Why Catholicism?

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Well, see, now I find that the Fourth Council gave equal rights to both the Bishops in Rome and Constantinople. That doesn’t seem to show that the Church Fathers followed universal jurisdiction, or Papal infallibility. Does it?
Fourth Council? Sorry, I am not familiar with this.

By Early Church Fathers, these would be the likes of Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Augustine, Clement of Alexandria, Ambrose, and the like.

ccel.org/fathers.html
 
Thank God for the CC, to her Truth never changes, otherwise Truth cannot be Truth at any age. according to you there is no truth but that one i believe today.

About denominations makes up the Church, coming from you who has shown no knowledge of the Truth, it is just another self made idea contrary to God. God only has one bride and not many.

Perhaps this video will help in some way.
youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV?feature=mhum#p/u/0/XcW7m6Na2_M
God Bless, I hear you.🙂
 
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Why Catholicism?

For hundreds of years - among earnest seekers of Christ’s will - a number of diverse reasons in favor, and a diverse number of reasons in opposition.

The Catholic Church is the oldest institution in history. But, old can mean senile. So, old, per se, is not necessarily a value. For nearly forever, the Catholic Church believed the Sun rotated around the Earth.

The Catholic Church was the reigning Church, in the formation of the biblical canon. Yes, but what men thought then is not always substitutional for what men think now. Scholarship shifts. Genius of antiquity is no protection from idiocy of today, and vice versa. So, no necessary merit there, either.

The Catholic Church claims inception with Peter. But, a claim does not proof make. Interpretation of what Jesus said to Peter is unsettled among biblical intellectuals. So, no go there, either.

History shows the one true Church of Christ, His Church, is manifested in a number of branches and denominations: Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox.

Each of the branches has contibuted to the whole, though each is rife with highly debatable and contentious issues.

Of course, each member of his/her branch is convinced that only he/she is enlightened.

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I had another thought Curious Seed. The bulk of your post appears to be negative towards converting to the Catholic Church, yet you say ‘History shows the one true Church of Christ, His Church, is manifested in a number of branches and denominations; Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox’. Note you included Catholic. If you truly believe all to be of the one Church, why would you put forth a negative argument against either of them?
 
The article is as much editorial as fact.
More editorial than fact.
On the claim that journeys to Catholicism are more arduous for Evangelicals than journeys to Orthodoxy, and therefore truer conversions: I’ve read several books of conversion going in various directions (Catholic to Protestant, Protestant to Catholic, Protestant and Catholic to Orthodox) and those of greatest anguish of mind and spirit are those of Catholic priests becoming Protestant. The amount of anguish and spiritual torment one experiences in the conversion process, however, is no sure indicator of the truth of the religion to which one converts.
No argument there either.

However, I do agree with the article that evangelicals that grow, through their churches, to hate Catholicism and her authoritative office, will more likely find Orthodoxy not quite as hard to swallow when looking for a truly Apostolic Church.

Simply put, they can stay mad at the pope.
 
More editorial than fact.

No argument there either.

However, I do agree with the article that evangelicals that grow, through their churches, to hate Catholicism and her authoritative office, will more likely find Orthodoxy not quite as hard to swallow when looking for a truly Apostolic Church.

Simply put, they can stay mad at the pope.
Exaclty.
 
Curious Seed,

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More editorial than fact.

No argument there either.

However, I do agree with the article that evangelicals that grow, through their churches, to hate Catholicism and her authoritative office, will more likely find Orthodoxy not quite as hard to swallow when looking for a truly Apostolic Church.

Simply put, they can stay mad at the pope.
So true! Especially those that fall into the anti-ecumenism crowd. They then have an avenue to vent their hate of the Pope.
 
Well, I have no anger against the Pope if that helps. Actually, the blatant anti-Catholicism was starting to get on my nerves, despite the fact that I’m not Catholic. Anyway, I think it’s time to stop using the internet and start visiting some Churches. I’m really not qualified yet to make a decision.
 
