Why did god allow bad things to happen to this world of his???

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Was does other religions say about this :

I know it’s a horrible thing to even imagine never mind say it online…but it is turning people away from God…why did God not stop Hitler from his medical experiments in the holocaust. I did a research topic on it for history. And I can tell you I would not like to be doing that research topic AGAIN…it completely horrible in every factor of humanity to live on this world…some example were of his medical treatment on children was frizzing children in frizzing water to death…injecting stuff into their eyes to change the colour in them…it’s horrible to think about. But why did God say that child are closer to God that adults??? When this horrible man was doing this stuff to poor children. It would have been better if they were gassed to death than letting them died in such a manner to death some child died within days or maybe weeks dying in pain

Does God really exist??? If yes why did god let this happen to child especially…and the killing of millions of other victims including people with disabilities

Is God cruel?? He must me if he let this happen to a world of his own…

(I hope noting bad happens to me now after saying this stuff…i most think about it)
 
You’re looking at the consequences of original sin, mans first disobedience to God, and free will.

God can and does intervene in human affairs - and occasionally reminds us of His might and power. But for the most part, He lets us get on with it, for good or ill. Until Judgement day.
 
ok god allowed one human soul to kill millions of humans obliterate their life on earth oh i’m a catholic
 
Brady01 said:
Was does other religions say about this :

I know it’s a horrible thing to even imagine never mind say it online…but it is turning people away from God…why did God not stop Hitler from his medical experiments in the holocaust. I did a research topic on it for history. And I can tell you I would not like to be doing that research topic AGAIN…it completely horrible in every factor of humanity to live on this world…some example were of his medical treatment on children was frizzing children in frizzing water to death…injecting stuff into their eyes to change the colour in them…it’s horrible to think about. But why did God say that child are closer to God that adults??? When this horrible man was doing this stuff to poor children. It would have been better if they were gassed to death than letting them died in such a manner to death some child died within days or maybe weeks dying in pain

Does God really exist??? If yes why did god let this happen to child especially…and the killing of millions of other victims including people with disabilities

Is God cruel?? He must me if he let this happen to a world of his own…

(I hope noting bad happens to me now after saying this stuff…i most think about it)
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Why did God allow Himself to be beaten, spit on, flagellated, mocked, abused, and painfully nailed to the Cross?
 
Brady01 said:
Was does other religions say about this :

I know it’s a horrible thing to even imagine never mind say it online…but it is turning people away from God…why did God not stop Hitler from his medical experiments in the holocaust. I did a research topic on it for history. And I can tell you I would not like to be doing that research topic AGAIN…it completely horrible in every factor of humanity to live on this world…some example were of his medical treatment on children was frizzing children in frizzing water to death…injecting stuff into their eyes to change the colour in them…it’s horrible to think about. But why did God say that child are closer to God that adults??? When this horrible man was doing this stuff to poor children. It would have been better if they were gassed to death than letting them died in such a manner to death some child died within days or maybe weeks dying in pain

Does God really exist??? If yes why did god let this happen to child especially…and the killing of millions of other victims including people with disabilities

Is God cruel?? He must me if he let this happen to a world of his own…

(I hope noting bad happens to me now after saying this stuff…i most think about it)
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It gets worse - the Japanese vivisected some of their POWs. :eek:​

Things of this nature make talk of God extremely problematic - it means using language to mean nothing 😦 If God is a Saviour from evil, & if being gassed or vivisected is compatible with Divine Salvation, either salvation is meaningless, or it means being handed over to one’s enemies. This kind of thing manifests the wickedness of God, not God’s goodness. 😦 I would rather believe in no God, than believe that a God with the attributes Christianity gives him can exist. Those attributes leave God inexcusable. So he cannot claim lack of power, goodness, wisdom, etc. - yet these evils have occurred. Therefore, God is wicked, & wholly unworthy of worship.
 
you lack wisdom—this world is temporary and the suffering of this world will not last. Everlasting happiness in heaven awaits the faithful and the sufferings of this world are nothing compared to the joy of eternal life with Him. God brings good out of evil for those who love Him. Christ was handed over to His enemies–are we any better than our King and Savior? The gospel message is to pick up your cross and follow Him–embrace suffering as He did out of love for God and others. It is in giving your life away that you will receive life, everlasting life. Those who have suffered and were so cruelly treated are in the arms of a loving God who will wipe away all their tears–this life is but a drop in the ocean of eternity. Open your heart, mind and soul to the God of mercy who can give you ears to hear and eyes to see beyond this world to what truly matters.
 
"There are four parts to the solution to the problem of evil . First, evil is not a thing, an entity, a being. All beings are either the Creator or creatures created by the Creator. But every thing God created is good, according to Genesis. We naturally tend to picture evil as a thing—a black cloud, or a dangerous storm, or a grimacing face, or dirt. But these pictures mislead us. If God is the Creator of all things and evil is a thing, then God is the Creator of evil, and he is to blame for its existence. No, evil is not a thing but a wrong choice, or the damage done by a wrong choice. Evil is no more a positive thing than blindness is. But it is just as real. It is not a thing, but it is not an illusion.

