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Homosexuality is natural
It depends what you mean by “natural”.

If you mean that “there is a natural predisposition in some people to commit homosexual acts” or that “animals commit homosexual acts” that doesn’t say much, as some people are predisposed to be violent or vengeful and animals rape other animals but we don’t want to follow their example.

However, human physiology clearly shows that our genitalia are not meant for same-sex intercourse, so I don’t see how it can be teleologically natural.
 
My question is: how come that all that universe suddenly disappeared?
a) To some extent it might just be that you saw it then because you happened to get involved with a promiscuous set of gays and don’t now because you are no longer involved with such people. Just as there are equally promiscuous heterosexual ‘swingers’ such as that Mick Philpott chap currently in the news, who is both heterosexual and (apparently) Catholic.

b) That being said I do get the impression that the ‘gay culture’ is becoming more mature and sensible as time goes on. The kind of thing you witnessed then may have been (in part) due to overreaction to the first few years of gay liberation, like teenagers binge drinking once they are of age to legally buy alcohol.

The more that gay couples can enjoy a steady settled life without fear of persecution, the more likely that such stable settled couples will become norm for gays. Gay marriage could therefore do a lot to reduce the sexual excesses of some gay subcultures.
 
The planet will fall? What do you mean?

Homosexuality does not stop the population of humans from continuing to grow
April,

I believe that it is distasteful to suggest that the homosexuals that die from their behavior related to those things that contribute to the unhealthy life they lead as they die and the population diminishes as a result of their death is to be discounted as not being part of the population of humanity.
 
a) To some extent it might just be that you saw it then because you happened to get involved with a promiscuous set of gays and don’t now because you are no longer involved with such people. Just as there are equally promiscuous heterosexual ‘swingers’ such as that Mick Philpott chap currently in the news, who is both heterosexual and (apparently) Catholic.

b) That being said I do get the impression that the ‘gay culture’ is becoming more mature and sensible as time goes on. The kind of thing you witnessed then may have been (in part) due to overreaction to the first few years of gay liberation, like teenagers binge drinking once they are of age to legally buy alcohol.

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The more that gay couples can enjoy a steady settled life without fear of persecution, the more likely that such stable settled couples will become norm for gays. Gay marriage could therefore do a lot to reduce the sexual excesses of some gay subcultures
How is it you can predict that this is a solution to a Problem?

What is it you believe that the fear of persecution is?

How is it you know that there is fear of persecution as a cause of stability? Do you know all gays? Have you knowledge of what all gays experience?

You offer a solution to a problem ie gay marriage with a tentative problem that lacks foundation and is pure speculation. How is it your experience in Chemistry allows you to do this in a Social Setting? Do you have the experience in Sociology that allows this speculation?
 
The planet will fall? What do you mean?

Homosexuality does not stop the population of humans from continuing to grow
Homosexualism and its promotion and acceptance are but one prong in a grand agenda to destroy civilization that will ultimately fail. It is collectively called Population Control, and it includes but is not limited to Contraception, Abortion, Homosexuality, Anthropogenic Global Warming. I have recently come to consider whether opposition to Immigration is another factor in the Population Control Agenda. At any rate, all these things together are working in synergy to do a splendid job in destroying Western civilization as we know it. Naturally, it will not succeed in the end: life always finds a way, to quote Jurassic Park. Faithful Catholics and others who do not believe the lies will continue to reproduce and eventually supplant the cultures which hold these worthless views. They always have and they always will.
 
Homosexualism and its promotion and acceptance are but one prong in a grand agenda to destroy civilization that will ultimately fail. It is collectively called Population Control, and it includes but is not limited to Contraception, Abortion, Homosexuality, Anthropogenic Global Warming. I have recently come to consider whether opposition to Immigration is another factor in the Population Control Agenda. At any rate, all these things together are working in synergy to do a splendid job in destroying Western civilization as we know it. Naturally, it will not succeed in the end: life always finds a way, to quote Jurassic Park. Faithful Catholics and others who do not believe the lies will continue to reproduce and eventually supplant the cultures which hold these worthless views. They always have and they always will.
Do you genuine believe this or is your tongue firmly in your cheek to stimulate the discussion.
 
