Why aren't there on demand priestly miracles?

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come on peoples how does that go “be ye prudent as snakes yet gentle as doves”…one thing i am slowly learning on this forum is letting go of my bitterness towards christians outside of the church… they almost,well actually they did have me in their grasp.and when the truth dawned on me i was a bit more than teed off towards them.i know OTP hasn’t been exactly gracious in his/her post neither have i and i might say niether has any one else on this page.
 
come on peoples how does that go “be ye prudent as snakes yet gentle as doves”…one thing i am slowly learning on this forum is letting go of my bitterness towards christians outside of the church… they almost,well actually they did have me in their grasp.and when the truth dawned on me i was a bit more than teed off towards them.i know OTP hasn’t been exactly gracious in his/her post neither have i and i might say niether has any one else on this page.
Certainly you are correct, but it would help if they spoke a bit of truth about themselves, to begin with.
 
Certainly you are correct, but it would help if they spoke a bit of truth about themselves, to begin with.
at one time i had simular ideas as OTP but still called myself a catholic,shamefully at that. i now realize the sense of shame i felt when i would say i am catholic was because i really wasn’t.i thought the sense of shame came from being a catholic i was lower class christian.
 
at one time i had simular ideas as OTP but still called myself a catholic,shamefully at that. i now realize the sense of shame i felt when i would say i am catholic was because i really wasn’t.i thought the sense of shame came from being a catholic i was lower class christian.
If the OP really has been Catholic for 30+ years, it shows just how bad catechesis has been for the last 30 years.
 
If the OP really has been Catholic for 30+ years, it shows just how bad catechesis has been for the last 30 years.
not nescesarily so…i know what i did to bring myself to the point of regarding the catholic church as i once did.all one needs to do is allow some error into thier faith and it is no longer that.
 
Hi, Gail!

…if I read it correctly, I think you’ve missed the point… the Church was left 30+ years ago… it is only the “…riddle me this batman…” portion that has remained–once this facet is fully discarded atheism would be more openly professed.

Maran atha!

Angel
Believe what you want, there is no means for which I could care less in regards to your arrogance and disdain for my faith journey and departure from what you call, ’ the one true Church.’
 
Certainly you are correct, but it would help if they spoke a bit of truth about themselves, to begin with.
My truth.

The Church has filled me with nothing except fear, anxiety and a feeling of never being able to live up or meet the required standards.

The more I learned, the worse I felt, the harder I tried, the worse I failed.

I have not forced my unbelief upon my will, rather I have simplified what I want in this life.

Letting go of what I thought were my beliefs…has been my freedom.

I had wished that I could have the same feelings of a lot people, that I could sit in a Catholic Church and remain blissfully happy in my unbelief and contradictory life, juxtaposed with the Church.

That is not fair to me or the RCC.

I would hope that if we were all in a Catholic Church, and I walked out the doors…I would hope that those of you cheering at my departure within this forum…would not cheer my departure inside or outside the Church doors.

If you would cheer my departure from a Church…

Remember, I am not alone in feeling this way:

usao.edu/~facshaferi/canada/english2.htm

Here follows the text of the message presented to the Executive Committee of the Canadian Catholic Conference of Bishops by Catholics of Vision: Canada, on August 28, 1997, following the completion of the signature campaign.

**
WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED**
A picture of the Catholic Church in Canada emerges from the letters, phone calls, interviews, talk shows, press articles and reports from area leaders. We have summarized below what we have heard and learned:
Code:
* a) for many, their experience of Church is one of **pain and rejection.** Those who voiced feelings of pain and rejection include: gays, lesbians and their families, the divorced and remarried; single parent families; nuclear families, the economically deprived; those living in closed and/or priest-less parishes; individuals opposed to aspects of current Church discipline; and many women;
* b) support for a married and/or female clergy is strong. Regular access to eucharistic celebration is more important that a restrictive law;
* c) many see minimal dialogue between Bishops and informed laity. There is a general attitude that the Canadian Bishops have failed to resist the growing centralization of power in Rome, and the fundamentalist Catholic groups which support such centralization;
* d) **there is much fear among Catholics**, especially among those employed by or doing business with Catholic organizations;
* e) apathy and/or **hopelessness characterize many Catholics' understanding of Church;**
* f) there is an urgent need for sound adult education programs and preaching in our parishes:
 
at one time i had simular ideas as OTP but still called myself a catholic,shamefully at that. i now realize the sense of shame i felt when i would say i am catholic was because i really wasn’t.i thought the sense of shame came from being a catholic i was lower class christian.
Where I live in Ontario, by far, the dominant Christian group are the Catholics…

Where you live in the West, the dominant Christian group are Protestants.

There has never been a feeling of inferiority, if anything, a feeling of superiority…after all, we are told that we were told that we are the one true Church.
 
My truth.

The Church has filled me with nothing except fear, anxiety and a feeling of never being able to live up or meet the required standards.

The more I learned, the worse I felt, the harder I tried, the worse I failed.

I have not forced my unbelief upon my will, rather I have simplified what I want in this life.

Letting go of what I thought were my beliefs…has been my freedom.

I had wished that I could have the same feelings of a lot people, that I could sit in a Catholic Church and remain blissfully happy in my unbelief and contradictory life, juxtaposed with the Church.

That is not fair to me or the RCC.

I would hope that if we were all in a Catholic Church, and I walked out the doors…I would hope that those of you cheering at my departure within this forum…would not cheer my departure inside or outside the Church doors.

