I believe being in Communion with God is a big deal. I’m surprised about this you said. When you are in communion with the body, there are no divisions. There is unity with God.
Wow. The same thing happened when Peter preached on the day of Pentecost.
Is it your claim that those in Communion with the Bishop of Rome are only and exclusively the Body of Christ?
You specifically mentioned universal jurisdiction a few weeks ago. But that aside, can you tell me more about the red stuff?
The practice of “close” communion allows the local parish flexibility to serve the people of God, regarding the Eucharist. When we moved here, still being ELCA, we visited the local LCMS parish because it is the only one in the county. After a brief meeting with the pastor, we were invited to receive the sacrament. I suspect House, were he to present himself at our parish, no WELS parish in the area, he would be invited to receive.
You heard wrong, as have a lot of other people.
Of course we can take responsibility. We can say, “Wow. We really blew it. If only Cajetan had understood Luther’s theology better, none of this would have happened. It’s our fault, and we’re sorry.”
I believe that the Universal Catholic church is the body of Christ which Jesus will come and return for, Yes, I believe we all take in the Eucharist and are held to the truth since the beginning, The teachings given to it, the traditions and the scriptures we are in union. That said, I believe that the Kingdom of God includes people also not in communion to the body based on their beliefs in Jesus Christ and are drawn to Jesus because of the teachings of the Church. That said, the more those teachings are subject to misinterpretation, the further away from Jesus and the body they become. I firmly believe in the mercy of God, but then I see so many who have strayed from the truth that it is worrisome.
Those, as I recall, were the issues Melanchthon brought forward. The bishops refused to ordain the evangelical (Lutheran) pastors.
The official position of the LCMS amounts to closed communion (no matter what it is called). Although pastors are allowed to commune some non-LCMS people if they feel it is needed, but it is not supposed to be the norm.
Some claim that Catholics and Lutherans are actually saying the same things about justification but with different terminology and from different approaches.
And actually, that’s the same thing in the opposite direction - sometimes put forth by some Lutherans. That won’t work either.
We already recognize him as having a primacy of honor, as understood in the early Church. I suspect infallibility would be an issue, defined as it is now, without an understanding of the vital role of a truly ecumenical council in that process.
I pray for the day we are reconciled.
Orthodoxy did not split from the true faith.
I think there is still more work left to do there. Luther called the doctrine of justification the doctrine that the Church stands or falls on. We have to get it right. I think, however, we are closer now than ever before. Speaking personally, as you know, soteriology is not so big an issue as ecclesiology.
And for that reason, I posted the quotes from Newman and Fortescue.
I thought the SSPX was in schism.
That’s bad theology from a Roman Catholic standard. As your church recognizes that the Orthodox have valid communion but still are divided.
If there is an ELCA parish down the street, that would probably be a reasonable request.
Stop praying and act.
From Newman:
The problem is in the 4th century, jurisdictions are defined, as in Nicea canon 6. The Bishop of Alexandria has the same privileges in his as the Bishop of Rome in his. It isn’t that it wasn’t discussed. It was, at Nicea.