Why Can't Anyone Have A Different Opinion About The Holocaust?

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I can imagine a more foolish strategy based on ignoring people of influence who preach holocaust denial. That would be a more foolish strategy.
If you don’t believe me, check out the comments for this story. The most popular and third most popular comments are in defense of Bishop Williamson:

cbc.ca/world/story/2009/02/27/vatican.html#socialcomments

The CBC is a mainstream network in Canada.

This is blowing up in the faces of those prosecuting the crusade against Bishop Williamson. If Jewish groups had left the bishop alone, only a few people in Sweden would have heard his remarks, and they would have been dismissed and forgotten. Now, thanks to the public hyper-ventilation and endless screams for a pound of flesh on the part of Jewish leaders, reasonable people are coming to his defense.
 
This is hardly a crusade against Williamson(he is no longer to be considered to be a Bishop).
He can’t exercise episcopal ministry within the Church until he withdraw his comments, but he is still a bishop. The sacrament of Holy Orders confers and indelible character on the soul. He is a bishop forever.
 
If you don’t believe me, check out the comments for this story. The most popular and third most popular comments are in defense of Bishop Williamson:

cbc.ca/world/story/2009/02/27/vatican.html#socialcomments

The CBC is a mainstream network in Canada.

This is blowing up in the faces of those prosecuting the crusade against Bishop Williamson. If Jewish groups had left the bishop alone, only a few people in Sweden would have heard his remarks, and they would have been dismissed and forgotten. Now, thanks to the public hyper-ventilation and endless screams for a pound of flesh on the part of Jewish leaders, reasonable people are coming to his defense.
“Pound of Flesh”?Oh my! I’d be careful if in using THAT particular phrase in this circumstance lest people here suspect that you may harbour certain prejudices.The notorious phrase "pound of flesh"originated with Shylock a rather horrible anti-semitic caricature of Jews found in Shakespeares play,The Merchant of Venice which refected the anti-semitic times it was written in.

"Reasonable"people?Don’t make me laugh-they are as I said,“the usual suspects”-a euphemism.

If I get stabbed once should I not say anything and let the stabber alone in hopes that he won’t stab me again?that kind of reasoning could get me killed.That kind of reasoning could get the Jews killed,too.
 
He can’t exercise episcopal ministry within the Church until he withdraw his comments, but he is still a bishop. The sacrament of Holy Orders confers and indelible character on the soul. He is a bishop forever.
Oh really?What about those women who "received"Holy Orders?Are they priests,forever?They were "ordained"by a Bishop too.If this fool ever occupies a Bishophric I’ll eat his mitre.And his crook.
 
“Pound of Flesh”?Oh my! I’d be careful if in using THAT particular phrase in this circumstance lest people here suspect that you may harbour certain prejudices.The notorious phrase "pound of flesh originated with Shylock a rather horrible anti-semtic caricature of Jews found in Shakespeares play,The Merchant of Venice which refected the anti-semitic times it was written in.

"Reasonable"people?Don’t make me laugh-they are as I said,“the ususl suspects”.
I know precisely where that phrase was from, and I used it deliberately to be provocative. Jewish groups are acting out the same “bloodthirsty” stereotype which Shakespeare exploited. They need to calm down and stop the calumny, because they’re not doing themselves any favors.
 
People who believe in intellectual and religious freedom have a lot of explaining to do as to how they can justify the crusade against Bishop Williamson. What are they going to do next? Water-board him? Put him on the rack?

I have a hard time feeling sympathy for him. He doesn’t seem to have any empathy for the victims of the Holocaust and their relatives to whom his comments have caused pain (and, understandably, rage).

Also, shouldn’t people be held accountable for what they say? No one forced him to make the interview or to make the comments he made.

As I said before, he has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. The Holocaust is a matter of historical fact.

I disapproved of the media frenzy that erupted after the excommunications were lifted, because it seemed driven by a misunderstanding of what the de-excommunications meant, as well as a desire to assume the worst about the Vatican and Pope Benedict. But that doesn’t mean that I condone Bishop Williamson’s comments. I think they were irresponsible and mean-spirited.
Any reasonable person can see how absurd and self-defeating the attacks on the bishop have been. If his views are so absurd, why don’t people just ignore him, like you would a crazy preacher on the street?
I think it’s because his comments are an assault on the truth.
Instead, Jewish groups launch a massive assault, not just against the bishop, but against the Catholic Church, thereby provoking defensive reactions and leading more people to question the Holocaust. It’s difficult to imagine a more foolish strategy.
Really? If that’s so, it’s bizarre. So if I’m offended by something Ward Churchill says, I can revise the history of the Trail of Tears? This just sounds like so much tit-for-tat identity politics.
 
Oh really?What about those women who "received"Holy Orders?Are they priests,forever?They were "ordained"by a Bishop too.If this fool ever occupies a Bishophric I’ll eat his mitre.And his crook.
Women aren’t correct “matter” for the sacrament. Any attempted ordination of a woman will be invalid.

