Why can't (not all but some) Protestants leave us (Catholics) alone with our devotion?

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I don’t get it. Since Catholic devotion prayers is a private matter that the Church does not require its faithful to pray but recommends it for spiritual, why don’t Protestants just leave us alone with we pray the rosary or the the Divine Mercy Chaplet? It’s our devotion, it’s not theirs. Nor it is none of their business.
 
Are you talking about people interrupting you and trying to get your attention when you pray in front of them? That happens no matter what you are praying, no matter what religion, in my experience.
 
Are you talking about people interrupting you and trying to get your attention when you pray in front of them? That happens no matter what you are praying, no matter what religion, in my experience.
In another forum in the Apologetics about Saying the Hail Mary, there is a lot of Protestant objection to it. I’m like, sheesh, man. Hail Mary is a private prayer. No one can tell us we can’t pray it. I find praying the Hail Mary spiritually uplifting as any other prayer that I do like the Vespers, which I pray daily, one morning prayer, one evening prayer, the Divine Mercy Chaplet…

I think one of the forum member said the prayer is vain and repetitious. Jesus prayed the same prayer the third time in the Garden to his father. Or the Angels praying Holy, Holy, Holy without stoping…

I’m sure some Protestants here have started to pray some of our prayers. I don’t know who but I bet some of them do pray the rosary or even the Divine Chaplet Prayer since that prayer itself is Jesus Centered.
 
The reason is quite simple, I think.

We all normally want to tell others that they are wrong and we are right. It is mainly about anything, not just religious thing.

Sometimes, we do it out of love, the other times, we do it to defend ourselves or to force someone to believe what we believe.

Bishop Fulton Sheen said, “win an argument, lose a soul”.
 
The reason is quite simple, I think.

We all normally want to tell others that they are wrong and we are right. It is mainly about anything, not just religious thing.

Sometimes, we do it out of love, the other times, we do it to defend ourselves or to force someone to believe what we believe.

Bishop Fulton Sheen said, “win an argument, lose a soul”.
I have my own saying, “Pray often, save a soul.”
 
I don’t get it. Since Catholic devotion prayers is a private matter that the Church does not require its faithful to pray but recommends it for spiritual, why don’t Protestants just leave us alone with we pray the rosary or the the Divine Mercy Chaplet? It’s our devotion, it’s not theirs. Nor it is none of their business.
Are they scriptural?

No!

Does this mean they arte wrong?

No!
Are you talking about people interrupting you and trying to get your attention when you pray in front of them? That happens no matter what you are praying, no matter what religion, in my experience.
Correct.
In another forum in the Apologetics about Saying the Hail Mary, there is a lot of Protestant objection to it. I’m like, sheesh, man. Hail Mary is a private prayer. No one can tell us we can’t pray it.
Does “Hail” mean “Messaage to” or does “Hail” mean the same as it does in the phrase "Hail Ceaser. If it means the latter, then we should absolutely oppose it because it is worshiping her.

You would say it isn’t worshiping her, but if it has feathers and floats and looks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

If "Hail means “Message to” then I would not have an objection.

I have siad the hail Mary on Anunciation day. But to me “Hail” meant “message to.” what does it mean to you?

I stoped before the “Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death” because I don’t see the point of it and no RC has given me an explanation why you pray that.
I find praying the Hail Mary spiritually uplifting as any other prayer
This does not mean it is right. Some would say heroin is uplifting but I wouldn’t take it. It is our concern that it is not right and you think it is right because it makes you feel good that causes us to speak out.
as I do like the Vespers, which I pray daily, one morning prayer, one evening prayer,
As many protestants do that, there is no problem.
, the Divine Mercy Chaplet.
What is it?
I think one of the forum member said the prayer is vain and repetitious. Jesus prayed the same prayer the third time in the Garden to his father. Or the Angels praying Holy, Holy, Holy without stoping…
Did you ask them why they so often say The Lords Prayer in a service or why they always end a service with The Grace? Seems repititous to me.
I’m sure some Protestants here have started to pray some of our prayers. I don’t know who but I bet some of them do pray the rosary or even the Divine Chaplet Prayer since that prayer itself is Jesus Centered.
Hush! you might cause a witch hunt!

Also, as the objective of this sight is to convert us all to Roman Catholism, you are obviously not leaving us alone.
 
Also, as the objective of this sight is to convert us all to Roman Catholism, you are obviously not leaving us alone.
Wow! Is CA going out and dragging Protestants by the neck to join the site now? That’s an amazing tactic!

