Why did God create dinosaurs

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StAnastasia said:
Granny, could you please rephrase the above statement? I don’t follow what it is easy for you to understand.
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Those who understand the Catholic concept of free will choice will also know why it is very easy to understand why some catholics choose science over the teachings of the Catholic Church. These catholics choose what they will believe, nothing more, nothing less. These catholics are not in agreement with the teachings of Catholicism.

Blessings,
granny

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Prieldedi said:
I don’t know if man and dinosaurs coexisted. I’m not advocating that they did or didn’t.

geoformeo wrote “if dinosaurs and man coexisted, men would be eaten and eliminated.” I was commenting on this, and I said that if man had been exterminated by dinosaurs had they coexisted, the same thing happened to all land animals coexisting with dinos, based on what he wrote. That was my point.

On your comment about the lack of weapons: Hunters aren’t dumb. They hunt prey they can kill easily, like smaller animals. If man and dinos coexisted, why risk you life going after huge monsters supposed to be hundreds (maybe thousands?) of times more deadly than elephants?

Man invented the battering ram around 1,000 BC. Just to give you an idea how “recent” that was, the battering ram hadn’t been invented when Moses took his people out of Egypt (ca. 1500 BC).
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Has anyone considered that fact that if there were descendents of Adam and Eve living at the time of the dinosaurs, they would have the same spiritual powers of intellect and will that we do? In other words, these human beings had the tools of reason, self reflection, logical evaluation, and analytical thought which would aid their survival.

Has anyone considered that the descendents of Adam and Eve had the ability to migrate just as our more recent ancestors did? In other words, these human beings could make choices counter to natural instincts.

Why is the reason for God’s creating dinosaurs a bigger deal than the reason for creating us who descended from the first true, real, sole parents of the human species?

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grannymh said:
Has anyone considered that fact that if there were descendents of Adam and Eve living at the time of the dinosaurs, they would have the same spiritual powers of intellect and will that we do?
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Except that we are not the only animals on earth that exhibit intellect and will.
 
grannymh said:
Why is the reason for God’s creating dinosaurs a bigger deal than the reason for creating us who descended from the first true, real, sole parents of the human species?
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It’s not a bigger deal; it’s just the topic of this thread.
 
StAnastasia said:
Except that we are not the only animals on earth that exhibit intellect and will.
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Catholic teaching is that human beings are the only species on earth who are rational/corporeal, spirit/matter, soul/body. In other words, we are different in kind from any other created being.

It sounds as if there is confusion between sentience and the spiritual intellect and will. A lot of people are confused because they believe that the only reality is matter, physical/material. It also sounds like there is confusion between exhibit as in showing similarities and actual as in possessing intellect and will which are the defining powers of the human species.

Catholic teaching is that the supernatural does exist. Thus, the immaterial, immortal soul which is in intimate unification with human matter does exist. Catholic teaching is that intellect and will are powers of the soul.

Blessings,
granny

The quest for truth is worthy of the adventures of the journey.
 
grannymh said:
Catholic teaching is that intellect and will are powers of the soul.
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That doesn’t change the fact that extensive ethological studies show that we are not the only species on earth to exhibit intellect and will. Therefore either these other animals have some degree of “soul,” or intellect and will are not exclusively “powers of the soul.”

StAnastasia
 
I’m the the type of person that believes everything was made for a purpose. Perhaps dinosaurs did excist, but they were here for a purpose, just like us.

Maybe they did do some good while they were here. I don’t know, wasn’t there at the time. But God does tell us that everything is made for a purpose, we need too find out what this purpose was and we can guess till we are blue in the face and still not come up with a logical explanation. Only God knows. Who’s too argue with God?

Callime:thumbsup:
 
StAnastasia said:
That doesn’t change the fact that extensive ethological studies show that we are not the only species on earth to exhibit intellect and will. Therefore either these other animals have some degree of “soul,” or intellect and will are not exclusively “powers of the soul.”

StAnastasia
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Citations please. This means actual, peer reviewed, published research in world recognized journals detailing methods and materials… Also, it is important to consider human impact on animals that are around human beings.

In the meantime, the fact remains that Catholicism teaches that only the real, true, human being is created with an immaterial, immortal soul.

Humans alone are called to share, by knowledge and love, in God’s own life according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraphs 355-368.
Link: www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

Dinosaurs may be cute and smart but that does not qualify them for eternal life with God.😉

Blessings,
granny

Human life is sacred.
 
grannymh said:
Citations please. This means actual, peer reviewed, published research detailing methods and materials, which, by the way, can cause :rotfl:when compared with the abstract.
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OK Granny, you’re on. You go first, as you’re the one claiming that only humans exhibit intellect and will. When you have defended this thesis cogently, I’ll argue the antithesis.
 
