Why can't Muslims take a joke?

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**Why can’t Muslims take a joke?
**By Spengler

Religious humor has become commonplace in the secular West, but it came with a price.

More than any people on Earth, the Danes should know the terrible price of religious humor, for the first great Christian humorist arose from their dour midst as if by immaculate conception. “Humor is intrinsic to Christianity,” wrote Soren Kierkegaard, because “truth is hidden in mystery”. But Kierkegaard the humorist was sent to the Danes after the Enlightenment had laid waste to Christianity, that is, after the

French revolutionary army had conquered traditional Europe. He wielded humor out of desperation, after Denmark already had started down its long slide toward secularism.

Like Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady, muses the secular West after the Danish cartoon catastrophe, “Why can’t a Muslim be more like a Jew?” After all, Arab newspapers daily publish hideous caricatures of Jews, who do not burn down Arab embassies in response. But the Jews learned to swallow humiliation at a dreadful cost. When Rome defiled their temple at Jerusalem in AD 66, the Jews rebelled. Rome crushed them, but they rose again in AD 132, fighting more Roman legions under Tiberius than had conquered Britain. After most Jews were dead or exiled, the remnant invented self-deprecating humor. [1]

Deprecatory cartoons of Jesus would have earned you the dungeon or the stake during most of Christianity’s 2,000-year history. Britain still has not abolished the Blasphemous Libel Law against mockery of the Church of England, although the last Englishman punished for blasphemy was a certain William Gott, who received nine months’ imprisonment in 1922 for comparing Jesus to a circus clown.

to read more: atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HB07Ak02.html
 
In my opinion, you have to be educated and intelligent to appreciate humor. It seems that the only education many muslims have is in their religion.
 
Here’s one of the most profound contributions from the article.

“With freedom of choice and access to information come doubt. Western scholars doubt whether Mohammed ever existed [2] or, if he existed, whether the Koran was invented two centuries after his death, or indeed whether the Koran even was written in Arabic. Christianity and Judaism are bloodied - indeed, drained almost dry - by nearly two centuries of scriptural criticism; Islam’s turn barely has begun.”

One has wondered why the Church seems so emasculated. I think he explains it, at least in part, quite well.

CDL
 
Seems to me that there is a double standard at play here, but then from my investigations into Islam this is the norm.

Seems that they get upset with attempted humor or even questioning when those questions bring up unflatering things about Muhammad.

Yet we can see from some of the posts here that they show little respect for our Faith. Not all muslims, but there are some. Especially on that thread on the Trinity.

Seems muslims are only bound to respect and honor other muslims while all non-muslims are bound to respect and honor them but they do not share that requriement.
 
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ByzCath:
Seems to me that there is a double standard at play here, but then from my investigations into Islam this is the norm.

Seems that they get upset with attempted humor or even questioning when those questions bring up unflatering things about Muhammad.

Yet we can see from some of the posts here that they show little respect for our Faith. Not all muslims, but there are some. Especially on that thread on the Trinity.

Seems muslims are only bound to respect and honor other muslims while all non-muslims are bound to respect and honor them but they do not share that requriement.
We are to respect all people. That doesnt mean we have to agree with you, but it does mean that we wont draw insulting images of Paul, John, Mathew, Luke etc…we expect the same in return.
 
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Faith101:
We are to respect all people. That doesnt mean we have to agree with you, but it does mean that we wont draw insulting images of Paul, John, Mathew, Luke etc…we expect the same in return.
Muslims are free to draw all the offensive pictures they want. Yes, I’ll be upset about it, and yes I may decide not to associate with you if you do, but that’s not the point. The point is that in Western society it is your right to speak your mind even if what you are thinking will offend others. Deal with it, just like the rest of us in the Western world. Of course, it is also your right to refrain from insulting me with satirizing images of my religion, just as I choose not to insult muslims by depicting your prophet in a drawing. That’s beside the point. It’s the right to spek one’s opinion that is at issue.

