasies Pharasie, he was Zelouse for God and he was totally convinced that Christ was an Apostate and Blashemer.

So why did he convert, and how did it happen so quickly? He knew very well what converts got, he was on his way to capture and kill Christians when it happend. There’s no rational argument one can make, for St. Paul’s conversion.
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crazzeto said:
Of these, Paul is the most compelling. Scripture tells us he was a Pharasies Pharasie, he was Zelouse for God and he was totally convinced that Christ was an Apostate and Blashemer.

So why did he convert, and how did it happen so quickly? He knew very well what converts got, he was on his way to capture and kill Christians when it happend. There’s no rational argument one can make, for St. Paul’s conversion.
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I remember Father Corapi on one of his radio broadcasts saying there is no rational argument for becoming a priest or religious, but people do it. He said he had never had anyone spit in his face until he became a priest! Some of the things he sees within the present-day Church, such as the sex abuse scandal and other things makes him mad as h**l but he continues preaching the gospel. What rational explanation is there for THAT?
 
michaeldaniels said:
One thing…the martyrs…if Peter, Paul, Stephen and all of them were willing to die for the faith we have today, handed down from them, then it is worthy of our belief…the Saints/Martyrs wouldn’t have willingly died for a lie.
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Besides Stephen, how do we know that any of the apostles were martyrs?
 
grace_singh said:
according to traditon, all except John were martyred.

Peter was crucified upside down, and others were beheaded or run through with spears.

apostles.com/apostlesdied.html
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So in other words, we don’t really know. I don’t have a problem believing it; it’s just that it’s entirely unconvincing to the non-believer. Telling them that our faith is true because Jesus’ closest friends died for it, but then not providing any evidence that they DID die for it, won’t convince anyone.
 
Luke_K said:
So in other words, we don’t really know. I don’t have a problem believing it; it’s just that it’s entirely unconvincing to the non-believer. Telling them that our faith is true because Jesus’ closest friends died for it, but then not providing any evidence that they DID die for it, won’t convince anyone.
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i’m not saying that the faith of others is going to be a good reason for anyone to believe in Christ.

i’d say more compelling evidence would be how Christ fulfilled prophecy, who He claimed to be, what He did, and the historical records we have of His life, death, and influence.

saying “it’s true because the Apostles died for that Truth” won’t likely do much good with a skeptic, or even a Catholic. many men and women of the past have died for untrue teachings and teachers, so a willingness to die for what what believes is no indication of Truth.

on the other hand, a willingness to die rather than deny something one has lived through and seen (such as the resurrection of one’s Risen Lord, and later interactions with Him) are another thing. it may convince some, but having other resources and reasons is also helpful, imo.
 
Luke_K said:
So in other words, we don’t really know. I don’t have a problem believing it; it’s just that it’s entirely unconvincing to the non-believer. Telling them that our faith is true because Jesus’ closest friends died for it, but then not providing any evidence that they DID die for it, won’t convince anyone.
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In Acts, we see James being thrown off the Temple. There are numerous other evidences. Peter’s Body is buried at the Vatican. The witness of numerous authors to the death of Peter and Paul in Rome would be hard to deny.

It should be noted, although the skeptical would have trouble with it, but tradition tells us that St. John was boiled in oil and still lived to a ripe old age.
 
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