Bishop Williamson, however, was validly ordained, and the Vatican recognizes this.
 
I know precisely where that phrase was from, and I used it deliberately to be provocative. Jewish groups are acting out the same “bloodthirsty” stereotype which Shakespeare exploited. They need to calm down and stop the calumny, because they’re not doing themselves any favors.
Quit while you think you’re ahead,pal.Don’t embarrass yourself further.
 
I know precisely where that phrase was from, and I used it deliberately to be provocative. Jewish groups are acting out the same “bloodthirsty” stereotype which Shakespeare exploited. They need to calm down and stop the calumny, because they’re not doing themselves any favors.
Wow. I just spent an hour today arguing that Catholics who attend the Latin Mass are not necessarily anti-Semitic. Then I come to the boards and read this, and I become very demoralized.
 
I have a hard time feeling sympathy for him. He doesn’t seem to have any empathy for the victims of the Holocaust and their relatives to whom his comments have caused pain (and, understandably, rage).
“If I had known beforehand the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise, especially to the church, but also to survivors and relatives of victims of injustice under the Third Reich, I would not have made them,” - Bishop Williamson

I take it you don’t think he’s sincere?
 
Calumny is bearing false witness against one’s neighbour.The Jews are HARDLY guilty of this.Your acting as if your ox has been gored.Williamson is not MY ox.He is an old fool who has embarrassed himself,us and the Church.He has caused scandal as he himself has admitted.The Pope should hide this disgrace of a priest in the attic of the Vatican.
 
Quit while you think you’re ahead,pal.Don’t embarrass yourself further.
Wow. I just spent an hour today arguing that Catholics who attend the Latin Mass are not necessarily anti-Semitic. Then I come to the boards and read this, and I become very demoralized.
I think Bishop Williamson’s comments were totally false, but the ensuing crusade against him has only aggravated the situation and created sympathy for his position.

If Jewish groups don’t want to continue contributing to the “bloodthirsty” stereotype, they need to take a more measured approach. Some of the comments from Jewish leaders in Germany (Calling the Pope a liar, smearing all traditional Catholics as anti-Semites) have been completely over the top and totally uncalled for.
 
Women aren’t correct “matter” for the sacrament. Any attempted ordination of a woman will be invalid.

Bishop Williamson, however, was validly ordained, and the Vatican recognizes this.
By a renegade schismatic and excommunicated Lefebre.He will never carry out the office of Bishop now and you know it.
 
By a renegade schismatic and excommunicated Lefebre.He will never carry out the office of Bishop now and you know it.
If he withdraws his comments, the Vatican has said he could exercise episcopal ministry.

Knowing a bit about Bishop Williamson, however, I think it’s highly unlikely that he’ll “recant”.
 
I think Bishop Williamson’s comments were totally false, but the ensuing crusade against him has only aggravated the situation and created sympathy for his position.

If Jewish groups don’t want to continue contributing to the “bloodthirsty” stereotype, they need to take a more measured approach. Some of the comments from Jewish leaders in Germany (Calling the Pope a liar, smearing all traditional Catholics as anti-Semites) have been completely over the top and totally uncalled for.
A gross exaggeration on your part.The Church always has enemies,Jews or not and NOT usually Jews.This old fool just gives them ammunition.If you recognise that Jewish "bloodthirstyness’ is a stereotype why do you persist in employing it?
 
If he withdraws his comments, the Vatican has said he could exercise episcopal ministry.

Knowing a bit about Bishop Williamson, however, I think it’s highly unlikely that he’ll “recant”.
Source,please.
 
I take it you don’t think he’s sincere?
I guess I did think it came across as a kind of pro forma apology, but I hope he’s sincere. Does that mean I can’t think Holocaust deniers lack empathy? He has associated himself with a number of dubious causes over the years, which suggests to me that he has a disordered love of controversy.
 
I think Bishop Williamson’s comments were totally false, but the ensuing crusade against him has only aggravated the situation and created sympathy for his position.

If Jewish groups don’t want to continue contributing to the “bloodthirsty” stereotype, they need to take a more measured approach. Some of the comments from Jewish leaders in Germany (Calling the Pope a liar, smearing all traditional Catholics as anti-Semites) have been completely over the top and totally uncalled for.
Who even acknowledges the bloodthirsty stereotype any more? Besides, considering the people Williamson has aligned himself with by taking the position he did, one can understand a very strong reaction.

Who are these people who have chosen to empathize with Williamson, anyway?
 
Who even acknowledges the bloodthirsty stereotype any more? Besides, considering the people Williamson has aligned himself with by taking the position he did, one can understand a very strong reaction.

Who are these people who have chosen to empathize with Williamson, anyway?
THE USUAL SUSPECTS-a VERY polite euphemism.
 
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