Yes, people are to be respected, even if they don’t agree with you, and even if they publish cartoons that satirize your beliefs. In western culture that is the price we pay for freedom of speech. You can say what you want, even if it’s offensive, and I have to respect your right to say it - and draw it - even if I don’t agree.

How many jew-baiting cartoons are published in muslim countries? How many times have christian-bashing “crusader” cartoons been strewn about the media in the islamic world? (Please don’t deny it or I’ll be forced to link to some pretty disgusting sites for examples.)

I don’t like it, but I accept it as the right of free people in the west to express their opinion and belief - warped though it may be. I expect the same from the muslim world when someone in the west says something warped and offensive to a muslim. Death treats, looting and rioting are simply unacceptable and uttlerly indefensible acts.
 
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Faith101:
We are to respect all people. That doesnt mean we have to agree with you, but it does mean that we wont draw insulting images of Paul, John, Mathew, Luke etc…we expect the same in return.
Yes you do. I have seen insulting images of the Pope in Islamic newspapers. I would rather you draw in insulting image than deficate in one of our Churches as you did when you took over the Church of the Nativity. I would rather have you draw an image of burning a church rather than burn one as you did in Lebanon yesterday. When you act like barbarians don’t expect to be treated as a diplomatic, tactful, civilized person.
 
I ain’t a muslim but i can confirm that i persoanally found nothing joking or funny about the cartoons, they had an agenda and such an agenda has worked. I know nothing of the newspaper that they appeared in but i would be my money on it being a trashy right wing tabloid spouting its usual racist and reactionary bile. Surely to portray a whole religion as suicide bombers isn’t funny? or is it just me who doesn’t have a sense of humour?
 
Faith 101
We are to respect all people.
Please explain what you mean by “We are to respect all people.” Please explain the Muslim interpretation of “all people”. Is this referring only to Muslims? Does this mean that if one is not Muslim that person is not considered a “people”? Please explain how respect is shown when buildings are burned, death threats are issued, rioting, causing chaos. Does “respect all people” not include their possessions?

Is this your definition of “respect”? Please explain.
 
I don’t care who you are, or what religion you belong to, if something offends somebody, then it offends them. Sense of humor has nothing to do with it. Muslims found it offensive and people need to respect that.

I remember seeing some kid wearing a shirt that said something profane about Jesus. I was offended. Should I have had a sense of humor? I’m sure the bozo thought it was funny.

Rule of thumb: If someone would be offended by something you say or write, don’t say or write it.
 
MugenOne said:
Why can’t Muslims take a joke?

It comes down to insecurity. People feel insecure when their houses are built on sand.

The storms came and the winds blew…
 
If your offended by what someone else thinks and believe’s, that’s your problem. You shouldn’t expect them to keep quiet because your offended. Some people find abortion protesters offensive, I dont think they should be stopped from protesting. I thank God I live in america, where we have the freedom to express our belief’s no matter how offensive or ingnorent they are.
 
wjohnson, that was a sad commentary for America and you, as I am assuming you are a Christian and maybe even a Catholic Christian.

Yes, people do have the right to say anything. That’s America.

They also have the right to Use the Lord’s name in vein, worship false images, have many Gods, abuse the Lord’s day, disrespect their parents, kill (unborn babies), bear false witness, have extra-marital affairs, covet thy neighbor’s goods. At least they can’t steal. 1 out of 10 is better than none.

Let’s not let American law direct our morals.

Now don’t get me wrong, the founding fathers did create a great country. But the 1st Amendment was not an endorsement for offending people or showcasing ignorance. We do have laws limiting the 1st Amendment.

Yes, I guess in America we can say anything we want. But that doesn’t make it right. “Do unto others…” Are we forgetting?
 
Pjs2ejs,
Some find Moslem protesters offensive. Do you think the govt. should round them up in a detention facility so we wont be offended by them?

I dont think you will ever understand If you dont value freedom.
 
