Why are you not orthodox

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Just following the boss. He said, " That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "%between%
 
pnewton said:
Just following the boss. He said, " That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "%between%
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Well it’s not like Orthodox reject the Holy Father. I won’t try and speak for others but for me it’s the part about ‘immediate personal jurisdiction’ that causes me to have pause.

But I love the Holy Father and defend him against Protestant decriers.
 
I am not an orthodox because:
-the Early Church was Catholic
-the Papacy is outlined in Sacred Scripture
-the Filioque was taught by early church fathers
-Orthodox do not use unleavened bread in the Eucharist
-there is no central union in the Orthodox Church and there are too many divisions

Pax vobis
 
I am not orthodox because they are not fed by the seat of Peter, there is a lack of credibility on the definition of marriage, the filioque controversy, the orthodox church appears to place a higher emphasis on diversity than universality (which is mostly to say that diversity is a feature of universality, but not vice versa)

I would however, be very interested in discussing the many similarities and differences, in a friendly and respectful conversation. It is more important that we are one, than that we win an argument.
 
The reason I am not Orthodox (OO and not EO) is rather complicated, and it’s something that I’m not about to discuss on an internet forum. Suffice it so say that those reasons are personal.
 
andrewstx said:
Well it’s not like Orthodox reject the Holy Father.
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…and Muslims do not totally reject Jesus. So what?

The question was asked on a Catholic forum. I answered. There is only one out of all the apostles to whom this promise was made. They were not all treated as having equal authority. Perhaps if truthful answers are going to offend orthodox, it should not be allowed. That would be a moderator decision.
 
Oh, but I am! 😉 Not that I don’t have my objections to the Eastern Orthodox (Byzantine Chalcedonian) faith in particular (many of which also apply to Rome), but this is hardly the place to be discussing them.
 
There better not be butter on that popcorn…it may be Sunday, but we’re still to abstain from meat and dairy… 😛
 
Not trying to derail the thread, but:

Where exactly in scripture does it prelude to a Pope besides Peter being the rock of Jesus’ new church? Are there any other verses from Jesus or his disciples recommending a Pope? I only ask because I have Mormons and Protestants on my back about this every time we discuss religion. 👍
 
dzheremi said:
There better not be butter on that popcorn…it may be Sunday, but we’re still to abstain from meat and dairy… 😛
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D’oh! I forgot. I’ll make more and be right back.
NextElement said:
Not trying to derail the thread, but:

Where exactly in scripture does it prelude to a Pope besides Peter being the rock of Jesus’ new church? Are there any other verses from Jesus or his disciples recommending a Pope? I only ask because I have Mormons and Protestants on my back about this every time we discuss religion. 👍
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Have you had the chance to check the tracts on the CA front page?
 
dzheremi said:
There better not be butter on that popcorn…it may be Sunday, but we’re still to abstain from meat and dairy… 😛
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Yes but the Copts always do it the hard way. 😛 I remember a friend of mine who worked at the airport having met Anba Dawoud who was on his way to Egypt. It was during a fast (I don’t remember which one) and the good bishop was woozy and nearly collapsed. My friend ran up to help, and the bishop said “thank you, but I’ll be fine. It’s a fasting time and I haven’t eaten anything for hours, so this is expected.” 😉
 
TheDoctor said:
I have no objections to our Orthodox brothers and sisters. We share all of the sacraments and most of the teachings. We were all one Church until the Orthodox left (or we left them, depending on which side of the fence you are on). 😉

For me, all discussions start and end with the Holy Father. The successor of Peter and Christ’s vicar ensure there is one Church, one consensus, one authority. Theoretically, could not the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church teach something at odds doctrinally with what the Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church teaches? In that case, who is right? Whom do you go to for authentic teaching? Who is your authority?

Christ pryaed that we all may be one. I see the Orthodox as holy, as apostolic, as catholic (universal) but not as one. I see the Catholic Church under the Pope as one, holy, catholic and apostolic.

Sorry if my answer is too simple, but for me there is not much else to discuss.
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This is my reason why I am not Orthodox. You summed up my reasoning very well.
 