More editorial than fact.

No argument there either.

However, I do agree with the article that evangelicals that grow, through their churches, to hate Catholicism and her authoritative office, will more likely find Orthodoxy not quite as hard to swallow when looking for a truly Apostolic Church.

Simply put, they can stay mad at the pope.
From my own experience in talking with evangelical Christian converts to Orthodoxy (my church is full of them), I do not sense a hatred of Catholicism and her authoritative office. Sometimes Catholicism is the good-natured butt of jokes (especially when our Latin Catholic priest friend stays for coffee hour), but I don’t sense real hostility. Could be elsewhere however.
 
Well, I have no anger against the Pope if that helps. Actually, the blatant anti-Catholicism was starting to get on my nerves, despite the fact that I’m not Catholic. Anyway, I think it’s time to stop using the internet and start visiting some Churches. I’m really not qualified yet to make a decision.
You should read some books on the differences in the theology of both Churches. They really are in two different universes. The universe you’re familiar with, as a Protestant, is the Catholic one.
 
CuriousSeed:whatever youu want to believe about the CC believing that the sun rotated around the earthyou’re free to do so.The CC claims infallibility in concerns dealing with faith and morals only.All biblical scholars All christians no matter what country they resided in understood that the pope was the head and ultimate authority in the Church.Whatever name you want to go by CC,Christian church,or the only church there was only one until luther came along.(EAstern churches were still in communnion with Rome).So for 1500 yrs.with millions of biblical scholars debating the scriptures to get the truth and interpreting the scriptures as to their true meaning,enter Martin luther to straighten everything out.Everything issue that Luther had a problem with had been decided years before not by one man but by millions.
 
Please, show me anywhere in the Bible, where Jesus refers to Peter’s “Confession of Faith”.

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches are in reality one Church,. separated by the idiocy of mankind. Neither side will give an inch, they let their human pride keep them apart.

But both have full apostolic succession, both have completely valid Eucharist, both have completely valid orders, and both teach essentially the same faith. What keeps them apart is really just stupidity, stubbornness and pride.
the two churches arent separated from the Pope.Thats the main issue.Its just that the haave different cultures. Peter"Lord where else would I go?Only You have the way to eternal life" But Peter who do you say that I am?Your the Christ the only Son of the living God".
 
Also, not sure but I think that the Orthodox people believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.
We Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.
The Protestants don’t have Priests but Pastors I think, and they don’t believe in the Eucharist as we do, so they’re completely different from us.
You have that back wards, I’m afraid. The Nicene Creed recited by Catholics is “We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, with the Father and Son He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets”.

The filioque is an issue between Catholics and Orthodox because the Orthodox believe the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone.

ETA - At least that is what I understand the Orthodox to believe. I’m no expert in the matter though.
 
Here’s a question, do the Orthodox believe the bread is the body, blood, soul & divinty of Jesus? Because that’s one of the “heresies” hurled at me by someone claiming to be Orthodox. That the RCC has withheld the blood from the Faithful.
 
I’m not sure how one contends there is any issue with the Pope being the Bishop of Rome not being the Proto.

This is defined by the Council of NIcaea. Which accoridng to Benedict XVI in his 2010 “Light of the World” is not an issue with any of the Partriarchs of the Orthodox Church.

I see this topic come up now and again, but I fail to a link from any of the Partriarchs of the Orthodox Chruch which contridicts what Benedict has stated.

Now I could be wrong, I’m not an expert of Orthodoxy and am only going by what Benedict has stated and was stated at the Council of Nicaea.
 
greatest anguish to who?there are many more protestant pastor converting to Catholicm than the other way around.The reason why its harder for evangelicals to come to the Church than protestants is because they believe so firmly in their positions.Also most evangelicals make a lot more money than protestants and they tend to base the fact that they are more prosperous proves they are correct.When one is happy he generallly ceases to seek any farther. Ive never heard anyone say you have to go through torment to find the true church.
 