According to the chronology of the cartoon, it was first published back in September. So why now all this controversy? Seems like in December through January a Danish Muslim group went throughout the Middle East showing these cartoons to religious and political leaders. What was the motive? Personally I believe there was only one. Inciting riots. So one of Lebanon’s leading clerics is demanding the hands be cut off of those that drew those cartoons. They will not accept apologies. They want war. This is the religion that Muslims here and around the world keep insisting that it is a religion of peace? I hope that this wakes up the rest of the world to the true colors of Islam. Muslims claims that yes there are extremist but if you will look at the videos and pictures in the news from different Muslim dominated cities, these are all ordinary Muslims? So to those Muslims who are outraged because of the cartoons about Mohammed, is Islam a one way street? Is it their believe that “we can do to you but you better not do it to us”. I just found a website (I will not post it as it is out of taste, but anybody can do a search and find it) but it shows cartoons from seven different Arab countries that are offensive to Jews, the US, Pres Bush. Have the embassies of these nations being burned and damaged? Have Americans/Jews taken to the street shouting death to these nations and demanding that the hands be cut off of these cartoonists?

To quote from an earlier Fox New Report

“What is striking about this is what offends these Muslims who are protesting and these imams. Does the slaughter of innocent people in many parts of the world in the name of Allah offend them? Is that a sacrilege worthy of protest? No, not in the least. No, cartoons published five months ago in a -what- for people who live in Gaza and Damascus is an unknown and unheard-of newspaper–that’s what’s offending them. Not to mention, of course, the kinds of slurs against Christians and against the Jewish faith that are regularly spread abroad in the Arab world by the mass media and by these imams.

This is really a disgrace. And it is a disgrace not least because of the obvious, howling double standard involved here. The really great sins are ignored. And this trivia is protested." (Emphasis mine)
 
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antonyrp:
Our freedom is once more being threatened. We have never experience this kind of war before. Our enemy this time has a different mindset. Their aim is to exterminate all the kafirs of the earth and to establish islam world domination. Please sign in the petition in the web site below as one way to unite the humanity.
Support Denmark now and save this small country against its muzzie bullies. Should we sit back and wait for the forced exodus of Danes to Greenland because of extermination of muzzies once become the majority? Muzzies are breeding like rodents across europe!

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Also visit www.faithfreedom.org
Its funny, my mother worked with alot of muslims many years ago and they said to her “One day, you will see, the world will become muslim”.

Jesus’ coming will happen before the world becomes muslim 👍
 
MugenOne said:
Why can’t Muslims take a joke?
By Spengler

Religious humor has become commonplace in the secular West, but it came with a price.

More than any people on Earth, the Danes should know the terrible price of religious humor, for the first great Christian humorist arose from their dour midst as if by immaculate conception. “Humor is intrinsic to Christianity,” wrote Soren Kierkegaard, because “truth is hidden in mystery”. But Kierkegaard the humorist was sent to the Danes after the Enlightenment had laid waste to Christianity, that is, after the

French revolutionary army had conquered traditional Europe. He wielded humor out of desperation, after Denmark already had started down its long slide toward secularism.

Like Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady, muses the secular West after the Danish cartoon catastrophe, “Why can’t a Muslim be more like a Jew?” After all, Arab newspapers daily publish hideous caricatures of Jews, who do not burn down Arab embassies in response. But the Jews learned to swallow humiliation at a dreadful cost. When Rome defiled their temple at Jerusalem in AD 66, the Jews rebelled. Rome crushed them, but they rose again in AD 132, fighting more Roman legions under Tiberius than had conquered Britain. After most Jews were dead or exiled, the remnant invented self-deprecating humor. [1]

Deprecatory cartoons of Jesus would have earned you the dungeon or the stake during most of Christianity’s 2,000-year history. Britain still has not abolished the Blasphemous Libel Law against mockery of the Church of England, although the last Englishman punished for blasphemy was a certain William Gott, who received nine months’ imprisonment in 1922 for comparing Jesus to a circus clown.

to read more: atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HB07Ak02.html

There was a successful prosecution in 1977 - I remember it vividly.

More info here: mary-whitehouse.biography.ms/ ##
 
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