Why are we talking to Constantinople instead of Moscow?

[eelpis]

Yes the Orthodox have valid sacraments.

(Some prelates think we should not even evangelize the Jews.)

I think they and you are wrong. The Orthodox are not Catholics, they should be converted to the one true faith, because they need it.

 

[Aramis]

Yes the Orthodox have valid sacraments.

(Some prelates think we should not even evangelize the Jews.)

I think they and you are wrong. The Orthodox are not Catholics, they should be converted to the one true faith, because they need it.

So do you also think only the Roman Rite is valid?

 

[Genesis315]

It is the current policy of the Church to presume the separated Eastern Churches are in good faith, and therefore united to the Church in some way–in fact with the Orthodox it is a profound way (and I do think this is a proper approach especially given the willingness of both sides to sit down and actually try and work things out, to work together towards common goals, etc.). That being said, full visible unity is the goal–to ease eelpis’ fears, we wouldn’t be having these talks and seeking that full corporate unity if we thought the the Eastern Orthodox Church was ok as is.

The Eastern Catholic Churches of course already have all the elements and partake of that complete unity. Their particular Churches are just as valid and “complete” as any Latin particular Church, whereas the particular Eastern Orthodox Churches lack that full communion with the successor of Peter.

 

[JohnVIII]

I think the patriarch of Moscow should dedicate the land of Italy to Our Lady, and that this will result in the conversion of Italy to the True Faith.

 

[Formosus]

With the increase of Atheism in italy, it might not be a bad idea for someone to consecrete it to Our Lady again…

 

[eelpis]

So do you also think only the Roman Rite is valid?

No, of course not.

 

[eelpis]

It is the current policy of the Church to presume the separated Eastern Churches are in good faith, and therefore united to the Church in some way–in fact with the Orthodox it is a profound way (and I do think this is a proper approach especially given the willingness of both sides to sit down and actually try and work things out, to work together towards common goals, etc.). That being said, full visible unity is the goal–to ease eelpis’ fears, we wouldn’t be having these talks and seeking that full corporate unity if we thought the the Eastern Orthodox Church was ok as is.

The Eastern Catholic Churches of course already have all the elements and partake of that complete unity. Their particular Churches are just as valid and “complete” as any Latin particular Church, whereas the particular Eastern Orthodox Churches lack that full communion with the successor of Peter.

The Orthodox share most of our faith, and I hope and pray for their eventual reconciliation with the holy see of Peter.

 

[eelpis]

I think the patriarch of Moscow should dedicate the land of Italy to Our Lady, and that this will result in the conversion of Italy to the True Faith.

The patriarch of Moscow cannot do such a thing since he lacks jursidiction outside his patriarchate. It might be a good thing to do for someone with the proper faculties though.

 

[Nicholas82]

The patriarch of Moscow cannot do such a thing since he lacks jursidiction outside his patriarchate. It might be a good thing to do for someone with the proper faculties though.

He has as much right to do it as the Pope does to dedicate Russia to any organ.

 

[eva6206213]

i like Constantinople also like Moscow!

 

[eelpis]

He has as much right to do it as the Pope does to dedicate Russia to any organ.

He does not have universal jurisdiction, that’s my point and I think he should start with Russia, who is far from converted.

There’s no use blaspheming Our Lord or Our Lady, if that’s what the Orthodox faith teaches it’s adherants to do then I get second thoughts about this reconciliation thing being a good thing at all.

 

[Nicholas82]

He does not have universal jurisdiction, that’s my point and I think he should start with Russia, who is far from converted.

There’s no use blaspheming Our Lord or Our Lady, if that’s what the Orthodox faith teaches it’s adherants to do then I get second thoughts about this reconciliation thing being a good thing at all.

It certainly wasn’t meant as blasphemy, Lord forgive me!

 

[FiremanFrank]

Shlom lokh,

I’m sorry, but that’s incorrect. He is the Patriarch of Constantinople and in a certain sense, is the Pope’s equal. He is generally addressed as “His All-Holiness.” As he should be, since he is afterall carrying on Apostolic Succession.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew

Heh dude, this is a Catholic forum.

Understand then, that people here will never place ANYONE in equal authority to the Pope’s as it regards the singular authority placed on the head of the Church by Jesus Christ.
**
The End**.

 

[Catherine_Grant]

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[eelpis]

Hi Jharek, my regards to you and your lovely wife.

I have just one question, do you think my Russian Orthodox grandma has ever claimed a part in the popes magisterium?
She always ruled the family with a firm hand , but really that’s quite another thing.

 

[eelpis]

Hi Jahrek, my regards to you and your lovely wife.

I’ve got a friend, his grandma is Russian and Orthodox, he always says that she ruled the family with a firm hand, he never said though that she claimed a part in the popes magisterium.

 

[DL82]

How did you do that? I always thought there was an impossible barrier between Catholic/Orthodox marriages, because both Churches require the spouses to agree to raise the child in their Church. This seems a particularly silly barrier given that a Catholic can marry a fundamentalist Baptist, a Church-hating 7th Day Adventist, an atheist or a Hindu, but not our closest bretheren. How do you get around that?

 

[Aramis]

How did you do that? I always thought there was an impossible barrier between Catholic/Orthodox marriages, because both Churches require the spouses to agree to raise the child in their Church. This seems a particularly silly barrier given that a Catholic can marry a fundamentalist Baptist, a Church-hating 7th Day Adventist, an atheist or a Hindu, but not our closest bretheren. How do you get around that?

Catholics are permitted to raise their children of a mixed Catholic-Orthodox marriage in the Orthodox Church. It is discouraged, but permitted, since the faith is fundamentally the same, save for those matters of ecclesiology enshrined into dogma by the Catholics (Papal infallibility and supremacy).

 

[palakerala2008]

You must have a broad mind. Why don’t you check the history. the history of constantinople began only in the 3rd century. before that there were 3 centuries. in those centuries what happened? then see that in those centuries the patriarch of antioch was the superior and head of all the churches. at constantinople, the head patriarch only a bishop. Roman pope was only a bishop. Only in the 4th century, emperor declared that bishop of constantinople is a patriarch and he is the ecumenical patriarch. on what basis? only becuase of political reasons.

 

[Hesychios]

Catholics are permitted to raise their children of a mixed Catholic-Orthodox marriage in the Orthodox Church. It is discouraged, but permitted, since the faith is fundamentally the same, save for those matters of ecclesiology enshrined into dogma by the Catholics (Papal infallibility and supremacy).

In my Orthodox parish we have a Latin Catholic Deacons’ family. His wife and all three of his children are Orthodox. He attends liturgy with them once a month and they attend Mass with him once a month.

He became a deacon about three years ago, but his children are teenagers, they have been raised Orthodox since birth, long before he pursued the diaconate. Cardinal George is completely aware of the situation.