Why Christian Sexual Ethics Must Be Destroyed

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“People living in decadent civilization have a greater need for entertainment due to leisure time, extended adolescence, and the breakup of the family. But their lack of meaningful work, family engagement, and adult responsibilities leaves them less able to produce it. Instead they become children putting together pieces of stories that “Daddy” once told them while taking the credit.”

–Daniel Greenfield
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A lot of the entertainment is left-wing propaganda.
 
1Lord1Faith said:
This guy writing the article doesn’t cite a single example of what he’s talking about. He is making generalizations in order to ‘scare’ up some readership.

If the case he makes is true he should be able to give some examples. If there is something wrong with media…this web article is a good example.

Come on people, Catholic media needs higher standards than that of the secular media.
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True, he does not cite examples, but I assume you agree it would be straightforward to do so?
 
anon67074017 said:
…The United States is traveling down the road of leftism.
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I’m no leftist, but people have limited (political) options. The quality of political (and economic, and social) argument coming from the other side may be part of the problem.
 
mikekle said:
… I truly believe at some point, christianity will be illegal in the US and probably many other nations too (but not all)…
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To what end? There is no need. Anti-discrimination laws (having effect over commerce and emloyment), restraints on “hate speech”, repeal of various exemptions, uniform laws governing the operation of charities, and the like, can achieve the desired goals.
 
Solmyr said:
…Most Christians denounce the ultra-conservative teachings, .
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There are no “ultra-conservative” teachings. Teachings opposing adultery, fornication, abortion, contraception, polygamy and masturbation have been around for centuries. Modern society has simply been picking and choosing what it prefers. If the above teachings are “ultra-conservative”, then so is the entire faith. As an atheist, that should sit quite comfortably with you.
 
Rau said:
There are no “ultra-conservative” teachings. Teachings opposing adultery, fornication, abortion, contraception, polygamy and masturbation have been around for centuries. Modern society has simply been picking and choosing what it prefers. If the above teachings are “ultra-conservative”, then so is the entire faith. As an atheist, that should sit quite comfortably with you.
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Actually, it is not only the duration of an idea makes it “ultra-conservative”. It is more complicated than that. All those teachings you enumerated were “revolutionary” when they were first uttered. No system outside Christianity ever embraced such puritanical ideas. Today more people than ever reject these ideas, while happily accepting other tenets of Christianity. Maybe you would call them heretics who only subscribe to a watered-down variety of your faith.

But if you don’t like the phrase “ultra-conservative” because of lengthy time implication of it, we can call it “ultra-orthodox”. How about that as a compromise?

Be as it may, those ideas steadily lose ground. More and more Catholics see nothing wrong with contraception, IVF, masturbation, cohabitation or fornication, etc… (adultery should be a different matter, since breaking contracts is not in the same ballpark).

But the existence of the church is not “threatened” by outside forces. If there is any threat, it comes from the lowering attendance and decreasing acceptance of the “super-orthodox” concepts.
 
Solmyr said:
But if you don’t like the phrase “ultra-conservative” because of lengthy time implication of it, we can call it “ultra-orthodox”. How about that as a compromise?
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IVF is new and thus declaring it immoral is new. All the rest were first uttered millennia ago and taught consistently since.

I am happy if you refer to these teachings as “Catholic”. 😉
 
Secularists try to instill their “values” but there is little redeeming aspects to secular “values.”

I just watched a video about marriage “equality” at Vanderbilt and one student accused the speaker of imposing his “doctrinal religious beliefs” if one thinks marriage is solely between one man & one woman, but gave no issue to the expansion and saw it has neutral.
 
Solmyr said:
Actually, it is not only the duration of an idea makes it “ultra-conservative”. It is more complicated than that. All those teachings you enumerated were “revolutionary” when they were first uttered. No system outside Christianity ever embraced such puritanical ideas. Today more people than ever reject these ideas, while happily accepting other tenets of Christianity. Maybe you would call them heretics who only subscribe to a watered-down variety of your faith.

But if you don’t like the phrase “ultra-conservative” because of lengthy time implication of it, we can call it “ultra-orthodox”. How about that as a compromise?

Be as it may, those ideas steadily lose ground. More and more Catholics see nothing wrong with contraception, IVF, masturbation, cohabitation or fornication, etc… (adultery should be a different matter, since breaking contracts is not in the same ballpark).

But the existence of the church is not “threatened” by outside forces. If there is any threat, it comes from the lowering attendance and decreasing acceptance of the “super-orthodox” concepts.
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Masturbation is not in the same ballpark either.
 
Solmyr said:
Actually, it is not only the duration of an idea makes it “ultra-conservative”. It is more complicated than that. All those teachings you enumerated were “revolutionary” when they were first uttered. No system outside Christianity ever embraced such puritanical ideas. Today more people than ever reject these ideas, while happily accepting other tenets of Christianity. Maybe you would call them heretics who only subscribe to a watered-down variety of your faith.