I used to be Protestant and then became Catholic, but I considered becoming Orthodox. The reason I did not was that, although Orthodox rightly adheres to and believes what the “Church” says and has taught throughout history, Orthodox ecclesiology ultimately has no principled way of identifying when the Church speaks. From what I gathered, for example, they would say that a council is ecumenical and binding when the whole Church accepts it. But to my mind, there is no proper way to distinguish between a rejection of a council that puts you outside of the Church and a rejection of the council which then proves that the council is no longer ecumenical and therefore binding since you, as a member of the Church, rejected it. The Catholic solution is to point to Peter - a touchstone of orthodoxy, divinely guaranteed by Christ. It means that when there is a dispute between two factions in the Church, the Church is not thereby divided but instead can resolve this dispute in the living voice of Peter’s successor.
 
malphono said:
Yes but the Copts always do it the hard way. 😛 I remember a friend of mine who worked at the airport having met Anba Dawoud who was on his way to Egypt. It was during a fast (I don’t remember which one) and the good bishop was woozy and nearly collapsed. My friend ran up to help, and the bishop said “thank you, but I’ll be fine. It’s a fasting time and I haven’t eaten anything for hours, so this is expected.” 😉
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Hahaha. Yes, HG is right about that. I laugh not at his wooziness of course (believe me, I’m feeling it too and we’re only how many days into the Great Fast? Yikes), but because his attitude is very Coptic. Our priest has told me, in reference to the complications of fasting with my chronic medical problems, “Never get sick, but know to go without. It will make you stronger.” And he’s right. It’s a strange mix of harshness and pragmatism, this Coptic fasting stuff, but it has strengthened our faith and church for centuries upon centuries, so there must be something to it.

Funnily enough, at the Agape meal yesterday we had a (fast-friendly) chocolate cake because it was two parishioners’ birthdays, and everyone treated it like manna from heaven. It was hilarious to see all these good and pious people eye this cake while eating their ful mudammes. Let no one say that the Fast is not also a time of rejoicing. 😃
 
dzheremi said:
Hahaha. Yes, HG is right about that. I laugh not at his wooziness of course (believe me, I’m feeling it too and we’re only how many days into the Great Fast? Yikes), but because his attitude is very Coptic. Our priest has told me, in reference to the complications of fasting with my chronic medical problems, “Never get sick, but know to go without. It will make you stronger.” And he’s right. It’s a strange mix of harshness and pragmatism, this Coptic fasting stuff, but it has strengthened our faith and church for centuries upon centuries, so there must be something to it.
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If I may ask, how do you keep the fast–where necessary, in modified form–with respect to your health difficulties? This question is of personal interest to me. (If you don’t mind discussing it, let’s continue by private message.)
Funnily enough, at the Agape meal yesterday we had a (fast-friendly) chocolate cake because it was two parishioners’ birthdays, and everyone treated it like manna from heaven. It was hilarious to see all these good and pious people eye this cake while eating their ful mudammes. Let no one say that the Fast is not also a time of rejoicing. 😃
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Hahahaha.
 
I am not Orthodox because I would feel guilt about leaving the Catholic Church and betraying my reasoned conviction.

I read Jimmy Akin’s blog post “Why I am not Eastern Orthodox” every so often to remind me.

Because those who are born into Orthodoxy aren’t schematics, but making a choice on my part would make me one and I am afraid of the stigma.

But I do think about it, probably more than I should.
 
I am a revert to the Catholic faith, but really had a hard time discerning between EO and Rome.

I felt that the Eastern Catholic rite would suit my walk with Christ best for a while, but found them to be too ethnic based!

Don’t get me wrong, I liked the food after service, but it seemed like it was a bit of an ethnic Church.

However, I would make the decision to live my life within the tradition I was raised, Catholic, Latin rite! I do so, because of a few things, one being church structure, councils, papal jurisdictional primacy, and that the EO re-baptize if you are from another faith tradition!

I guess this link is a good summary on why devinrose.heroicvirtuecreations.com/blog/2012/11/26/an-eastern-orthodox-christian-looks-west/comment-page-1/

I did regularly attend an Eastern Catholic rite, and I have attended an Russian Orthodox Divine Liturgy, I brought a fundamentalist friend to show him what “Church” looked like when St. John Chrysostom was alive, just to shock him out of his church setting, which looked more like a Christian rock concert, with electric guitars, fog, a light show, coffee, a hipster preacher, rather than an Apostolic Liturgy, where Heaven and Earth meet 👍

Christ is Risen!
 
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