Second, the origin of evil is not the Creator but the creature’s freely choosing sin and selfishness. Take away all sin and selfishness and you would have heaven on earth. Even the remaining physical evils would no longer rankle and embitter us. Saints endure and even embrace suffering and death as lovers embrace heroic challenges. But they do not embrace sin…"

more taken from here:

catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0019.html
 
Brady01 said:
ok god allowed one human soul to kill millions of humans obliterate their life on earth oh i’m a catholic
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One human soul didn’t do all those killings. One human soul got a lot of other humans to do the killings, and a lot of others just let them do it.

So, who is more evil? The one who probably had a mental disorder, or those who followed this sort of man?

It has happened with Stalin, Hitler, Mao, mohammed, etc.

And when you put god into the mix, as with islam, it goes on for centuries - and is still going strong.
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

It gets worse - the Japanese vivisected some of their POWs. :eek:​

Things of this nature make talk of God extremely problematic - it means using language to mean nothing 😦 If God is a Saviour from evil, & if being gassed or vivisected is compatible with Divine Salvation, either salvation is meaningless, or it means being handed over to one’s enemies. This kind of thing manifests the wickedness of God, not God’s goodness. 😦 I would rather believe in no God, than believe that a God with the attributes Christianity gives him can exist. Those attributes leave God inexcusable. So he cannot claim lack of power, goodness, wisdom, etc. - yet these evils have occurred. Therefore, God is wicked, & wholly unworthy of worship.
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You like to bash, but not go too far into depth after you just bash. What attributes?

You cannot fathom that it isn’t God doing these things but men, and women too, are chosing to either follow such ilk as Hitler (or Stalin, or Mao, or mohammed, etc) and either actively taking part in the evil deeds, or just sitting by and either excusing it, ignoring it and just plain old - doing nothing about it?

You blame man’s behavior on God. He gave us free will. If we chose to let someone with an obvious mental disorder rule over us and tell us to do evil, or ignore it, then it is our own faults.
 
I was struggling with the very same thing recently. Last night I came across Psalm 73 and it brought great comfort to me. Maybe it can do the same for you. I am glad you are having this struggle. The only way we can learn to trust God is to struggle and take that struggle to him. Take care.
 
Guyonthestreet said:
You’re looking at the consequences of original sin, mans first disobedience to God, and free will.

God can and does intervene in human affairs - and occasionally reminds us of His might and power. But for the most part, He lets us get on with it, for good or ill. Until Judgement day.
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Best answer.
 
In order to understand the Muslim perspective on suffering and other “bad things” happening in the world, one needs to first explore the much larger question of the purpose of the creation of humankind according to Islam.

The following is an excerpt from a webpage:

Why did God create mankind?

"{Remember] when your Lord extracted from the loins of Adam’s children and their descendents and made them testify [saying] : ‘Am I not your Lord?’ They said: ‘Yes, we testify to it.’ [This was] in case you say on the Day of Judgment: ‘We were unaware of this.’ Or you say: ‘It was our ancestors who worshiped others besides God and we are only their descendants. Will you then destroy us for what those liars did?’ " … The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 7, Verses 172-3

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) explained that when Allah created Adam (pbuh), He took from him a covenant at a place called Na’maan on the 9th day of the 12th month. He then extracted from Adam all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation, and spread them out before Him to take a covenant from them also. He spoke to them, face to face, making them bear witness that He was their Lord.

Consequently, every human being is responsible for belief in God, which is imprinted on each and every soul. It is based on this inborn belief that Allah defined the purpose of humankind’s creation:
"I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship" … The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 51, Verse 56

Thus, the essential purpose for which humankind was created is the worship of God and the term ‘worship’ here means not just to perform acts like prayer and fasting, but rather it means to consciously do all the things that pleases God like being kind to and helping others in need, taking care of other creations like trees and animals… and also to leave the things that He has forbidden.

However, the Almighty is not in need of human worship. He did not create human beings out of a need on His part. If not a single human worshiped God, it would not diminish His glory in any way, and if all mankind worshiped Him, it would not increase His glory in any way.

God is perfect. He alone exists without any needs. All created beings have needs. Consequently, it is humankind that needs to worship God.

The question concerning the purpose of mankind’s creation may be expanded to include the world in which they live. The question would then be, “Why did God create human beings in this world?” Again, the answer to this question can easily be found in the final revelation, Chapters al-Mulk and al-Kahf:
"[It is He] who created death and life to test which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving" … The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 67, Verse 2
"Surely I have created all that is on earth as its ornaments that I may test which of them is best in conduct." … The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 18, Verse 7

Thus, the purpose for the creation of human beings in this world is to test their conduct. This world of life and death, wealth and poverty, sickness and health, was created to sift out the righteous souls from the evil souls. The tests serve to confirm on the Day of Judgment that those going to hell deserve it and those going to paradise only got there by God’s grace.
 
hamba2han said:
In order to understand the Muslim perspective on suffering and other “bad things” happening in the world, one needs to first explore the much larger question of the purpose of the creation of humankind according to Islam.

