Why Can't Anyone Have A Different Opinion About The Holocaust?

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OneTrueCathApos said:
It matters to me when people are talking about the bishop who claims that the numbers are quite smaller than thought. That’s all. He has a right to his opinion, he must have evidence of this, but it is not my opinion. God forbid anyone speak out about the Holocaust.
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His “evidence” was conspiracy theory type stuff, and he has apologized for offending so many people and says he is studying the evidence again to see if he was mistaken.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
His “evidence” was conspiracy theory type stuff, and he has apologized for offending so many people and says he is studying the evidence again to see if he was mistaken.
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I would think that a man so convinced that women do not belong in university would be able to discern that such ‘evidence’ as he accepted was false…:rolleyes:
 
Neil_Anthony said:
His “evidence” was conspiracy theory type stuff, and he has apologized for offending so many people and says he is studying the evidence again to see if he was mistaken.
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Too bad he got caught on that video saying what he did.

It wasn’t a very good moment for him.
 
Peter_J said:
Indeed.

I have a question of my own that I’d like to pose to everyone: Do you think that a lot of people pay too much attention to Holocaust deniers (and Holocaust questioners), and actually empower them?
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That’s hard to say. Personally, the only time I even have this type of conversation is on this board. I don’t think holocaust deniers have as much “power” in the U.S. as they do in Europe.
 
Allan_M said:
There were 60 million deaths caused by WWII, and I’ll bet there were more catholics killed than jews, they get a country for it, and we get to protect them and die at the hands of those who oppose them… :mad:
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Did you fight in WWII?
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
I would like to know why people cannot have a different opinion about the Holocaust without being condemned for it. Many people don’t even believe there were even that many Jews in Germany at that time. If someone else wants to think and believe that the number was different, he has every right to do so without being ridiculed about it.
What about the Jewish couple who lied about even meeting at the Holocaust? They went on to write this wonderful love story about the Holocaust and it turned out they were never even there! They went on Oprah and lied to her and lied to the media about their story. What about them? What about the millions of Christians who were murdered during the Holocaust? Gypsys?
Although I agree the Jews were in fact targeted victims, others also perished. Why not talk about these victims?
Don’t get me wrong, it was a terrible awful catastrophic event that should of never happened and I feel for the Jews, but people have a right to have a different view about it and not be ridiculed for it.
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For an educated adult to claim only 300,000 Jews were killed in concentration camps and none were killed in gas chambers is downright despicable. You have to question if someone like that is actually anti-Semitic. There is enough evidence that around 6 million Jews were murdered in the camps and that the gas chambers were extensively used to murder them for even a 5 year old to understand that. Anyone who claims that did not happen is a liar and a bigot.
 
Sounds like the bishop is in a lot of trouble, and Papa was not amused.

Associated Press said:
Vatican: Bishop’s apology on Holocaust not enough
VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican said Friday that the apology issued by an ultraconservaaive bishop who denied the Holocaust was not good enough to admit him into the Catholic Church as a clergyman, the Vatican said Friday.

Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi said Bishop Richard Williamson’s statement “doesn’t appear to respect the conditions” the Vatican set out for him.

In an interview broadcast last month on Swedish state TV, Williamson denied 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, saying 200,000 or 300,000 were murdered. He said none were gassed.

Williamson apologized for his remarks on Thursday, saying he would never have made them if he had known “the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise.”

But he did not say his comments had been erroneous, nor that he no longer believed them.

Williamson’s initial remarks sparked widespread outrage among Jewish groups and others. The interview was broadcast just days before the Vatican announced that it was lifting his excommunication and that of three other bishops.

The four, members of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, had been excommunicated after being consecrated as bishops without papal consent in 1988.

Bowing to the criticism, the Vatican on Feb. 4 demanded that Williamson “absolutely and unequivocally distance himself from his remarks about the Shoah if he is to be admitted to episcopal functions in the church.” Shoah is the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

In his statement Friday, Lombardi noted that Williamson’s comments were not addressed to Pope Benedict XVI or to the Vatican’s Ecclesia Dei commission, which has been dealing with the Society of St. Pius X ever since its bishops were excommunicated.

Williamson issued the statement, carried by the Zenit Catholic news agency, upon his arrival in Britain after being expelled from Argentina.

In it, Williamson said he was only giving the opinion of a “non-historian” during the Swedish TV interview. He said that opinion was “formed 20 years ago on the basis of evidence then available, and rarely expressed in public since.”

However, he said, “the events of recent weeks and the advice of senior members of the Society of St. Pius X have persuaded me of my responsibility for much distress caused.”

“To all souls that took honest scandal from what I said, before God I apologize.”

Jewish groups were not impressed.

“With his failure to clearly retract his malicious lies, Williamson has shown again that he is a convinced anti-Semite and an incorrigible Holocaust denier,” said the head of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Charlotte Knobloch.

Elan Steinberg, vice president of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, said he could not tell if Williamson’s apology was genuine.

“If it is, let him reflect over the coming weeks and make a proper act of penance,” he said in an e-mail statement. “For our part, we seek to move ahead and resume the Catholic-Jewish dialogue with renewed vigor and determination.”

The Society of St. Pius X has distanced itself from Williamson’s remarks and removed him as the director of its seminary in La Reja, Argentina.
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Oops.
 
Jews are not actually a separate race, as someone said. Most Jewish people I know belong to the Caucasian race, with many having Semitic features to one extent or another. There are also a few African and Asian Jews.
 
Middleman said:
Jews are not actually a separate race, as someone said. Most Jewish people I know belong to the Caucasian race, with many having Semitic features to one extent or another. There are also a few African and Asian Jews.
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Yes and no. There are some genetic markers that those of Jewish descent do share.
 
ralphinal said:
Yes and no. There are some genetic markers that those of Jewish descent do share.
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The same can be said of some Baptists: large! That was just a friendly joke about the love Baptists have for pot luck suppers.
 
Middleman said:
Jews are not actually a separate race, as someone said. Most Jewish people I know belong to the Caucasian race, with many having Semitic features to one extent or another. There are also a few African and Asian Jews.
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When scientific racism was a going concern (late 19th/early 20th centuries), they were considered a separate race from white Germanic Europeans; so were Celts. Both groups have been incorporated into the white “race” as a form of social promotion coinciding with upward social mobility and cultural assimilation.

In other words, while we may think of our Jewish friends and neighbors as “white”, they were not always considered “white.” (Neither would I have been considered “white” in the same period, being a Celt.)
 
thistle said:
For an educated adult to claim only 300,000 Jews were killed in concentration camps and none were killed in gas chambers is downright despicable. You have to question if someone like that is actually anti-Semitic. There is enough evidence that around 6 million Jews were murdered in the camps and that the gas chambers were extensively used to murder them for even a 5 year old to understand that. Anyone who claims that did not happen is a liar and a bigot.
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You see? If someone doesn’t agree with this, they are already an anti-semite. This bishop is not an anti-semite.
 
Yes, the common definition of a race has changed since the 1920’s. But technically there are 3 races of humans, Caucasian, Negroid, and Mongoloid.
 
GKC said:
Hislop claimed to have evidence that the RCC was the Scarlet Woman.

Claims can be judged.

GKC
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**That’s because he doesn’t understand the Catholic church, nor our religion with our history. **
 
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