Hello Sidheil; It is incorrect to try and seperate the Eastern Orthodox from the Western Catholic church as being two seperate “invented” church’s, when they both maintian apostolic succession, valid holy orders, valid sacraments. The “tear” =schism that exists between “some” Orthodox communities who refuse communion to the Pope. This does not constitute a total seperation of Church’s, but a protest towards “authority”. These two remain in the body of Christ which is one. The Orthodox Church’s are more close to the Roman Catholic church than any protestant faith which seperated itself from the Pope and the Catholic faith.

As far as authority is concern; The Pope has historical support, biblical support, Apostolic Tradition support. A “Patriarch” is an ecclessiasitcal office. The Pope, bishops, priests and deacons are the only “Divine” instituted offices.

There are Eastern Orthodox Church’s that are in full communion with the Pope, some of them never left communion with the Pope since the apostles.

History records that “all” the Eastern Patriarchs in one way or another have fallen into heresie, today many of these Eastern Patriarchs remain in heresy, confirmed by the councils of Chalcedon 451 a.d, 431 a.d council which defeated the Nestorians, then again the 2nd Ecumenical council which defeated the “Iconoclast”, these church’s found in heresy seperated themselves from their other Eastern Orthodox Church’s who remained in full communion with the Pope.

In fact the see of Rome in the Pope is the only bishop that never taught heresy. The dead pope Honorius was declared a heretic 40 years after his death, but he never taught heresy, but it was proven through communication with his friends from the Eastern Church’s via letters, implied Honorius had heretical leanings, thus 40 years after his death, later Popes and councils labeled him a heretic, so as to refute the Eastern heretics who were using the 40 year old pope to support their heretical teachings, but they lost the battle in council and got excommunicated along with the letters from Honorius and others who supported these Eastern Church heretics.

There are cultural, language differences and authoritative structure. The Pope united with all the bishops world wide can refute heresies and defend the apostolic teachings against secular influences and new wind of doctrines that conflict with the apostolic revelations with its Magisterium. The Orthodox because of their “autocephalous” =independent status do not have magisterial teachings because they have no head, all of these remain independent from one another.

The Patriarch of Constantinople usurped the authority from the patriarchs from Antioch, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem this has a long history of political circumstances which the Patriarch of Constantinople gained powerful political influence from her Emperors.

Today it is incorrect to apply the magesterium united to the Pope, to be the same as the Orthodox Church’s united to the Patriarch of Constantinople this does not exist in Orthodxy. The Orthodox Churchs’ are independent from one another, some not in communion with one another as described above, these do not have a united magisterium head, so long as they refuse communion with Peter’s Chair in the Popes.

Beware of the negative (opinion) views that attack the Popes or Catholic teachings, and learn exactly the Catholic position before drawing a conclusion, you will find in doing so, not all that you heard about Catholicism is simply not the position of the Catholic Church, but a misunderstood opinion.

Peace be with you
Sidheil;7675754]Hello,
I recently came to the conclusion that I cannot be a Protestant. Too many things just don’t make any sense. So my question is, why Catholicism? I’ve been doing research, on both Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Both claim to be the “one true Church”, and both have decent support for the claim. Ditto for theology, there are differences, but both churches have credible arguments to back it up. However, I know that only one can be true. So I’m back to my question, why Catholocism?
 
I think I get you. They haven’t reached that far into the mysteries to be able to explain one way or the other if the bread alone contains the body, blood, soul & divinty? Is that what you’re getting at?
 
I think I get you. They haven’t reached that far into the mysteries to be able to explain one way or the other if the bread alone contains the body, blood, soul & divinty? Is that what you’re getting at?
Not speaking for him, but I take it as “We don’t need to define it because they are never going to be received separately.”
 
Not speaking for him, but I take it as “We don’t need to define it because they are never going to be received separately.”
I agree, that being said, how on earth can Orthodox condemn Catholics as heretics for only receiving the bread if they don’t know?
 
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