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Prieldedi
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Does it mention the effect of climate change on eggs?
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spn82756
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Now that was intelligent! But…who wants to be wrong twice?
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Prieldedi
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I wouldn’t offer a piece of cake to a rino, let alone a dino!
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Prieldedi
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No, but I understand and accept God’s nature.
John 6:46, “For no one has seen the Father except the One who comes from God; he has seen the Father.”
I’m reluctant to accept the same about evolution.
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spn82756
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And which are those. I work with several and their jobs seem perfectly safe to me and them.
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spn82756
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So…the answer is NO.
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spn82756
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Well then…perhaps as Pope Pius XII…Pope JPII…and Pope Benedict XVI accept God developed nature through a process of gradual change…then perhaps you should consider the same. I think they may have a better understanding of God than you or I.
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spn82756
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It’s too bad. The homepage for Kolbe Center left this out:
"Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism." ~ Communion and Stewardship (2002)
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spn82756
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From Communion and Stewardship
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20040723_communion-stewardship_en.html
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20040723_communion-stewardship_en.html
- According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the “Big Bang” and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5-4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens. With the development of the human brain, the nature and rate of evolution were permanently altered: with the introduction of the uniquely human factors of consciousness, intentionality, freedom and creativity, biological evolution was recast as social and cultural evolution.
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atassina
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Dear GEddie: The original point about the dinosaurs was that they couldn’t reproduce because either there were not enough males or females to maintain population stability. We not have “designer children” in some countries through the use of genetic selection and abortion. Demographers are concerned that some countries will not be able to maintain population stability and replenish themselves because the are not reproducing. Here is a link to investigate
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atassina
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I agree. All life came from a common ancestor. God created the ancestor when the world had developed a safe and nourishing environment for it to grow in. At the proper time, God created a man and a woman from whom all humans have descended.
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GEddie
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So some countries may face extinction, if true, this is a tragedy for those who are patriotic to those places, but not for human life at large. The world is still gaining population, and will be doing so for soem time. Meanwhile, the amount of energy, fresh water, and farmland is not increasing at all.
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grannymh
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Ever study Ulysses by James Joyce? The information presented makes perfect sense.
Not all dinosaurs lived across the pond.
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atassina
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GEddie: That is the point of my discussion: The world is not gaining population due to selfishness and immorality. More than thirty years ago economics and statistics professors were already concerned about the diminishing population of the world. The dinosaurs died out. So could we. Did you enjoy the video?
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grannymh
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Please note that various Popes since Peter have expressed individual opinions upon all kinds of topics including those in the scientific realm. Their personal opinions regarding scientific theories may have been correct or not. Regardless, these expressions are not considered part of the Catholic Deposit of Faith.
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Human life is sacred from the moment of conception.
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grannymh
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Please note that section 63 is an excellent example of how to distinguish between scientific opinions of high ranking Catholic clergy and actual, formal, official teachings of the Catholic Church.
For those not familiar with Catholic doctrines, the obvious clue is that section 63 deals with science. Catholic doctrines deal with faith and morals. Big difference.
The following quotation is from the end of
Communion and Stewardship: Human Persons Created in the Image of God
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“As the text developed, it was discussed at numerous meetings of the subcommission and several plenary sessions of the International Theological Commission held at Rome during the period 2000-2002. The present text was approved in forma specifica, by the written ballots of the International Theological Commission. It was then submitted to Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, the President of the Commission, who has given his permission for its publication.”
Plese note:
In section 63, there is no connection to Catholic doctrine. Do note that this particular section was quoted out of context; therefore Catholic teachings may appear in other sections since one of them appears in the complete title of the paper.
Blessings,
granny
These two websites contain TV ads about Catholicism. The first is from one of the Dioceses which is using them. The second is general information.
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Philipp
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Dear StAnastais. You got it wrong again. That statement you quote came out of a meeting of the “Bureau of Consensus” not the Pope. It perhaps is composed of a bunch of Darwinian studs who never stop to check out the evidences against their consensus. Who are they then in relationship to the Vatican?
It is very important to remember, according to what I have read, that the ITC serves in an advisory role to the Vatican and its “documents are not considered expressions of authoritative church teaching.” The document on Communion and Stewardship has to be evaluated in this context, especially since the magisterial documents that the church sites in support of the traditional Catholic doctrine of creation (such as Lateran IV and the PBC decrees of the early twentieth century) are of a higher level of authority than any ITC document. Plus modern scientific discoveries in lab and field studies support Lateran IV and the PBC decrees and negates the ITC ramblings and assumptions.
A more up to date explanation of origins for the Communion and Stewardship Consensus Bureau to consider would be the following, based on the Science of today.
(1) Your quote from the Communion and Stewardship committee:
“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously descended from a common ancestor.
(2) For the C and S committee to consider—perhaps you can e-mail them the following:
**“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously been created AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator by variation in the DNA structure of each life form. [Simul in latin meaning “at once” in English, from Latern IV, AD 1215] **
COMMENT: I think the suggested revised version would make an excellent compromise. Why? Because (a) It comes closer to what the science of genetics is telling us as the committee well knows. (b) It agrees with the first part of their claim. (c) It won’t conflict with what scripture, church doctrine and church fathers teach us about our origins.
Also it may make the first Pope, St. Peter very happy so that he will put in a good word for you when you pass on to your reward. I don’t think that he wants you to be a part of the folks who are trying to mess with his and his Master’s teachings by replacing God with Darwinism.
1 Behold this second epistle I write to you, my dearly beloved, in which I stir up by way of admonition your sincere mind: 2 That you may be mindful of those words which I told you before from the holy prophets, and of your apostles, of the precepts of the Lord and Saviour.
3 Knowing this first, that in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 Saying: Where is his promise or his coming? for since the time that the fathers slept, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God. 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of the ungodly men. [Douay Rheims version of St. Peter II.]
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Memaw
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You must think I’m a real dingbat. How in the world can you misread a poster of an ape progressing IN PICTURES, all the way up to a modern man. Believe me my children and grandchildren’s education and future does not depend on them understanding this. God Bless, Memaw
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grannymh
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In fairness, one needs to realize that many professors have offices in an ivory tower.
Thus, they are unaware of life in the trenches. Thus, it is difficult for them to understand that the real message of those posters and of the bumper stickers is that like brute animals, humans do not have or do not need spiritual souls.
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StAnastasia
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You haven’t seen gravity, and yet I’ll bet you accept that theory. You haven’t seen quantum mechanics or relativity, and you you accept that theory. You haven’t seen plate tectonics, and yet you accept that theory. Why is evolution the only scientific theory you don’t accept?
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