The following is an excerpt from a webpage:

Why did God create mankind?

"{Remember] when your Lord extracted from the loins of Adam’s children and their descendents and made them testify [saying] : ‘Am I not your Lord?’ They said: ‘Yes, we testify to it.’ [This was] in case you say on the Day of Judgment: ‘We were unaware of this.’ Or you say: ‘It was our ancestors who worshiped others besides God and we are only their descendants. Will you then destroy us for what those liars did?’ " … The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 7, Verses 172-3

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) explained that when Allah created Adam (pbuh), He took from him a covenant at a place called Na’maan on the 9th day of the 12th month. He then extracted from Adam all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation, and spread them out before Him to take a covenant from them also. He spoke to them, face to face, making them bear witness that He was their Lord.

Consequently, every human being is responsible for belief in God, which is imprinted on each and every soul. It is based on this inborn belief that Allah defined the purpose of humankind’s creation:
"I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship" … The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 51, Verse 56

Thus, the essential purpose for which humankind was created is the worship of God and the term ‘worship’ here means not just to perform acts like prayer and fasting, but rather it means to consciously do all the things that pleases God like being kind to and helping others in need, taking care of other creations like trees and animals… and also to leave the things that He has forbidden.

However, the Almighty is not in need of human worship. He did not create human beings out of a need on His part. If not a single human worshiped God, it would not diminish His glory in any way, and if all mankind worshiped Him, it would not increase His glory in any way.

God is perfect. He alone exists without any needs. All created beings have needs. Consequently, it is humankind that needs to worship God.

The question concerning the purpose of mankind’s creation may be expanded to include the world in which they live. The question would then be, “Why did God create human beings in this world?” Again, the answer to this question can easily be found in the final revelation, Chapters al-Mulk and al-Kahf:
"[It is He] who created death and life to test which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving" … The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 67, Verse 2
"Surely I have created all that is on earth as its ornaments that I may test which of them is best in conduct." … The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 18, Verse 7

Thus, the purpose for the creation of human beings in this world is to test their conduct. This world of life and death, wealth and poverty, sickness and health, was created to sift out the righteous souls from the evil souls. The tests serve to confirm on the Day of Judgment that those going to hell deserve it and those going to paradise only got there by God’s grace.
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And so allah created muslim males so they can torture and kill, enslave, loot, kidnap and rape, etc others? to have continual warfare, oops I meant 'opening up the world to islam’fare?

Your speech sounds nice, but the battles that wage around this globe speaks differently of islam. And if it only applies to muslims and you are leaving that part out - well, even your fellow muslims kill more muslims than any other.
 
Everyone answers were great…however the problem is that you could have been one of them poor people that was killed under Nazi laws etc Hitler showed a different side to children. He showed love and peace to them…etc however normal German people were a scared of him at local town meeting etc when Hitler became chancellor of Germany he made children join local groups of Nazi proganda…it was a indoctrinate (brain washing them) children where teach at school to join the army to increase Germany power. Catholic priests were killed also.

why did God not stop him…i think there was 35 attemps to kill him after all none of the work :mad:. So why did god not stop the killings…why was people put on the earth ??? if that is what the were used for :eek:
 
Brady01 said:
Everyone answers were great…however the problem is that you could have been one of them poor people that was killed under Nazi laws etc Hitler showed a different side to children. He showed love and peace to them…etc however normal German people were a scared of him at local town meeting etc when Hitler became chancellor of Germany he made children join local groups of Nazi proganda…it was a indoctrinate (brain washing them) children where teach at school to join the army to increase Germany power. Catholic priests were killed also.

why did God not stop him…i think there was 35 attemps to kill him after all none of the work :mad:. So why did god not stop the killings…why was people put on the earth ??? if that is what the were used for :eek:
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Somehow, I do not think that you have really understood what I have written in my prior post.

Anyhow, to put it another way, “bad things” in all it’s forms, even the unimaginably horrific kind, was created by God in order for His creations to be tested and thereby sift out the righteous among them from the not so righteous.
 
hamba2han said:
Somehow, I do not think that you have really understood what I have written in my prior post.

Anyhow, to put it another way, “bad things” in all it’s forms, even the unimaginably horrific kind, was created by God in order for His creations to be tested and thereby sift out the righteous among them from the not so righteous.
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I totally disagree. God did not create evil to test us. Go gives us free will, and free will means that we have the potential to do evil or good. It has to be that way, because if it were not we could not love God because love requires choice (free will).

Unfortunately, many people choose evil. But God cannot just step in every time and negate our choices-- that would take away our free will, and if our free will is taken away, then we cannot truly love God, because we’d be mindless puppets of God.

Do you understand what I mean, Brady01?
 
it really gives me the feeling god is just evil and care about no one in this world…how do we know if he really exist after what Hitler done ?? 5.9 million jews died because of hitler
 
Brady01 said:
it really gives me the feeling god is just evil and care about no one in this world…how do we know if he really exist after what Hitler done ?? 5.9 million jews died because of hitler
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Did you see Post # 18?
 
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