Why cant Protestant ministers consecrate the bread to

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the body of Jesus and the wine to the blood of Jesus?
I see nowhere in the rules that it cant be done
 
For the most part, Protestants do NOT believe that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of our Lord.

That’s one reason.

For another reason, NO Protestant minister stands in the Apostolic Succession. (In fact, this is another teaching Protestants reject.) Only such Priests and Bishops aare given the charism (foir lack of a better word) to accomplish this.
 
The function of consecrating bread and wine is only reserved to VALIDLY ordained priests, who receive the power and authority to do so from VALID Apostolic succession - an unbroken hierarchy of authority descending from the Apostles.

Protestant ministers have NOT kept to the Apostolic faith - their predecessors broke definitively with the critical beliefs as well as the hierarchies of the Apostolic churches (Catholic and Orthodox) - and therefore don’t have valid Holy Orders or valid Apostolic succession, or the authority or power to consecrate bread and wine.
 
bpbasilphx said:
For the most part, Protestants do NOT believe that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of our Lord.

That’s one reason.

For another reason, NO Protestant minister stands in the Apostolic Succession. (In fact, this is another teaching Protestants reject.) Only such Priests and Bishops aare given the charism (foir lack of a better word) to accomplish this.
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Says who?
 
LilyM said:
The function of consecrating bread and wine is only reserved to VALIDLY ordained priests, who receive the power and authority to do so from VALID Apostolic succession - an unbroken hierarchy of authority descending from the Apostles.

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Says who?
 
How about Luther when he consecrated the bread and wine did it turn into the body and blood?
 
Here’s a question for the earlier poster. How many Protestant churches have a tabernacle with reserved Eucharist?
How often do they offer communion?
Once in a while…once a month? Daily?
Ask them what they do after they offer communion and there is some leftover?
I already know the answer is to discard it.
So if they truly believed that the bread and wine becomes Jesus’ body and blood why isn’t it revered after the fact?

Because it’s done only as a memorial…not the real genuine article of Jesus’ body and blood.
 
It’s sad that they can’t, but it’s the truth. Not only do they not believe. If they do they allow you to believe depending on where you worship. But this is impossible since the men and/or women do not have valid holy orders, a funny terms used for becoming an apostolically concecrated priest. Check out where Paul talks to Timothy warning him against laying on holy hands to quickly. The early church fathers most definitely beleived in the Eucharist as the real presence of of Christ. Those that rejected it were strongly rebuked.
 
stbruno said:
Here’s a question for the earlier poster. How many Protestant churches have a tabernacle with reserved Eucharist?
How often do they offer communion?
Once in a while…once a month? Daily?
Ask them what they do after they offer communion?
I already know the answer is to discard it.
So if they truly believed that the bread and wine becomes Jesus’ body and blood why isn’t it revered after the fact?

Because it’s done only as a memorial…not the real genuine article of Jesus’ body and blood.
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So you cant answer the question.
An attempt to change the subject.
 
vocatio said:
It’s sad that they can’t, but it’s the truth. Not only do they not believe. If they do they allow you to believe depending on where you worship. But this is impossible since the men and/or women do not have valid holy orders, a funny terms used for becoming an apostolically concecrated priest. Check out where Paul talks to Timothy warning him against laying on holy hands to quickly. The early church fathers most definitely beleived in the Eucharist as the real presence of of Christ. Those that rejected it were strongly rebuked.
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So did Luter.
 
Hisalone said:
How about Luther when he consecrated the bread and wine did it turn into the body and blood?
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Before he broke with Rome, assuming he believed in transubstantiation (or at least didn’t deny it) and intended to do as the Catholic and Orthodox churches do when they consecrate, then yes.

At the point where he ceased to believe and ceased to be in communion with the Apostolic churches then no.
 
No, I did answer the question…Protestant ministers do not do consecration because in order to consecrate as suggested posters said…there has to be valid ordination with direct succession from Christ, through His apostles…and their action must be a firm belief, not a hope…a firm belief in the transubstantiation of the bread and wine to Christ’s body and blood. Not an act of a memorial.
 
LilyM said:
Before he broke with Rome, assuming he believed in transubstantiation (or at least didn’t deny it) and intended to do as the Catholic and Orthodox churches do when they consecrate, then yes.

At the point where he ceased to believe and ceased to be in communion with the Apostolic churches then no.
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If he remained in Communion with Christ?
 
stbruno said:
No, I did answer the question…Protestant ministers do not do consecration because in order to consecrate as suggested posters said…there has to be valid ordination with direct succession from Christ, through His apostles…and their action must be a firm belief, not a hope…a firm belief in the transubstantiation of the bread and wine to Christ’s body and blood. Not an act of a memorial.
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Why?
 
LilyM said:
The Apostolic churches ARE Christ’s body. You can’t put yourself deliberately out of communion with them as he did and remain in communion with Him.
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His choice was believe the bible or agree with the pope. He did not deliberately take himself out.
All born again churces which the Holy Spirit dwells are Christs body.
 
Hisalone said:
His choice was believe the bible or agree with the pope. He did not deliberately take himself out.
All born again churces which the Holy Spirit dwells are Christs body.
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There isn’t a contradiction between believing the Bible and believing the Pope (or Church) - we are told IN the Bible that it is the Church that is the pillar and bulwark of truth, and we are told NOT to privately interpret the Bible, AND we are told to take all disputes (including theological ones) to the Church for resolution. Luther must have read this, so he was in error to see things in terms of a contradiction, and in error to not rely on Christ’s promise to preserve the Church against the gates of Hell. He had no need or authority to take himself out of communion with it.

And ALL churches THINK they are born again and all THINK the Holy Spirit dwells in them. Yet the Protestant denominations not only teach contradictory things from each other - they teach contradiction even within the one denomination (eg the Episcopalians) and even on essential issues like the reality of the Resurrection, the nature of the Eucharist and so on.

Clearly there is only ONE truth about Christ’s Resurrection (either it really and literally happened or it didn’t) and ONE truth about the nature of the Eucharist (either it IS literally, transubstantially as we Catholics say, His body and blood and NOT bread and wine, or it is something else), ONE truth about homosexuality or artificial birth control (either they are wrong or not).

To pretend that people who believe so many different things on these issues can be part of His ONE body or privy to His ONE truth is ludicrous. God is not, neither is the Holy Spirit, the author of the confusion we see in the Protestant Churches. It is, however, the author of the consistent 2,000 year teachings of the Catholic.
 
Hisalone,
Let me try to explain it in a different manner. You have a tree, shurb, vine etc. There is a main part or stem that goes into the ground, from that are the main trunks or branches, from that go out into smaller trunks or branches. Then for whatever reason a part is separated. Their are a couple of ways to deal with that separation. You could try and replant it, hoping it will take root. Another way is to discard it. If it takes root and grows it still the same part of the main plant, but not together. Now, if it doesn’t take root, and starts to die by the sap drying up.It will still have the same characteristics of the main plant, but it’s losing color the leaves are changing. Then it has to be discarded. Because it has no life within.
So when a group or an individual cuts themselves away from the One True (Catholic) Church. They wither up and die. They lose the strength, support and protection of the main body. Their spirituality is altered. I hope I this explanation is satisifactory. I think I might’ve, explained better face to face. Oh, well I tried.
 
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