No one ever asked non-Catholics to join here, no one keeps you here.

Not saying you are not welcome, but to say that we aren’t “leaving you alone” is a but much. :rolleyes:

~Liza
 
I think it is motivated, in some anyway, by a genuine concern for our souls. They are motivated by a beleif that we need to be shown the errors of our ways so that we can convert.

Personally, I want everyone praying for me at the hour of my death. Pray that I get the grace to be sure that I repent and make it home.
 
“Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee” Luke 1:28, the Angel Gabriel to our Lady

“Blessed art thou amng women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb” Luke 1:42, St. Elizabeth to our Lady

“Jesus.” - well, He is the fruit of her womb! 😉

“Holy Mary, Mother of God.” - We call Mary the Mother of God, because Jesus is God, and Mary is the mother of Jesus.

“Pray for us sinners,” - kind of like asking a friend or family member to pray for you

“now” - because we always need prayers, and obviously we’d like some currently or why would we be praying?

“and at the hour of our death” - because when we die, we will certainly need prayers to help us choose God, and Heaven.

Hence, we get: “Hail, Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.”

As far as worshipping Mary goes… we don’t. We praise her, because to praise a creature of God gives God glory - and Mary is by far the best creature God has made yet, so to praise her must surely give Him glory.
but worship, and adoration, are reserved for God alone.

Pax Christi,
Esther
 
I don’t get it. Since Catholic devotion prayers is a private matter that the Church does not require its faithful to pray but recommends it for spiritual, why don’t Protestants just leave us alone with we pray the rosary or the the Divine Mercy Chaplet? It’s our devotion, it’s not theirs. Nor it is none of their business.
because some (not all) non-Catholics claim to be able to see into human hearts and know what is going on inside us with our manner of prayer and devotion, a common failing, claiming to oneself a perogative of the deity.
 
Also,

there is one point during the crucifixion in which Christ turns to John and his mother, who are standing at the foot of his cross, and says “woman, here is your son” and “John, here is your mother”…

This was when Jesus gave His own mother to the Church, to all Christians, to be our spiritual mother.

thus we praise her as a child praises her mother.

but we do not worship her. again, worship is only for God.

Pax Christi,
Esther
 
…I don’t understand…
because some (not all) non-Catholics claim to be able to see into human hearts and know what is going on inside us with our manner of prayer and devotion, a common failing, claiming to oneself a perogative of the deity.
…is this a hey, lets bash protestants so that any who are here will be afraid to dialogue with Catholics in the future?

…how should we as Catholics respond when our fellow Christians do not understand the purpose of a Hail Mary or other such prayer?

…can’t we just explain it to them nicely, and be secure enough in our faith to not be significantly bothered by it?

…if they still don’t get it after our explanation, oh well. at least we tried, in a friendly manner, and maybe one day they will understand.

until then, all we can do is pray :crossrc: for them 😉
 
Are they scriptural?

No!
The rosary itself is base off the life, death, resurrection, and glorious mysterious of Our Lord. It is more focus on Jesus rather than Mary. It is also a mediative prayer, which reflects the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord.
Does this mean they are wrong?
They benefit Catholics because of these devotions strengthen us in our fight against temptation.
Does “Hail” mean “Messaage to” or does “Hail” mean the same as it does in the phrase "Hail Ceaser. If it means the latter, then we should absolutely oppose it because it is worshiping her.
Gabriel greeted Mary. Hail, full of grace in Luke 1:28. The Douay Rheims Bible has it, and the Latin Vulgate as well as the RSV. Is Gabriel guilty of worship? Nope.
You would say it isn’t worshiping her, but if it has feathers and floats and looks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
The veneration of Mary is hyperdulia, which is honor or veneration due to her. It is not worship because the Catholic Church has never taught that we worship her. Adoration is to God alone.
If "Hail means “Message to” then I would not have an objection.
I have siad the hail Mary on Anunciation day. But to me “Hail” meant “message to.” what does it mean to you?
Our Hail Mary is the same context Archangel Gabriel said to Mary. It is not different.
I stoped before the “Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death” because I don’t see the point of it and no RC has given me an explanation why you pray that.
Pray for us sinners is asking Mary to pray for us. It is no different than me asking you to pray for me, or ask you to pray in behalf if my sick brother.
This does not mean it is right. Some would say heroin is uplifting but I wouldn’t take it. It is our concern that it is not right and you think it is right because it makes you feel good that causes us to speak out.
It is right and not immoral to ask a saint to pray for our behalf. The Jews themselves praised Judith.