If you would cheer my departure from a Church…

Remember, I am not alone in feeling this way:

(Snip)
OTP,
First - let me apologize for any remarks I may have made that were hurtful to you. I will offer no excuses, but only ask your forgivenss.

Second - You are right. There are many who have had the experience of fear and hopelessnes that you speak of, myself included. There is/was a person here who was going through a similar exprience and her posts were quite interesting. Here screen-name is UglyGal.

Third - It has been my experience that those who go through this kind of experience are really being called to a greater holiness. I don’t know if that means you have to leave the Church, but certainly you must follow where the spirit leads. Just make sure that it is the Holy Spirit of Christ.

Fourth - As you simplify your faith and sharpen the focus of your journey, I hope you are able to keep in mind the deep history and truth that has come to you through the Church. Perhaps there is too great a focus put on “rules” in many places, but much of that is simply because those who are less spiritually driven internally need the external discipline to help them remain focused. It works for many, but for others, like yourself, it can become poiontless and even counterproductive.

Fifth - Remember that the Church has produced many Saints as well as many sinners. I hope that you can say that you have met both kinds here at the Boards.

Keep in Christ My friend, and thank you for reminding me of the importance of keeping Love in all that We do.

Peace
James
 
My truth.

The Church has filled me with nothing except fear, anxiety and a feeling of never being able to live up or meet the required standards.
The more I learned, the worse I felt, the harder I tried, the worse I failed.
I have not forced my unbelief upon my will, rather I have simplified what I want in this life.
Letting go of what I thought were my beliefs…has been my freedom.
I had wished that I could have the same feelings of a lot people, that I could sit in a Catholic Church and remain blissfully happy in my unbelief and contradictory life, juxtaposed with the Church.
That is not fair to me or the RCC.
I would hope that if we were all in a Catholic Church, and I walked out the doors…I would hope that those of you cheering at my departure within this forum…would not cheer my departure inside or outside the Church doors.
If you would cheer my departure from a Church…
Remember, I am not alone in feeling this way:

**It’s all about YOU, isn’t it?

…has filled me**
the more *I *learned
*I *felt
I failed
I have not forced my will
I have simplified
what *I want in this life
what
I *thought
I wished
I could have the same feelings
I could sit
My unbelief
not fair to me
*I *would hope
I walked out the doors
*I *would hope
my departure
I am not alone in feeling this way

WOW! Is there any room inside of you…for anybody else??
If you read all the references to you going down the list, it’s obvious where the problem lies. We’ll pray for you.
 
My truth.

The Church has filled me with nothing except fear, anxiety and a feeling of never being able to live up or meet the required standards…
Remember, I am not alone in feeling this way:

usao.edu/~facshaferi/canada/english2.htm

Here follows the text of the message presented to the Executive Committee of the Canadian Catholic Conference of Bishops by Catholics of Vision: Canada, on August 28, 1997, following the completion of the signature campaign.

WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED
  • a) for many, their experience of Church is one of pain and rejection. Those who voiced feelings of pain and rejection include: gays, lesbians and their families, the divorced and remarried; single parent families; nuclear families, the economically deprived; those living in closed and/or priest-less parishes; individuals opposed to aspects of current Church discipline; and many women;
I question the statement completely.
The majority of Catholics that I know live in nuclear families.
The majority of those around me that are ‘economically deprived’ benefit greatly from Catholic charities of one type or another.

In fact, the only groups I can see here that are not directly contrary to what I have seen demonstrated is the “pain and rejection” felt by those that live in sin and wish to continue to do so.
 
In fact, the only groups I can see here that are not directly contrary to what I have seen demonstrated is the “pain and rejection” felt by those that live in sin and wish to continue to do so.
Believe what you want, it is of no consequence to me.
 
Believe what you want, it is of no consequence to me.
given the sum total of the posts from you on this thread, that particular quote seems the most fitting.

It would appear that you have already made up your mind and do not want to view anything else.
 
given the sum total of the posts from you on this thread, that particular quote seems the most fitting.

It would appear that you have already made up your mind and do not want to view anything else.
The detailed explanations I have received, although well written, are not compelling in the least.

The RCC grants their priests the invisible acts of the apostles via apostolic succession.

How convenient that the visible acts of the apostles, other than spreading the gospel, are not passed down through apostolic succession.
 
The detailed explanations I have received, although well written, are not compelling in the least.

The RCC grants their priests the invisible acts of the apostles via apostolic succession.

How convenient that the visible acts of the apostles, other than spreading the gospel, are not passed down through apostolic succession.
I think your difficulty here is that you’re taking a commission that was completed before Jesus’ death and the commission the Apostle’s recieved after His resurrection as being simultaneously active.

When Jesus gave the commission to go perform miracles and such at that time He also told the Apostles not to go to the gentiles. Since you believe this commission is still in affect then you have two problems one The Church has already broken His command by going to the non-Jewish people of the earth and the command of this commission stands in direct opposition to the instructions of The Great Commission which The Church currently serves under.

The commission you’re speaking of was for a particular purpose the the disciples had accomplished it and returned before Christ had entered His last days. The miracles were important then because they drew attention to the message (the important part) and they also served as an on the surface validation of His and His aposlte’s authority to teach the things they taught.

After His resurrection he gave the Apostle’s The Great Commission: “Go ye therefore into all nations teaching and baptizing them in The Name of The Father, and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit.” This is the commission our bishops have inherited from the Apostles. Miracles may be a part of it at times but there is no guarantee or obligation to them.
 
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