Prieldedi said:
I don’t know if man and dinosaurs coexisted. I’m not advocating that they did or didn’t.

geoformeo wrote “if dinosaurs and man coexisted, men would be eaten and eliminated.” I was commenting on this, and I said that if man had been exterminated by dinosaurs had they coexisted, the same thing happened to all land animals coexisting with dinos, based on what he wrote. That was my point.
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Oh sorry, I misread. I lost my glasses when I was responding to yours and it still hurts my eyes to wear contacts so I couldn’t read well. However, I think there was at least one person here who actually advocates the whole Man-Dino Coexistence. I think I’ll just direct these types of questions to whoever it was.
Prieldedi said:
On your comment about the lack of weapons: Hunters aren’t dumb. They hunt prey they can kill easily, like smaller animals. If man and dinos coexisted, why risk you life going after huge monsters supposed to be hundreds (maybe thousands?) of times more deadly than elephants?
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Yet for the sake of arguing though, how come there aren’t any prehistoric tools made out of dino bones? I’m pretty sure that the likes of Deinonychus (with its big nasty claw) would’ve made a decent source of cutlery at the very least. Ceratopsian horns as well, would’ve been used for spears. I’ve seen no evidence of neither. Furthermore, I believe it was Philippe here who suggested that dinosaurs still existed in Roman times? Humans naturally tend to utilize everything, so wouldn’t that mean that if dinos really survived that long, we’d have more evidence of humans utilizing them? :ehh:
 
StAnastasia said:
OK Granny, you’re on. You go first, as you’re the one claiming that only humans exhibit intellect and will. When you have defended this thesis cogently, I’ll argue the antithesis.
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Correction.

Please remember that I claimed that only the human species is spirit/matter, rational/corporeal, soul and body. Man’s immaterial, immortal, spiritual soul has the powers of intellect and will.

Actually, it does not matter if one accepts Catholic doctrine because Catholic doctrine is based on Divine Revelation, not on anyone’s acceptance.

The defense of human nature, soul and body, is the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4

Blessings,
granny

Divine Revelation Trumps.
 
As to whether men lived at the same time dinosaurs did, I don’t know, but I doubt it mightily. As to whether men could could survive in a world in which dinosaurs lived, I couldn’t be sure. Manifestly, men lived with mammoths and survived; killed and ate mammoths, in fact.

But why did God create dinosaurs? I don’t know. But it’s possible He created them just because it pleased Him to do it. The biblical Genesis story makes one think He does do things just because it pleases Him to do them. We humans are a lot of trouble. No question about that. Yet it pleased God to create us. We can speculate how He thinks about such things, but we can’t really know.
 
grannymh said:
Correction. Please remember that I claimed that only the human species is spirit/matter, rational/corporeal, soul and body. Man’s immaterial, immortal, spiritual soul has the powers of intellect and will.
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Granny, you said in post # 266, “Catholic teaching is that intellect and will are powers of the soul.”

Since some non-human animals demonstrate some degree of intellect and will, it follows that either they must share some similarity of soul, or intellect and will are not in fact powers exclusively of the "soul.’
 
Having just seen Sue, the largest preserved Tyrannosaurus Rex ever discovered, at the Field Museum in Chicago —

Perhaps this dinosaur should remind us that it is not size nor power that really counts as to importance.

Rather it is our soul which shares in the life of God which makes us the pinnacle of creation. The human person is peerless.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is worthy of profound respect from the moment of conception.
 
Ridgerunner said:
As to whether men lived at the same time dinosaurs did, I don’t know, but I doubt it mightily. As to whether men could could survive in a world in which dinosaurs lived, I couldn’t be sure. Manifestly, men lived with mammoths and survived; killed and ate mammoths, in fact.
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Right, and for what it’s worth, we believe mammoths were not carnivores.
 
StAnastasia said:
I can’t imagine anyone is afraid of testing for Carbon 14. You would have to be a conspiracy theorist to think that the 100,000 biologists in the US alone are all plotting together to pretend that the world is not 6,000 years old.
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For the benefit of the layperson -

C-14 dating is widely used and accepted as reliable amongst the scientific community. The method is used on organic matter, and is reasonably accurate to about 50,000 years. How do we know it is reasonably accurate? Independent methodologies and separate lines of inquiry confirm it.
 
callime said:
I’m the the type of person that believes everything was made for a purpose. Perhaps dinosaurs did excist, but they were here for a purpose, just like us.

**Maybe they did do some good **while they were here. I don’t know, wasn’t there at the time. But God does tell us that everything is made for a purpose, we need too find out what this purpose was and we can guess till we are blue in the face and still not come up with a logical explanation. Only God knows. Who’s too argue with God?

Callime:thumbsup:
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Who is arguing with God?

He is not a poster here.
 
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