Why did Christ have to Die

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Years ago I read that God had to die in order to break His treaty with Abraham. (Gen. 15:9-21, and Jer. 34:17-20). In order for God to establish His Church on earth with Gentiles, He had to break that treaty. Someone has asked me why He had to DIE to save us, and these passage do answer the part about the requirement of God’s “death”. Can I use these passages in Genesis and Jeremiah to my answer to support the need for His death?
 
The price for sin is death. We’re all the reason Christ had to die since we are all sinners.
 
It wasn’t Death that was the payment for sin, it was the total, absolute & unreserved self giving of Jesus, which only He could achieve. That it involved Him having to die by the shameful death of the Cross is so He could embrace the whole of human experience in His sufferings - injustice, torture, pain, humiliation, blood=loss, feelings of abandonment, and so on to death & the grave. Thus his generosity, the magnitude of His love.
 
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Years ago I read that God had to die in order to break His treaty with Abraham. (Gen. 15:9-21, and Jer. 34:17-20). In order for God to establish His Church on earth with Gentiles, He had to break that treaty. Someone has asked me why He had to DIE to save us, and these passage do answer the part about the requirement of God’s “death”. Can I use these passages in Genesis and Jeremiah to my answer to support the need for His death?
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Christ died for the redemption of our sins. That is why when we sin, we go to confession & receive absolution & forgiveness. God in his infinite mercy & love welcomes us back no matter what our sin.
 
souldancing said:
Yeahhh, but why was death the payment for sin?
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To remind us through the Resurrection that there is life beyond death, that there is more to life than just the visible, that there is an everlasting life. How else would we foolish humans understand this?
 
tawny said:
Christ died for the redemption of our sins. That is why when we sin, we go to confession & receive absolution & forgiveness. God in his infinite mercy & love welcomes us back no matter what our sin.
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and to add to this he was not forced at all to do this! Because of HIS LOVE for the world, i.e. all of us… HE Chose to do this!
 
The obedience of Jesus atoned for the disobedience of Adam.
The obedience of Jesus reconciled Adam’s shattering of humanity’s relationship with Divinity.
As the first human, all humankind is in Adam “as one body of one man.”
God did not abandon humankind.

Romans 5: 12-21
Genesis 3: 15
John 3: 16
*Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, *paragraphs 374-379; 385-389; 396-411; 1730-1732.

Links to the Catechism

usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/

scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
 
grannymh said:
The obedience of Jesus atoned for the disobedience of Adam.
The obedience of Jesus reconciled Adam’s shattering of humanity’s relationship with Divinity.
As the first human, all humankind is in Adam “as one body of one man.”
God did not abandon humankind.

Romans 5: 12-21
Genesis 3: 15
John 3: 16
*Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, *paragraphs 374-379; 385-389; 396-411; 1730-1732.

Links to the Catechism

usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/

scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
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A very good book on this is “The Life Of Christ” by Fulton J Sheen:thumbsup:
 
Why did Christ have to be born? How much suffering did Jesus go through to leave heaven and be born a baby? Did the “Agony in the Garden” occur in different realms and time to align?
 
Hello Soul,

Yes, the price of sin is death.
souldancing said:
Yeahhh, but why was death the payment for sin?
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If you’re in the least familiar with Scripture you know the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden when they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then death entered the world. It was such an huge sin that we’re all effected by it - Original sin. But at the same time that God punished that sin, He also promise a Redeemer, Jesus. If you read further in the Bible you’ll find the story of Moses and the giving of the Law and what we had to do to keep it, the Ten Commandments and the punishments for certain types of sins were enunciated to the Israelites so they would know that some sins are punishable by death. There was also a constant sacrifice of animals in the Tent and later in the Temple to atone for sins. This was to happen every day, a lamb died. That is why Jesus was called by St. John the Baptist, the Lamb of God, He was to be sacrificed like the animals were to atone for sins so we could be redeemed. He paid what we owed because of our sins. Death. That’s why His death is called the redeeming sacrifice of the Cross for without it our sins would remain and we’d never see Heaven. He paid our price into Heaven.

You could learn a lot about all this by checking the Catechism and looking up the Scripture passages that are noted in the footnotes.

Hope this helps.

Glenda
 
Dr. Scott Hahn has a very scholarly explanation of why Christ had to die. He has a detailed article in Letter and Spirit: Promise and Fulfillment, Vol 8, The Relationship Between the Old and New Covenants, St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology.