But if you don’t like the phrase “ultra-conservative” because of lengthy time implication of it, we can call it “ultra-orthodox”. How about that as a compromise?

Be as it may, those ideas steadily lose ground. More and more Catholics see nothing wrong with contraception, IVF, masturbation, cohabitation or fornication, etc… (adultery should be a different matter, since breaking contracts is not in the same ballpark).

But the existence of the church is not “threatened” by outside forces. If there is any threat, it comes from the lowering attendance and decreasing acceptance of the “super-orthodox” concepts.
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Super Orthodox? This happened yesterday? It was a gradual, 40 year long plan to desensitize us, to include more and more depictions of immorality, especially sexual immorality in the media, and the "good without God’ concept.

No, I watched it happen in real time. It was a slow, gradual series of transitions bolstered by a little bad then a little more and then a little more bad in the media. It was marketed like a product.

amazon.com/Marketing-Evil-Pseudo-Experts-Corruption-Disguised/dp/1581824599

Ed
 
anon67074017 said:
Masturbation is not in the same ballpark either.
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“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men” 1 Corinthians 6:9 NIV

“Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 NIV

Masturbation:

catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/masturbation-mortal-sin.html

Ed
 
Rau said:
To what end? There is no need. Anti-discrimination laws (having effect over commerce and emloyment), restraints on “hate speech”, repeal of various exemptions, uniform laws governing the operation of charities, and the like, can achieve the desired goals.
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Well, I was mainly referring to the end times or near it, when the powers that be feels its better to get as far away from religion and God as possible.

I have said before, I think the ‘deception’ will be a part of this, I think at some point in the future, (near to the end times), science is going to make a major discovery and on the surface, it will appear to contradict with religious versions of history and beliefs, and they will come to feel, everyone has been worshiping the wrong thing all these years and we should not hold stock in the bible anymore as a result, this could lead to religion in general being outlawed, since majority of folks will now think it was all wrong (or just a big story).

But the truly faithful will recognize this deception and not be fooled.

But thats another topic entirely.
 
edwest2 said:
“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men” 1 Corinthians 6:9 NIV

“Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 NIV

Masturbation:

catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/masturbation-mortal-sin.html

Ed
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I am not denying the Church teaching on masturbation. I am just saying the issue is not as controversial or politicized as the other ones.
 
anon67074017 said:
It is the goal of the New World Order to destroy Christian morality. They want it replaced with secular morality. The New World Order created communism to carry out this goal. Communism calls for the striking down of the old order. They want to replace it with a leftist utopia without God.
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I had to check the date on this post. It seems like it was inadvertently slipped in the from the 60s.
Rau said:
There are no “ultra-conservative” teachings. Teachings opposing adultery, fornication, abortion, contraception, polygamy and masturbation have been around for centuries. Modern society has simply been picking and choosing what it prefers. If the above teachings are “ultra-conservative”, then so is the entire faith. As an atheist, that should sit quite comfortably with you.
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All those teachings that have been around for centuries that you are so keen on maintaining and you didn’t name one that wasn’t associated with the one subject that seems to be in the forefront of any Catholics mindset.

I have to break it to you that you are not in the middle of some left-wing, media led, secular war against all you hold dear. If you complain loudly enough about any given position (say SSM), then you will be shouted down. Otherwise, the vast majority of people simply aren’t interested in what you say or what you believe.

You aren’t being attacked. You are being ignored.
 
Bradski said:
I had to check the date on this post. It seems like it was inadvertently slipped in the from the 60s.
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I do not think that many people knew about the Illuminati New World Order in the 60s.
 
Rau said:
Right, like all Christian teachings. That was my point! 😉
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But the Christian teachings do not form a monolithical complex. Many of them come from a secular background, and most of those certainly endure the test of time. Others are specific to Christianity, and many of those are still accepted by the believers. But some of them are definitely discarded by a very large percentage of the Christians. These are the ones I like to call ultra-orthodox, and they usually pertain to the sexual teachings of the church. You are most welcome to offer a different label for them. 🙂

People realize that these teachings are questionable on fully rational ground, so they discard them. You are free to call them heretics, or Cafeteria Catholics or maybe Catholics in name only. The point is that they consider themselves Catholics. Since the church does not excommunicate them, they rightfully wear the label: “Catholics”. You are free to start a grass-roots campaign and petition the Vatican to excommunicate these “heretics”, and clean the pews from these dissenters. I would love to see the result of such an effort.

As Bradski wisely said, there is no external effort (by the “librul” media) to “destroy” your sexual “ethics”, it is simply being ignored, and not just by the outsiders, but a very large percentage of the Catholics, too.
 
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