Why cant Protestant ministers consecrate the bread to

[tundramom]

Hi Hisalone,
If you are still reading this thread, I’d like to ask you a question:

Do you, yourself, believe in Transubstantiation?

in Christ
Steph

 

[CatsAndDogs]

the body of Jesus and the wine to the blood of Jesus?
I see nowhere in the rules that it cant be done

A protestant can say he can do anything he likes.

YOU can say you can consecrate the body and blood.

But you can’t. End of question. Have a nice day eating only bread and drinking only wine. The Body and Blood of Christ is only available from a Catholic Priest, regardless of what you’d like.

If YOUR “bread and wine” is just as good as OUR “Body and Blood” why are you annoyed about us having ours and you having yours as we each do it?

 

[jay29]

A protestant can say he can do anything he likes.

YOU can say you can consecrate the body and blood.

But you can’t. End of question. Have a nice day eating only bread and drinking only wine. The Body and Blood of Christ is only available from a Catholic Priest, regardless of what you’d like.

If YOUR “bread and wine” is just as good as OUR “Body and Blood” why are you annoyed about us having ours and you having yours as we each do it?

Don’t forget the Orthodox!

 

[SIA]

SIA;3820441:

Sales Pitch? Obvious reasons? Is that all you can say

Sia, get thee behind us Satan evil is the cup thy offer drink thine own poison.

Obviously you are not here to learn although Jesus is doing his best to bring you back home (Catholic Church) then again we all have our own free will.

Jesus Christ spoke well of YOU when he said “The gates of hell will not prevail against it.”.

Sia, try all you can with your “Sales Piches” against it, The Catholic Church, it will get you no where.

Ufamtobie

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[SIA]

mangy dog;3821314:

I am certain that in his soul he was a Catholic. Just not in communion with Rome.

Thank you for the blessing.

GKC

exactly.

 

[SIA]

GKC;3821241:

I believe that is the reason he has such an appeal with catholics. Maybe all he needed was a couple more years of life to come full circle. Maybe in his soul…he died a catholic…for sure he knows now.

I think you are coming around also. Anglicanus Catholicus.

God bless you.

That’s alot of speculation without any substance. I mean that respectfully. My knowing is that Lewis was a moderate Anglican that leaned more toward the high church end by his writings of the Great Divorce and such. But he always remained Anglican and Anglicans do reject the notion of Purgatory calling it a Romanish idea.

 

[GKC]

mangy dog;3821314:

That’s alot of speculation without any substance. I mean that respectfully. My knowing is that Lewis was a moderate Anglican that leaned more toward the high church end by his writings of the Great Divorce and such. But he always remained Anglican and Anglicans do reject the notion of Purgatory calling it a Romanish idea.

Keep in mind that I’m an Anglican too. And one that has collected and studied Lewis for 44 years. Lewis most certainly accepted the concept of purgation, as a process. You’ll find it most clearly in LETTERS TO MALCOM, but also in THE GREAT DIVORCE, in MERE CHRISTIANITY, and in some of his letters.

And you can find a lot of Anglicans who have the same beliefs. You’re talking to one. And do remember that the Articles are not normative for any Anglicans save (technically) ordinands of the Church of England.

Lewis was not particularly High Chrch, which is relates more to ritual than doctrine. But he did move steadily toward the Anglo-Catholic position, on purgation, auricular confesssion, male clergy and similar points.

Based on my study of him, and absent any unknowable epiphany, I doubt seriously if he would have become RC, no matter how long he lived. But he was a Catholic, none the less.

Really.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus

 

[SIA]

SIA;3822747:

Keep in mind that I’m an Anglican too. And one that has collected and studied Lewis for 44 years. Lewis most certainly accepted the concept of purgation, as a process. You’ll find it most clearly in LETTERS TO MALCOM, but also in THE GREAT DIVORCE, in MERE CHRISTIANITY, and in some of his letters.

And you can find a lot of Anglicans who have the same beliefs. You’re talking to one. And do remember that the Articles are not normative for any Anglicans save (technically) ordinands of the Church of England.

Lewis was not particularly High Chrch, which is relates more to ritual than doctrine. But he did move steadily toward the Anglo-Catholic position, on purgation, auricular confesssion, male clergy and similar points.

Based on my study of him, and absent any unknowable epiphany, I doubt seriously if he would have become RC, no matter how long he lived. But he was a Catholic, none the less.

Really.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus

you say purgation which I did note in the Great Divorce but he didn’t believe in the notion of Purgatory. Am I correct in saying that? Please correct me if not.

 

[GKC]

GKC;3822808:

you say purgation which I did note in the Great Divorce but he didn’t believe in the notion of Purgatory. Am I correct in saying that? Please correct me if not.

It is likely he did believe the purgation was an event, as opposed to a place, but since it takes place outside time/space (as all the afterlife does), it’s not really an important distinction. He does refer in a letter to Purgatory.

The traditional Anglican position (for those who accept the doctrine) is to emphasize the cleansing, not the location. I think that’s Lewis’ view. But the idea that we are cleansed/purged, the essence of the doctrine, he believed.

As do I.

GKC

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Don’t forget the Orthodox!

Go, valid Priests of every variety! Rah! Rah! Rah!
GO… PRIESTLY DUDES!

 

[SIA]

SIA;3822843:

It is likely he did believe the purgation was an event, as opposed to a place, but since it takes place outside time/space (as all the afterlife does), it’s not really an important distinction. He does refer in a letter to Purgatory.

The traditional Anglican position (for those who accept the doctrine) is to emphasize the cleansing, not the location. I think that’s Lewis’ view. But the idea that we are

cleansed/purged, the essence of the doctrine, he believed.

As do I.

GKC

thank you for the clarification

 

[GKC]

GKC;3822889:

thank you for the clarification

You are very welcome.

GKC

 

[mercygate]

mercygate;3821331:

Fair enough.

But Lewis himself was not a particularly High Anglican, making the distinction between ritual/churchmanship as “High” or “Low”, and doctrine, as Anglo-Catholic or reformed. In ritual, he remained pretty much middle of the road, never reaching the smells, bells and yells stage. But in doctrine he moved toward the Anglo-Catholic position on many points.

GKC

Yup. That he did/did not.