Why can't muslims understand?

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swariffin said:
Then why can you explain to me that God is eternal and uncreated, and Quran is eternal and uncreated. Two eternal and uncreated beings. There are 2 Gods in Muslim belief. I have asked you many times in many other threads, and no answer so far. Are you afraid that the answer of your 2 eternal and uncreated will fall into John 1:1 as you mentioned?
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** I have got your message. God is surely the Creator and He is uncreated. The Quran is like bible. It is a message and not something about which we may discuss the creation. It is not a creature. That is for sure. And it is not a god too. So I hope you now understand.**
 
Ruthie wrote:

If you paid attention to what we Trinitarians say, you would understand that we believe in one God in three Persons. We don’t have three gods in one and we don’t have three gods besides one God. We have only one God.
Thanks. Again there are three persons and One God is in them. Because you say One God is in three persons. That is strange. One God in three persons???.
 
planten said:
** I have got your message. God is surely the Creator and He is uncreated. The Quran is like bible. It is a message and not something about which we may discuss the creation. It is not a creature.** That is for sure. And it is not a god too So I hope you now understand.
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If the Koran is NOT a creature, and if it is NOT a God either, what IS it then? Could there exist UNcreated things that are NOT God? Planten, I am sure you do not know what you are stating either. 🙂
 
planten said:
** I have got your message. God is surely the Creator and He is uncreated. The Quran is like bible. It is a message and not something about which we may discuss the creation. It is not a creature. That is for sure. And it is not a god too. So I hope you now understand.**
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Dear Planten,

So, you are saying that I am correct that according to Islam, God is “somebody” who is destined to carry a book called Quran in which that “somebody” cannot do anything with that book, but to carry that book whereever and whenever “he” goes. Nothing can be done with that book since both that “somebody” and that “book” are independently existed together with no beginning and no end. That “somebody” cannot do anything to and has no control of such “book” since that “somebody” does not know anything where that “book” came from. And also, that somebody has no knowledge of where those writings in the Quran came from.

Next Question. Since Quran is uncreated and eternal, Can God get rid or cancel the Quran?

Another Question. Since Quran in uncreated and eternal, how can Quran be the word of Gods? Remember, the existence of Quran is beyond God’s control since Quran is uncreated which means not created by God.

You are wrong on one thing. We the Christian, do not perceive the Bible as uncreated and eternal. It is Jesus as told in the bible who is uncreated and eternal, not the bible itself.

And yet, what we mean by the bible is 46 books in the OT and 27 books in the NT which the latest writing came from the era of 120 AD. So, the bible of Barnabas, the Proto-Matthew, or whatever books outside that 73 books are not included as bible.
 
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