Why did God create dinosaurs

[Astrochemist]

Thank you for catching my typo.

The sentences should have read: There is nothing spiritual or immaterial in an animal. Dead they stay.

I like James Akin’s answer to this.

“If, when you’re in heaven, it’s important to you or to God that certain animals are in heaven with you, then they will be there.”

 

[StAnastasia]

I like James Akin’s answer to this. “If, when you’re in heaven, it’s important to you or to God that certain animals are in heaven with you, then they will be there.”

How does James Akin know this? Is he making it up, or is there biblical or scientific evidence to support his claim?

 

[hugh_miller]

Thank you, Hugh Miller – this is a very interesting web site. My department were asked to preview NOVA’s “Becoming Human” series and offer critique before the film was finished. We thought it good, but we made some suggestions for clarifying certain aspects of the presentation. The series has a few glitches with which professional scientists can quibble, but overall it does a good job of laying out the general outlines of human evolution.

StAnastasia

You and your fellow scientists in your department might be interested one of many clear historical archaeologically discovered depictions of dinosaurs from centuries past. This is an ancient Anasazi Petroglyph from the Havi Supai Canyon of the Grand Canyon. For details go to www.kolbecenter.org or www.dinosaurandman.org or the web site of Dennis Swift. The Smithsonian curator of 1924, Dr. Gilmore was in on this rediscovery and it was in his file notes

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[Astrochemist]

How does James Akin know this? Is he making it up, or is there biblical or scientific evidence to support his claim?

It’s obvious. If God wanted someone or something to be in heaven, she/she/it would be. If we, in heaven, desired something or someone else to be in heaven, since we cannot want wrong in heaven, that something or someone else would be in heaven.

 

[StAnastasia]

It’s obvious. If God wanted someone or something to be in heaven, she/she/it would be. If we, in heaven, desired something or someone else to be in heaven, since we cannot want wrong in heaven, that something or someone else would be in heaven.

I’m not sure what is obvious. I’m not sure what “in heaven” means. Is heaven a place? Is it a physical location? Is it in time and space? How would we know the answers to these questions?

What is the evidence to support the claim that all humans and only humans have immortal souls? Does the latter claim depend upon a pre-scientific, non-evolutionary world view?

These are fascinating questions that I’m researching for a book.

 

[StAnastasia]

You and your fellow scientists in your department might be interested one of many clear historical archaeologically discovered depictions of dinosaurs from centuries past. This is an ancient Anasazi Petroglyph from the Havi Supai Canyon of the Grand Canyon. For details go to www.kolbecenter.org or www.dinosaurandman.org or the web site of Dennis Swift. The Smithsonian curator of 1924, Dr. Gilmore was in on this rediscovery and it was in his file notes

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Hugh Miller, what is your evidence to support the claim that this depicts a dinosaur? How do we know what the Anasazi meant by this petroglyph? The scientific consensus is that dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, long before humans had evolved and long before the Anasazi ever existed.

 

[StAnastasia]

URL=“http://www.kolbecenter.org”]www.kolbecenter.org

or www.dinosaurandman.org or the web site of Dennis Swift. The Smithsonian curator of 1924, Dr. Gilmore was in on this rediscovery and it was in his file notes

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Actually that’s not a dinosaur. The Kolbe Center is a weird place – the latest cutting-edge news item is from September 2007! I guess not much happens around there.

 

[ccolley]

http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/gallery/jesus_on_raptor.jpg

http://emilypothast.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/jesus_dinosaur.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UHU7Mx0Zq.../FvpqWVCG8l4/s400/jesus_and_the_dinosaurs.jpg

I especially like the one with Jesus and the little…er…T-rex?

 

[StAnastasia]

I especially like the one with Jesus and the little…er…T-rex?

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/0/02/Jesus_on_raptor.JPG

Mark 11: 1 As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage and Bethany at the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two of his disciples, saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and just as you enter it, you will find a velociraptor tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you doing this?’ tell him, ‘The Lord needs it and will send it back here shortly.’ "

4 They went and found a velociraptor outside in the street, tied at a doorway. As they untied it, some people standing there asked, “What are you doing, untying that velociraptor?” They answered as Jesus had told them to, and the people let them go. When they brought the velociraptor to Jesus and threw their cloaks over it, he sat on it.

 

[GEddie]

Hell would be warmer and potentially more interesting than most suburbs.

Not warmer, if you mean Hell, Michigan

ICXC NIKA

 

[StAnastasia]

Not warmer, if you mean Hell, Michigan
ICXC NIKA

True!

 

[Memaw]

I like James Akin’s answer to this.

“If, when you’re in heaven, it’s important to you or to God that certain animals are in heaven with you, then they will be there.”