The short answer: 1) The Israelites broke the Sinai covenant, as you recall, when they apostasized and worshiped the golden calf. Although 3,000 people were put to death for this sin, it did not fulfill the obligation of the covenant, that the parties that broke the covenant had to die. This is the first reason that Christ had to die, to “fulfill” the covenant obligation.
  1. Christ was fulfilling scripture and establishing a new covenant “in his blood” – which means he fulfilled the role of the sacrificial victim which was put to death at the beginning of a new covenant.
There are may foreshadowings of Jesus in the Old Testament. Just as Isaac carried the wood up the mountain, where Abraham was supposed to sacrifice Isaac, so too Jesus carried the wood of his cross up to the mount of crucifixion.

For elaborations, see the book mentioned above.
 
souldancing said:
Years ago I read that God had to die in order to break His treaty with Abraham. (Gen. 15:9-21, and Jer. 34:17-20). In order for God to establish His Church on earth with Gentiles, He had to break that treaty. Someone has asked me why He had to DIE to save us, and these passage do answer the part about the requirement of God’s “death”. Can I use these passages in Genesis and Jeremiah to my answer to support the need for His death?
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  1. The covenant with Abraham and his offspring has not been revoked and is irrelevant to your OP.
  2. The church that Jesus Christ is head of is does not exclude Jews. As a matter of fact Jews were the first members of the church Jesus Christ is head of.
  3. Since Jesus Christ was murdered when he was crucified no one has been saved just because Jesus died.
    IMO your OP is a bit juvenile and does not merit much consideration. Regarding the reason why Jesus was crucified it was not known or even knowable prior to his crucifixion. 1 Cor. 2:8
 
If I may paraphrase a homily by Pope Francis:
When we go to confession, it isn’t simply a matter of our relating our sins and being forgiven.
He takes those sins upon Himself and dies on the cross for us, that we might be saved.
He does this willingly because of His love for us and His desire that we share in eternal joy with Him.
 
Aloysium said:
If I may paraphrase a homily by Pope Francis:
When we go to confession, it isn’t simply a matter of our relating our sins and being forgiven.
He takes those sins upon Himself and dies on the cross for us, that we might be saved.
He does this willingly because of His love for us and His desire that we share in eternal joy with Him.
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Won’t fly. The residual issue after Jesus crucifixion according to Him is that the world remains unilaterally guilty in regard to sin. Jn. 16:8 Since crucifying Jesus Christ is the sin of murder caused by bloodshed, Acts 7:52, it cannot be the direct benefit you are assuming it to be.
 
Thorns said:
The price for sin is death. We’re all the reason Christ had to die since we are all sinners.
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To expound more on that -

God says through His written word that, “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). This penalty for sin was revealed to the first human being when God warned Adam that’ “on the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die” (Genesis 2:17).

Since “all have sinned…” (Romans 3:23), then we are all condemned to die.

In order for us to be free from this death penalty, Jesus Christ had to die in our stead. The penalty has to be paid, and Christ paid for it.

Jesus Christ never sinned (1 Peter 2:22) and so did not incur the death penalty. He voluntarily paid the death penalty, not for His own sin, but for ours. “But God commandeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us…” (Romans 5:8-10).

The reason why Christ’s death can pay for the penalty of the sin of all of humanity is that He is our Maker (Ephesians 3:9; John 1:1-3). The life He gave was greater than the lives of all human beings combined.
 
Fuego said:
To expound more on that -

God says through His written word that, “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). This penalty for sin was revealed to the first human being when God warned Adam that’ “on the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die” (Genesis 2:17).

Since “all have sinned…” (Romans 3:23), then we are all condemned to die.

In order for us to be free from this death penalty, Jesus Christ had to die in our stead. The penalty has to be paid, and Christ paid for it.

Jesus Christ never sinned (1 Peter 2:22) and so did not incur the death penalty. He voluntarily paid the death penalty, not for His own sin, but for ours. “But God commandeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us…” (Romans 5:8-10).

The death of Jesus Christ was not in anyone’s place.

The reason why Christ’s death can pay for the penalty of the sin of all of humanity is that He is our Maker (Ephesians 3:9; John 1:1-3). The life He gave was greater than the lives of all human beings combined.
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souldancing said:
Years ago I read that God had to die in order to break His treaty with Abraham. (Gen. 15:9-21, and Jer. 34:17-20). In order for God to establish His Church on earth with Gentiles, He had to break that treaty. Someone has asked me why He had to DIE to save us, and these passage do answer the part about the requirement of God’s “death”. Can I use these passages in Genesis and Jeremiah to my answer to support the need for His death?
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Read Jeremiah 33. Also Jeremiah 31. There is no breaking the treaty, there is however a First Amendment.
 
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