And when they met her they all blessed her and with one accord and said to her,

“You are the exaltation of Jerusalem, you are the great glory of Israel, you are the great pride of our nation! You have done all this singlehanded; you have done great good to Israel, and God is well pleased with it. May Almight Lord bless you for ever.” And all the people said, “So be it.” Judith 15:9-10.
As many protestants do that, there is no problem.
Fine.
What is it?
You pray this devotion on a regular rosary bead. You say One Our Father, One Hail Mary, the Apostles Creed. On the big bead, you recite the following: "Eternal Father, I offer you the Body, and Blood, Soul and Divinity of your Dearly Beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world. Then on the ten small beads, you recite “For the sake of His sorrowful, passion. Have mercy on us and on the whole world.” After you complete the 5 decades, you say, Holy, God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world three times.

Concluding prayer is like: Eternal God, in whom mercy is endless and the treasury of compassion inexhaustible, look kindly upon us and increase Your mercy in us, that in difficult moments we might not despair nor become despondent, but with great confidence submit ourselves to Your holy will, which is Love and Mercy itself.

Did you ask them why they so often say The Lords Prayer in a service or why they always end a service with The Grace? Seems repititous to me.

The Divine Mercy Prayer was revealed to St. Faustina in Poland, and Jesus Christ visited her and gave her the prayer. This is one of the approved Apparition of Jesus Christ.
Hush! you might cause a witch hunt!
Also, as the objective of this sight is to convert us all to Roman Catholism, you are obviously not leaving us alone.
Well, they decide to pray these devotion themselves. Not us. If they wish to convert, it is their choice not ours to make.
 
Does “Hail” mean “Messaage to” or does “Hail” mean the same as it does in the phrase "Hail Ceaser. If it means the latter, then we should absolutely oppose it because it is worshiping her.
Huh? It’s what the Angel Gabriel said to Mary in the Gospel!!! It isn’t worshipping her!
You would say it isn’t worshiping her, but if it has feathers and floats and looks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
Are you sure you’re Anglican? I used to be Anglican and we all prayed the Rosary.
If "Hail means “Message to” then I would not have an objection.
Stop being simplistic. Gabriel says it to her in the Gospel!
I have siad the hail Mary on Anunciation day. But to me “Hail” meant “message to.” what does it mean to you?
I thought it was a greeting of praise…
I stopped before the “Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death” because I don’t see the point of it and no RC has given me an explanation why you pray that.
It means just what it says, odviously.
This does not mean it is right. Some would say heroin [sic] is uplifting but I wouldn’t take it. It is our concern that it is not right and you think it is right because it makes you feel good that causes us to speak out.
Not because it makes us feel good, but because, if you do it with the proper disposition, it can dispense actual grace. Trust, me, ithas been a great spiritual aid to me when fighting temptation.
Did you ask them why they so often say The Lords Prayer in a service or why they always end a service with The Grace? Seems repititous to me.
Jesus ruled out vain repetitions, not repetitions. Otherwise, the angels and cherubim in Heaven are going against this teaching, as, for all eternity, saying “holy,holy,holy…”
Also, as the objective of this sight [sic] is to convert us all to Roman Catholism, you are obviously not leaving us alone.
Did it take you that long to figure our little scheme out…? 😛
 
I don’t get it. Since Catholic devotion prayers is a private matter that the Church does not require its faithful to pray but recommends it for spiritual, why don’t Protestants just leave us alone with we pray the rosary or the the Divine Mercy Chaplet? It’s our devotion, it’s not theirs. Nor it is none of their business.
In all fairness, these Protestants believe that these devotions are idolatrous and/or superstitious. To some Protestants, a person who prays to Mary or speaks of “offering” the Body and Blood of Jesus to God is not truly a Christian. So it’s easy to see why it’s a big deal.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, that you found out that some of your fellow Catholics, as a private devotion, were offering prayers to the goddess Isis. Would you be OK with it just because they weren’t doing it in Mass? Wouldn’t you be posting here asking for help on how to persuade them to repent of their idolatry?

Please understand that I’m not describing my own views here at all–I pray the Rosary sometimes, though not very often these days, and I sometimes watch the Divine Mercy Chaplet on EWTN. I’m explaining why some Protestants think it’s a big deal.

