Why Can't Anyone Have A Different Opinion About The Holocaust?

[Soutane]

I was of course joking. I can’t imagine a situation where I would be using the phrase “Roman controled media” in a discussion about Jesus and not be joking. I apologize to anyone if I inadvertently offended anyone. (well, almost anyone).

It was funny and oh so clever.

 

[Soutane]

Like “Give us Barrabas!!” ??

Don’t muddy the water.

 

[ProVobis]

Then many Catholics are Jewish?

 

[ProVobis]

???

Never mind, I deleted the post. I responded to the wrong person.

 

[BSHoop96]

While I tend to agree that people who minimize the holocaust have an anti-semetic axe to grind, I do find it curious that Jews did not suffer the greatest number of deaths in WWII, and yet, as the original poster pointed out, the Jews are the only group that we usually hear about. **Over 70 million people died during WWII. ** The number of non-Jewish Poles was almost as much as the Jewish number. The number of civilian deaths from several other countries were as much as, or more than, the Jewish number of deaths.

I’d conclude that, while anti-semites deny the holocaust completely are out of their mind, the emphasis on the other side of the spectrum (as if Jews were the only victims) seems a little strange as well.

I believe most people know that plenty of Catholics, Gypsys, and people the Nazis considered “defective” were killed. And of course millions (made up of many nationalities) were killed in the fight.

I think that the Jews tend to stand out because they weren’t killed because they were fighting the Germans, or because of civilian casualty…they were killed specifically and only because they were Jews. The Nazis had a plan to “exterminate” them. Totally different than, for example, the Russians who lost millions fighting the war. Anyone who doubts can read the Nazis’ own records.

 

[catharina]

While I tend to agree that people who minimize the holocaust have an anti-semetic axe to grind, I do find it curious that Jews did not suffer the greatest number of deaths in WWII, and yet, as the original poster pointed out, the Jews are the only group that we usually hear about. **Over 70 million people died during WWII. **The number of non-Jewish Poles was almost as much as the Jewish number. The number of civilian deaths from several other countries were as much as, or more than, the Jewish number of deaths.

I’d conclude that, while anti-semites deny the holocaust completely are out of their mind, the emphasis on the other side of the spectrum (as if Jews were the only victims) seems a little strange as well.

With no disrespect intended, there were not many Jews alive pre-Holocaust.

The horror of their death is that 1) they were targeted as a people of FAITH; and 2) the Holocaust decimated their numbers with a certain goal of total world-wide distinction.

 

[BSHoop96]

They were not targeted because they were Catholics. The others who were killed were mostly gays and disabled peoples. Yes, there were also nuns and priests in that group, but not like the Jews and then the gays and disabled.

I just have to point out here that Catholics were targeted, in particular, the Clergy.

 

[catharina]

I just have to point out here that Catholics were targeted, in particular, the Clergy.

Of course! May they rest in peace. Still, it was those of Jewish heritage who suffered the most in “lives lost” as a targeted religious group. The numbers I’ve heard re ‘death by Nazi Machine’ on Polish land were close to 3 million Jews, 3 million Catholics.

Six million total in Poland alone, hand-in-hand.

 

[BSHoop96]

D’accord, c’est ca.

GKC

Okay, you two…you’ve got to stop. I’m snoopy and want to know what you’re saying.

 

[BSHoop96]

You see? If someone doesn’t agree with this, they are already an anti-semite. This bishop is not an anti-semite.

When people show themselves to you…believe them.

 

[GKC]

Okay, you two…you’ve got to stop. I’m snoopy and want to know what you’re saying.

OK.

GKC

 

[BSHoop96]

Because you said they are not responsible for ANY human beings deaths when in fact, they are. Right in Gaza today.

Well it took a while in this thread but I think you finally showed your hand and it is as I suspected.

 

[BSHoop96]

Of course! May they rest in peace. Still, it was those of Jewish heritage who suffered the most in “lives lost” as a targeted religious group. The numbers I’ve heard re ‘death by Nazi Machine’ on Polish land were close to 3 million Jews, 3 million Catholics.

Six million total in Poland alone, hand-in-hand.

Oh I agree, I was responding to the OP who said at one point Catholics weren’t targeted. I forgot to include her post. I believe she (or is it he?) corrected herself (himself) later anyway.

 

[BSHoop96]

OK.

GKC

funny…

 

[GKC]

funny…

Merci beaucoup.

GKC

 

[ProVobis]

Oh I agree, I was responding to the OP who said at one point Catholics weren’t targeted.

Well, Catholics could have been Jews. And if many Catholics were indeed classified as Jews because they might have been tiny-part-Jewish, then I could easily believe the 6 million figure.

 

[Peter_J]

The Jewish people want you and all of us to think otherwise and I refuse to do that. Almost like a brainwashing.

Careful there, OTCA, or you’ll give anti-Semitism a bad name. Your fellow anti-Semites might not be too happy with you.

 

[GKC]

Well, Catholics could have been Jews. And if many Catholics were indeed classified as Jews because they might have been tiny-part-Jewish, then I could easily believe the 6 million figure.

I have no particular affection for the 6 million figure. Reputable historians differ on the total (which can never be exact) , from a little below 4 million, to a little above 6 million, The range is reasonable. Why can you believe it, if the figure included RCs, as “partially Jews” and not for Jews, simply?

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

What is your problem? I have given you what you asked for, yet you keep beating me up as a fellow Catholic.

Holy cow! Do you mean to say that you’re a Catholic?!

 

[geometer]

I would like to know why people cannot have a different opinion about the Holocaust without being condemned for it. Many people don’t even believe there were even that many Jews in Germany at that time. If someone else wants to think and believe that the number was different, he has every right to do so without being ridiculed about it.
What about the Jewish couple who lied about even meeting at the Holocaust? They went on to write this wonderful love story about the Holocaust and it turned out they were never even there! They went on Oprah and lied to her and lied to the media about their story. What about them? What about the millions of Christians who were murdered during the Holocaust? Gypsys?
Although I agree the Jews were in fact targeted victims, others also perished. Why not talk about these victims?
Don’t get me wrong, it was a terrible awful catastrophic event that should of never happened and I feel for the Jews, but people have a right to have a different view about it and not be ridiculed for it.

The United States of America is in posession of the complete record of everyone wo was killed in the holocaust. The Nazis made detailed records of their cimes against humaity, and the US gained posession of those records when the war ended.

If you would like to promote an acurate oppinion, go to Washington, D.C. and do your own research. Many have. The records have been made public…