First, what about freedom for the LGB people to marry? Second, Our republic is not based on the bible. The governmet didint have anything to do with marriage until someone wanted to keep blacks and whites from intermarrying, thus the first ever marriage liscense issued in 1870.
Nonsense. Governments have always recognized the institution of marriage. It hasn’t always been involved in the granting of marriages, but it has always recognized marriage.
 
A few years ago (2006?) I knew almost nothing about this topic. I happened to find some communities on Livejournal where most people were gays, lesbians and transgendered. Nothing secret or members-only. One thing was striking: the vast majority of their posts was about casual sex and sexual fantasies. Some posted “funny” porn - gay men having sex at various Gay Pride parades. Some told gay bar stories - how they got drunk, how they had sex at the toilet, how angry they were when various “f**ng breeders” dared to invade their space. There were serious talks about gay marriage, too, but I don’t remember reading anything about children and adoption. People were only trying to convince others that to be gay doesn’t equal sodomy and that gay marriage means that gay partners will enjoy the same rights granted to heterosexual couples (inheritance, insurance etc).
My question is: how come that all that universe suddenly disappeared? Instead of those people obsessed with casual sex, now we see only respectable, responsible, serious citizens talking about how much they love children and parenting. Gone are the kinky pics, the tantrums against “breeders”, the jokes about multiple partners and toilets. Now to be gay means Conjugal Fidelity & Best Parenting & Responsibility Towards Society. Can anyone explain me this change?
You nailed it. Nothing HAS changed, nor will it ever.
 
Why are you against equal marriage? I was asked this question and wanted to see what you guys would have answered.
Marriage is only marriage when it is between a man and a woman. No government legislation will ever make it otherwise.

There was once an attempt to make the number pi (= 3.14159…) equal to 3 by law. Passing such a bill would not have made pi equal to 3. It the same with same sex so called marriages.

So tell the person who asked you the question that all marriages are equal when they are actual marriages.
 
If ‘same-sex marriage’ is legalised in Australia, schools will be mandated to teach it. Junior secondary science books now have a chapter on human reproduction, using cross-sectional anatomical diagrams including heterosexual intercourse. In the name of ‘equality’ and the avoidance of discrimination, school text books should therefore include cross-sectional anatomical diagrams of the two versions of homosexual ‘intercourse’. Of course these diagrams cannot be included in a science book; they are not about science. They cannot be included in a chapter on human reproduction for the most obvious reason.

Sometimes it is necessary to state the absurd so that others can see reality.
 
Why are you against equal marriage? I was asked this question and wanted to see what you guys would have answered.
Great question.

Same sex people would do themselves a favor and stop referring to this issue as a marriage. What they want is a government recognized financial program.

There is nothing stopping same sex people from standing before God and family and pledging their love for one another. They don’t need the government to approve that.

The truth is that this is a financial issue, and that I do have an issue with. I object strongly to the idea that two same sex people would be able to ‘check’ the married/joint box on their Federal tax return. I also object to the idea that a same sex person would obtain the social security benefits of their partner.

The idea behind M/J and SS is that it was invented in an era when the woman stayed at home and raised the children while the man went to work. This supported the position that, ‘and then they were one.’

When it comes to tax breaks, being a single person, I object to a same sex person getting a tax break that I’m not entitled to.

Then you have the question of inheritance taxes. Again, as a single person, I object to inheritances taxes as well. Lets say I had rich parents (which I don’t). Why does the government have the right to take an outrageous percentage of the money they earned and wanted me, a person of their own flesh and blood, to have. They worked hard so that I would have a better life, not the government. So again, I object to a same sex person getting a tax break that I’m not entitled to.
 