Larger point: I think it’s a mistake for Catholics to describe this sort of thing solely as “misunderstanding.” Protestants have a genuine theological difference with Catholics on this point, and with regard to the principle they are solidly wrong, although certainly some aspects of popular Catholic devotions to the saints can be criticized.

Edwin
 
In all fairness, these Protestants believe that these devotions are idolatrous and/or superstitious. To some Protestants, a person who prays to Mary or speaks of “offering” the Body and Blood of Jesus to God is not truly a Christian. So it’s easy to see why it’s a big deal.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, that you found out that some of your fellow Catholics, as a private devotion, were offering prayers to the goddess Isis. Would you be OK with it just because they weren’t doing it in Mass? Wouldn’t you be posting here asking for help on how to persuade them to repent of their idolatry?
For one they aren’t idolatry. Tell me was not the Body and Blood of the Lord offered to the Father at the foot of the cross? And third, none of these prayers are offered to goddess Isis.
Please understand that I’m not describing my own views here at all–I pray the Rosary sometimes, though not very often these days, and I sometimes watch the Divine Mercy Chaplet on EWTN. I’m explaining why some Protestants think it’s a big deal
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Jesus taught the prayer to St. Faustina and then this prayer is offer to all the world. I don’t think the Divine Mercy is anything different. Even the Gospel is preached in Gospel. Jesus did said, “Be merciful, as your Father in Heaven is merciful.”

The image of the Divine Mercy has a signature that said, “Jesus, I trust in you.” In Psalm 31:14 it reads, “I trust in you, O Lord, I say, you are my God.”
Larger point: I think it’s a mistake for Catholics to describe this sort of thing solely as “misunderstanding.” Protestants have a genuine theological difference with Catholics on this point, and with regard to the principle they are solidly wrong, although certainly some aspects of popular Catholic devotions to the saints can be criticized.
I think for the most part, Edwin. Protestants have a complete misunderstand that praying to saint is a puting them above God. That is a misunderstanding. Rather, when we pray to the saints, we ask them to pray with us to God, as one family.
 
Does “Hail” mean “Message to” or does “Hail” mean the same as it does in the phrase "Hail Ceaser. If it means the latter, then we should absolutely oppose it because it is worshiping her.
It means whatever St. Gabriel meant when he first said it to her, as we find recorded in Luke 1, since we are simply quoting his words to her, as recorded in the Bible.
I stoped before the “Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death” because I don’t see the point of it and no RC has given me an explanation why you pray that.
We ask for her prayers because she is up in Heaven, right next to Jesus her Son. She can pray more eloquently than we can, so we ask her to pray on our behalf to Him.
What is [The Divine Mercy chaplet]?
There are two aspects: one is the Novena, which is prayed from Good Friday until Divine Mercy Sunday, and the other is the Chaplet itself, which can be prayed not only during the Novena along with the Novena prayers, but also at any time.
Also, as the objective of this sight is to convert us all to Roman Catholism, you are obviously not leaving us alone.
All you have to do is stop logging in. 😉
 
I don’t get it. Since Catholic devotion prayers is a private matter that the Church does not require its faithful to pray but recommends it for spiritual, why don’t Protestants just leave us alone with we pray the rosary or the the Divine Mercy Chaplet? It’s our devotion, it’s not theirs. Nor it is none of their business.
Well, if you like to look at the big picture, it all traces back a very long time, and a hint can be found in Job 1:7. I ask who it is that has succeeded in getting Christian to argue against Christian, who has succeeded in dividing the church, who has succeeded in diverting our attention away from doing Christ’s work to that of defending Christ’s work? We are now sidetracked into defending Christ Himself in the Eucharist. Devotion - a product of love, (which *is *God) is under attack.

It is the evil one who sends forth the spirits of division, the spirits of doubt, the spirits of anger and hatred against Christ’s Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. We live in the kingdom of the evil one, whose influence extends to the ends of the earth “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world” (John 16:33). The evil one is not an idle spirit, but an ever active one who never rests (“no rest for the wicked”). Only if and when we succeed in reaching the New Jerusalem will we finally and permanently be free of him.

Christ’s peace be always with you.
 
I don’t get it. Since Catholic devotion prayers is a private matter that the Church does not require its faithful to pray but recommends it for spiritual, why don’t Protestants just leave us alone with we pray the rosary or the the Divine Mercy Chaplet? It’s our devotion, it’s not theirs. Nor it is none of their business.
Well Manny, if I thought you sincerely wanted an answer to that question I’d try to give you one. But I don’t really think you do…
 
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