Why Can't Anyone Have A Different Opinion About The Holocaust?

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I remain fully jaded re SSPX since the excommunication of M. Lefebvre and his crew
and anti-Semiticsm is indeed a barrier to full reconciliation with the Vatican.
 
Again, I’m rather certain that the info is INcorrect,
so it changes nothing.
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(name removed by moderator) said he will fact-check.
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If the info is pre-determined to be INcorrect, then what is there really to fact-check?

If the Archbishop had been excommunicated before he made Williamson a Bishop, then to me, the consecration to being a Bishop is not valid.

If both were excommunicated at the same time, then Williamson still isn’t a Bishop; or, could he still be a Bishop, but be an excommunicated one?? Does excommunication mean a loss of office as well?
 
Earnest_Bunbury said:
The term “ethnic” is not a narrow definition. From Dictionary.com:

Judaism is a religion, an ethic, Semite is a commonality as it relates to people descended from Shem. As Arabs are Semites, they too are of the Judaic ethnic group, but as we well know not of the Judaic ethic as they have a distinct and separate religion but the same ancestry.

The underlying aspect is that Holocaust denial is the modus operandi of the anti-Semite.
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Yes, Judaism is a religion. But “Jewish” can mean BOTH “a believer in Judaism” and “a member of the Jewish people”. It is quite possible to be one without being the other.

Secondly, there are also Arab Jews, hundreds of thousands of which were forced to flee to Israel in the late 1940’s.
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
According to the Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions (1965) starts out with:
"Even though the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ (John 19:16) etc…Jews cannot be blamed as today with crimes committed during His passion" (#4)…
In other words, you sir are taking the blame totally from the Jews when they did in fact have something to do with Jesus’s death. Both Pilate AND the Jews were responsible for Christ’s death. But Pilate alone? Sorry, didn’t happen.
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It would seem that you read this particular document of your own church with a bias. Because if your quote is correct, it does not blame the Jewish people as a whole, but those that followed the lead of the leaders of the people. And I hope you’re not going to argue that the entirety of the Jewish people did?
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
Because you said they are not responsible for ANY human beings deaths when in fact, they are. Right in Gaza today.
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And how is the Jewish people responsible for the situation in Gaza?
This is gonna be good. Please throw in some Illuminati/Freemason-stuff for entertainment value.

Could someone pass the popcorn, please? 🍿
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
Who are you to judge me? I only have to answer to one being and that is Jesus Christ. I am tired of explaining myself to you. I put you on ignore.
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Oh no! Now the poor guy is losing sleep!
Or…I think he’ll sleep just well. Getting put on ignore by anti-semites and bigots should be taken as a compliment 😉
 
LutheranDK said:
Yes, Judaism is a religion. But “Jewish” can mean BOTH “a believer in Judaism” and “a member of the Jewish people”. It is quite possible to be one without being the other.

Secondly, there are also Arab Jews, hundreds of thousands of which were forced to flee to Israel in the late 1940’s.
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Hundreds of thousands of Arab Jews were not forced to flee. I’d like to see a list of even 5 arab jews who were forced to flee. An “arab jew” is a jew living in an arab nation.
 
Peter_J said:
Nice use of reverse-pyschology. 👍
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If you want to have a different opinion about reality from the rest of us, you can do so. Just go to a homeless shelter and you will find lots of people who will tell you it was all started by the Martians.
 
Just go to a homeless shelter and you will find lots of people who will tell you it was all started by the Martians.
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I know the point you are trying to make. But, I’ve been there and the answer is no they won’t.
 
djconklin said:
The link keeps getting truncated.

Got to wiki and search for “Jewish exodus from Arab lands.”
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I know jews were expelled from arab lands. The post I was responding to said hundreds of thousands of arab jews were expelled from Israel. Perhaps the post was a typo or I misread it.

Sorry, I did misread it. I thought it said “fled from Israel” but it said “fled to Israel”. My apologies.
 
djconklin said:
You said, and I quote: “He was consecrated a bishop in 1988 by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre …” Thank you for supplying the date and by whom he was made a bishop.

What do you mean by “at which time”? Why was he excommunicated? Why would the excommunication be lifted?
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Hi djconklin,

I guess these questions have been pretty thoroughly answered, but I’ll just make a general note that in the Catholic Church, excommunication is automatic for any Catholic who gets himself consecrated a bishop by a non-Catholic (i.e. not in full communion with Rome) bishop, or by a Catholic bishop without proper authorization. (For Western Catholic bishops, “proper authorization” means permission from the Pope. For Eastern Catholic bishops, the authorization might come instead from their patriarch/synod.)
 
Appleby said:
If you want to have a different opinion about reality from the rest of us, you can do so. Just go to a homeless shelter and you will find lots of people who will tell you it was all started by the Martians.
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Well, I don’t know who this “the rest of us” is, but I do have a different opinion than what Dauphin stated:
I’m telling you, this sentiment is real and growing. The more this dead horse is beaten, the more people will come to the bishop’s defense. If that’s what Jewish groups want, then they should continue calling for Bishop Williamson’s head.
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Originally Posted by djconklin
You said, and I quote: “He was consecrated a bishop in 1988 by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre …” Thank you for supplying the date and by whom he was made a bishop.
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What do you mean by “at which time”? Why was he excommunicated? Why would the excommunication be lifted?
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Hi djconklin,

I guess these questions have been pretty thoroughly answered,
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Oh?!? In which post?
but I’ll just make a general note that in the Catholic Church, excommunication is automatic for any Catholic who gets himself consecrated a bishop by a non-Catholic (i.e. not in full communion with Rome) bishop, or by a Catholic bishop without proper authorization.
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As I understood it matters stood with an archbishop consecrating Williamson and then both were excommunicated.
 
I’m telling you, this sentiment is real and growing. The more this dead horse is beaten, the more people will come to the bishop’s defense.
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The more an idiot and a liar is exposed the more people comes to his defense?!? What kind of nonsense is that?!?
 
Originally Posted by djconklin
The more an idiot and a liar is exposed the more people comes to his defense?!? What kind of nonsense is that?!?
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Not nonsense. It’s the logic of desperation.
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When people get desperate logic is the last thing they use.
 
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