My question is: how come that all that universe suddenly disappeared? Instead of those people obsessed with casual sex, now we see only respectable, responsible, serious citizens talking about how much they love children and parenting. Gone are the kinky pics, the tantrums against “breeders”, the jokes about multiple partners and toilets. Now to be gay means Conjugal Fidelity & Best Parenting & Responsibility Towards Society. Can anyone explain me this change?
It hasn’t disappeared. It is just no longer open and available. The Hollywood and media portrayals when I grew up were of flamboyant gays, respected fathers, virtuous mothers, etc. now the gay is educated, usually well off and worthy of moral or other admiration, the father is a doofus and the mother is some schemer with a questionable past but has grown and moved on. It’s almost as if the impression we have for Pepsi as youthful and invigorating, who cares about the fact it’s brown sugar water, is being marketed to us. A if its a deception, but all impressions are. So lets apply that to social causes. The honored father figure ( and our Father in Heaven) is not worthy of respect and admiration. The mother isn’t a virtuous, protective and patient woman with respect for motherhood, it is whatever we’re marketing now. This means any person, at any age of any color or gender can be defined for us by enough consistent impressions in a collaborative effort through government, Hollywood and media (.once known as news).
 
Why are you against equal marriage? I was asked this question and wanted to see what you guys would have answered.
I have read a lot of secular views, but let’s look at what Scripture says. I used the NIV, but use what ever version you like…

Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20:13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Deuteronomy 23:18 You must not bring the earnings of a female prostitute or of a male prostitute[a] into the house of the LORD your God to pay any vow, because the LORD your God detests them both.

Romans 1:26-32 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Jude 1:7-10 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[a] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

I believe Scripture is very clear about this.

CG
 
Why are you against equal marriage? I was asked this question and wanted to see what you guys would have answered.
As long as there has been human society, there has been marriage, up to the present day, naturally. The common thread throughout history, regardless of religion or culture or attitudes towards homosexual acts, is that marriage has been between members of opposite sexes. When the Universal Declaration of Human Rights mentioned a right to marry, they operated on that same assumption, and was endorsed by peoples of a variety of cultures, traditions and political systems. Gay marriage on the other hand has its origins barely older than I am. It would be absurd to claim gay marriage as somehow a fundamental right when no-one bothered to even think up such a thing except in recent memory. People who claim same-sex marriage to be on par with interracial marriage furthermore are ignorant of their history beyond the Anglosphere, as the roots of the prohibition against interracial marriage is only as old as the 19th century at best in the United States, for example. We know these grounds are spurious as we can easily point to societies traditionally where interracial marriage was permitted. We cannot do the same for same sex marriage.
 
Why are you against equal marriage? I was asked this question and wanted to see what you guys would have answered.
I would turn the tables with something like this:

“I’m in favor of keeping marriage equal for everyone, by continuing to recognize it as the union of a man and a woman to each other, and to the children that their union may produce. Why do you want to change the definition of marriage, so that it applies to the above AND to unions that by their nature cannot create children?”

Peace,
Robert
 
Homosexualism and its promotion and acceptance are but one prong in a grand agenda to destroy civilization that will ultimately fail. It is collectively called Population Control, and it includes but is not limited to Contraception, Abortion, Homosexuality, Anthropogenic Global Warming. I have recently come to consider whether opposition to Immigration is another factor in the Population Control Agenda. At any rate, all these things together are working in synergy to do a splendid job in destroying Western civilization as we know it. Naturally, it will not succeed in the end: life always finds a way, to quote Jurassic Park. Faithful Catholics and others who do not believe the lies will continue to reproduce and eventually supplant the cultures which hold these worthless views. They always have and they always will.
Not sure if you mean that anthropogenic global warming will greatly harm people and grossly reduce the human population, but if you do, then you are so very right. And the funny/sad thing is, people can actually save money or not lose money by mitigating it.

However, I do not have your faith that people will come to their senses and start mitigating it. In fact, it seems Revelations is on the brink of being fulfilled…and it is our sinfulness that is causing the end of life on earth (or at least gross harms to humans and others of God’s creatures).

But we can pray…and do our part by reducing our greenhouse gas emissions.

I may not be for SSM, but I am for everyone whatever their persuasion to join in and solve this problem – the lives you save just might be those of your progeny! As JPII said back in 1990 global warming is everyone’s responsibility. That means everyone.
 
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