How does he know? he’s just wishful thinking! When we get to Heaven, I doubt very much if having our pets with us will be important except maybe in our memories. I have a question, in a family who all loves doggie the same, in Heaven, who gets the dog??? or in the case of a divorce even ??? If nobody wants doggie, what happens to it? Wouldn’t that be a bit unfair if some dogs get in and others don’t?? Kinda silly wouldn’t you say!! God Bless, Memaw

 

[grannymh]

How does he know? he’s just wishful thinking! When we get to Heaven, I doubt very much if having our pets with us will be important except maybe in our memories. I have a question, in a family who all loves doggie the same, in Heaven, who gets the dog??? or in the case of a divorce even ??? If nobody wants doggie, what happens to it? Wouldn’t that be a bit unfair if some dogs get in and others don’t?? Kinda silly wouldn’t you say!! God Bless, Memaw

Is it time to mention that doggies are the same as dinosaurs?

Both animals are intended for life on earth since they do not have an immaterial, immortal, spiritual soul. In no way, not then, not now, nor in the future will they be considered a human being.

Furthermore, God is supernatural. What could possibly usurp the Beatific Vision?

I agree with Memaw. Animals in heaven does sound “kinda silly”. Except for those who live by the philosophy of materialism.:banghead:

Blessings,
granny

Isaiah 55

 

[Schn]

That would be mathematically wrong. If a value is restricted to whole numbers, there is no rounding.

If an animal has a spiritual soul, and can procreate successfully with another animal, whether or not it has a spiritual soul, I believe the resulting animal will have a soul. Not 1/2 of a soul, or 1/3 of a soul. One soul. And so forth.

That just means you’re rounding up.

 

[StAnastasia]

How does he know? he’s just wishful thinking! When we get to Heaven, I doubt very much if having our pets with us will be important except maybe in our memories. I have a question, in a family who all loves doggie the same, in Heaven, who gets the dog??? or in the case of a divorce even ??? If nobody wants doggie, what happens to it? Wouldn’t that be a bit unfair if some dogs get in and others don’t?? Kinda silly wouldn’t you say!! God Bless, Memaw

Memaw, how does he know anything? And how do you know “doggie” is in heaven as the possession of someone, rather than because God values all of creation for its own sake? As Oxford theologian Andrew Linzey writes, “Every creature is a loved creature — or it is no creature at all. The self-giving, sacrificial love of Christ is nothing less than the showing forth, the making flesh of this sheer, incomprehensible generosity which is the indestructible grace of God.”

It’s rather arrogantly presumptuous of us to assume that only humans are worth of eternal life in God’s eyes. And God has never told us this anyway – it’s humans who have made up stories about heaven, stories that include or exclude other aspects of creation. I prefer the Pauline hope that all creation is awaiting renewal.

StAnastasia

 

[StAnastasia]

]I agree with Memaw. Animals in heaven does sound “kinda silly”.

Only to those devoid of theological imagination

 

[Prieldedi]

Prieldedi, can you give an example of scientists claim to have come to an absolute truth, or are you just making that up? I’ve never heard that claim myself, and I work with biologists, geneticists, geologists, anthropologists and paleontologists every day.

Are you making up that you work every day with all those you mention? You have asked me (twice so far I think) if I’m making up what I say, so it’s just fair that I ask you the same. My answer is no, by the way.

The “E” word.
The Piltdown Man, the Pekin Man, the Java Man, “Lucy”, Archaeopteryx…
The billions of years for the age of the Universe…

 

[spn82756]

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/0/02/Jesus_on_raptor.JPG

Mark 11: 1 As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage and Bethany at the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two of his disciples, saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and just as you enter it, you will find a velociraptor tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you doing this?’ tell him, ‘The Lord needs it and will send it back here shortly.’ "

4 They went and found a velociraptor outside in the street, tied at a doorway. As they untied it, some people standing there asked, “What are you doing, untying that velociraptor?” They answered as Jesus had told them to, and the people let them go. When they brought the velociraptor to Jesus and threw their cloaks over it, he sat on it.

That’s MY velociraptor! I want her back!

 

[spn82756]

Only to those devoid of theological imagination

OMGosh…we need you on the “are there animals in heaven” thread. I’ve tossed in the towel and unsubscribed.

 

[GEddie]

Is it time to mention that doggies are the same as dinosaurs?

Both animals are intended for life on earth since they do not have an immaterial, immortal, spiritual soul. In no way, not then, not now, nor in the future will they be considered a human being.

No one has called them human, though.

Furthermore, God is supernatural. What could possibly usurp the Beatific Vision?

I agree with Memaw. Animals in heaven does sound “kinda silly”. Except for those who live by the philosophy of materialism.:banghead:

Blessings,
granny

Isaiah 55

Materialism is no “wronger” than soulism, the idea that we are spirits or souls and that’s all that matters. We are not spirits, nor meant to be (thank GOD!!). We are alive. God likes to have beings around HIM that are alive, that’s why we can move around and breathe!

Dogs and cats may not be able to do philosophy, but they are every bit as good at being alive as you and me! That makes them valuable to GOD.

I’d say that it’s an open question whether eternal life is available to them, seeing as CHRIST said zero about that anyhow!

ICXC NIKA!